Selling maps before Map Making: exploit or PBEM fe

Aggie · 04-06-2003, 16:46

What do you think about the following situation:

Early in the game, when none of the civs has invented Map Making yet, it is still possible for the humans to sell each other map info.
Example: player A could pay player B to view the map that player B explored. That map (picture) can then be sent by e-mail or posted on the forum. Player A can use this info to decide upon settling on certain places or wage war vs a civ he/she didn't know the territory of.

Is this an exploit (because it's not in the spirit of the game) or is it permitted?

digger760 · 04-06-2003, 16:51

imo the rules of map making make trading maps not allowable before map-making.

On similar topic i was thinking of offering a city screen shot to a human oppenent after establishing an embassy. But this was a 4 player no AI game, so everything is fairgame for eveybody

ERIKK · 04-06-2003, 16:55

yeah

so dont do it!

anarres · 04-06-2003, 17:37

hmm, it's not as though the AI has a chance, they are the tools of the humans.

Other things can be done in diplo, why not this?

Aggie · 04-06-2003, 17:49

Exactly how I see it anarres. We can also make long peace deals and ma's before they exist. Non-agression pacts, etc...

DrAlimentado · 04-06-2003, 18:04

I think it's fine... who are you exploiting? the AI? dosen't count in PBEM imho. You are trying to beat your opponent, not the computer.

In my games I say RoP rape is allowed, spying to get a war declared, etc etc. I wouldn't do (most) of these things in a solo game but I have an entirely different outlook in pbem games

And in this case as it's a human + human deal (assuming it's 1v1) then who can complain? How can anyone else who's not playing this game tell you how you should play? It's not like it's GOTM!

WildFire · 04-06-2003, 20:29

Well, the AI already knows where everything is already so it doesnt really matter. So that raises the question on why the AI would ever want to trade maps.

ERIKK · 04-06-2003, 20:58

lets vote!
it will make Map Making obsolete...

Aggie · 04-06-2003, 21:03

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by ERIKK

lets vote!
it will make Map Making obsolete...

It won't make MM obsolete. You still need to be able to trade maps with the AI.

anarres · 04-06-2003, 21:28

Also, if either of the 2 players in a head-to-head decide not to do it there is no deal. In this case you shouldn't be able to decide what 2 people want to do in their game.

For games with more than 2 players I think they should vote between all the players to decide.

04-06-2003, 16:46	#1
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	Selling maps before Map Making: exploit or PBEM fe What do you think about the following situation: Early in the game, when none of the civs has invented Map Making yet, it is still possible for the humans to sell each other map info. Example: player A could pay player B to view the map that player B explored. That map (picture) can then be sent by e-mail or posted on the forum. Player A can use this info to decide upon settling on certain places or wage war vs a civ he/she didn't know the territory of. Is this an exploit (because it's not in the spirit of the game) or is it permitted?

04-06-2003, 17:37	#4
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	hmm, it's not as though the AI has a chance, they are the tools of the humans. Other things can be done in diplo, why not this? __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

04-06-2003, 18:04	#6
DrAlimentado Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: the cookie jar. Posts: 1,568	I think it's fine... who are you exploiting? the AI? dosen't count in PBEM imho. You are trying to beat your opponent, not the computer. In my games I say RoP rape is allowed, spying to get a war declared, etc etc. I wouldn't do (most) of these things in a solo game but I have an entirely different outlook in pbem games And in this case as it's a human + human deal (assuming it's 1v1) then who can complain? How can anyone else who's not playing this game tell you how you should play? It's not like it's GOTM! __________________ <font color=\"red\">sign up for the best game on the forum</font id=\"red\"> <font color=\"green\">My Army</font id=\"green\"> <font color=\"green\">Help my orcs to prosper</font id=\"green\"> MapTweaker Utility beta (copy/paste/resize biq files)

04-06-2003, 21:28	#10
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	Also, if either of the 2 players in a head-to-head decide not to do it there is no deal. In this case you shouldn't be able to decide what 2 people want to do in their game. For games with more than 2 players I think they should vote between all the players to decide. __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

04-06-2003, 16:51	#2
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	imo the rules of map making make trading maps not allowable before map-making. On similar topic i was thinking of offering a city screen shot to a human oppenent after establishing an embassy. But this was a 4 player no AI game, so everything is fairgame for eveybody

04-06-2003, 16:55	#3
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	yeah so dont do it!

04-06-2003, 17:49	#5
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	Exactly how I see it anarres. We can also make long peace deals and ma's before they exist. Non-agression pacts, etc...

04-06-2003, 20:29	#7
WildFire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA. Posts: 704	Well, the AI already knows where everything is already so it doesnt really matter. So that raises the question on why the AI would ever want to trade maps.

04-06-2003, 20:58	#8
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	lets vote! it will make Map Making obsolete...