Italian Football Thread!

Kingreno · 14-07-2006, 22:25

So what do you guys think of the punnishments?

Juve : Serie B, start with -30 points, loses last 2 scudetto's (titles)
Lazio : Serie B, start with -12
Fiorentina : Serie B, Start with -7
AC Milan: Last season - 44 point. Next season - 15 points. But stays in Serie A.

All teams are excluded from Europe for next season

I think Juve's screwed harder then it seems. -30 is realy too much to even compete for the serie B title, and they may even have to fear relegation. Lazio's -12 will certainly hurt them too though relegation is perhaps unlikely, same (but less) for the fiori. These 3 will have a very hard time to get back to the top. If ever.

Milan. I wonder if Berlusconi had anything to do with it. This has everything from a punishment that looks far harder tehn it actually is. - 15 points is a lot but 3 of the top 5 last year are in the Serie B now! I won't say they will be champs but I can't see them not finishing at least top 5 again. So all that it is realy is one year without European Football. Surely that hurts but Berlusconi will make up for the financial consequences...

Shabbaman · 14-07-2006, 23:43

Well, just like the cycling scandal, they just have to try a little bit harder to find something that Inter did wrong. That way they can relegate the whole Serie A to serie B, and so on.

Dell19 · 14-07-2006, 23:54

I would expect Juventus to come back after a few seasons and be challenging for titles again. They may all appeal and that might see the negative points reduced. Inter seem to be a clean side.

BCLG100 · 15-07-2006, 03:31

where does that mean AC finished last season?

Kingreno · 15-07-2006, 08:28

One spot under European football.

BCLG100 · 15-07-2006, 20:01

oh right, not that much of a worry then, they'll be easily back next year.

Darkness · 02-08-2006, 11:16

The appeals have changed the sentences quite a bit:

- Fiorentina: Remain in Serie A, but start with -19 points
- Lazio: Remain in Serie A, but start with -7 points
- Juventus: Demoted to Serie B with -17 points
- Milan: Remain in Serie A, but start with -8 points and -30 substracted of their points tally last season but getting Champions League preliminary (though UEFA will still have a say in that)

Seems to me that Milan got of cheap (Berlusconi?) and Juventus becomes the scapegoat, but then again, most evidence was specifically against Juve...

Darkness · 10-08-2006, 11:22

Juve seems to be getting hit after hit...

Zambrotta and Thuram went to Barcelona
Cannavaro and Emerson went to Real Madrid
And now Ibrahimovic goes to Internazionale...

5 starters gone, lose last years championship and demoted to serie B (where they start with -17 points). This is not a good time to be a Juventus supporter!

Shabbaman · 10-08-2006, 11:39

They're coming after Reggina now as well.

Socrates · 10-08-2006, 11:59

Did they lose 10% of their supporters as well ?

14-07-2006, 22:25	#1
Kingreno Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,270	Italian Football Thread! So what do you guys think of the punnishments? Juve : Serie B, start with -30 points, loses last 2 scudetto's (titles) Lazio : Serie B, start with -12 Fiorentina : Serie B, Start with -7 AC Milan: Last season - 44 point. Next season - 15 points. But stays in Serie A. All teams are excluded from Europe for next season I think Juve's screwed harder then it seems. -30 is realy too much to even compete for the serie B title, and they may even have to fear relegation. Lazio's -12 will certainly hurt them too though relegation is perhaps unlikely, same (but less) for the fiori. These 3 will have a very hard time to get back to the top. If ever. Milan. I wonder if Berlusconi had anything to do with it. This has everything from a punishment that looks far harder tehn it actually is. - 15 points is a lot but 3 of the top 5 last year are in the Serie B now! I won't say they will be champs but I can't see them not finishing at least top 5 again. So all that it is realy is one year without European Football. Surely that hurts but Berlusconi will make up for the financial consequences... __________________ Go ahead punk. Make my day.

14-07-2006, 23:43	#2
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	Well, just like the cycling scandal, they just have to try a little bit harder to find something that Inter did wrong. That way they can relegate the whole Serie A to serie B, and so on. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

15-07-2006, 03:31	#4
BCLG100 Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lahndan Posts: 6,220	where does that mean AC finished last season? __________________ the sooner you fall behind, the more time you\'ll have to catch up! CDZ Cup Champion!!!

15-07-2006, 08:28	#5
Kingreno Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,270	One spot under European football. __________________ Go ahead punk. Make my day.

15-07-2006, 20:01	#6
BCLG100 Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lahndan Posts: 6,220	oh right, not that much of a worry then, they'll be easily back next year. __________________ the sooner you fall behind, the more time you\'ll have to catch up! CDZ Cup Champion!!!

14-07-2006, 23:54	#3
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	I would expect Juventus to come back after a few seasons and be challenging for titles again. They may all appeal and that might see the negative points reduced. Inter seem to be a clean side.

02-08-2006, 11:16	#7
Darkness Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 4,169	The appeals have changed the sentences quite a bit: - Fiorentina: Remain in Serie A, but start with -19 points - Lazio: Remain in Serie A, but start with -7 points - Juventus: Demoted to Serie B with -17 points - Milan: Remain in Serie A, but start with -8 points and -30 substracted of their points tally last season but getting Champions League preliminary (though UEFA will still have a say in that) Seems to me that Milan got of cheap (Berlusconi?) and Juventus becomes the scapegoat, but then again, most evidence was specifically against Juve... __________________ "Death is lighter than a feather, but duty is heavier than a mountain..." - The Eye of the World

10-08-2006, 11:22	#8
Darkness Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 4,169	Juve seems to be getting hit after hit... Zambrotta and Thuram went to Barcelona Cannavaro and Emerson went to Real Madrid And now Ibrahimovic goes to Internazionale... 5 starters gone, lose last years championship and demoted to serie B (where they start with -17 points). This is not a good time to be a Juventus supporter! __________________ "Death is lighter than a feather, but duty is heavier than a mountain..." - The Eye of the World

10-08-2006, 11:39	#9
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	They're coming after Reggina now as well. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

10-08-2006, 11:59	#10
Socrates Emperor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,946	Did they lose 10% of their supporters as well ? __________________ Sent from my Debian