Culture flips in Human-Human PBEMs

Kemal · 23-08-2004, 10:47

With plenty of all human PBEMs going on at the moment, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the handling of flips by the game when playing PBEMs.

I haven't experienced losing or taking a city to or from a human via a flip in PBEM yet, but I'm very curious if it happens, and when it does how the game would handle such an occurence.
Since you can lose a city to a flip during your own "upkeep" phase (i.e. when production is added to your production queues etc), that would mean that the civ taking over such a city would actually obtain an additional city outside his or her own turn, while obtaining a city does involve decisions that need to be made by the obtaining civ (rebuff the rebels or not). It seems that this decision can never be made by the obtaining civ simply due to the fact that he is not the active player when the flip happens.

So I was wondering, does that mean the AI will handle this decision for this player (as is the case with the UN vote I believe), and does that mean your civ will always automatically accept these flips (unless in very rare circumstances), just like the AI does?

Or are the culture flips in PBEM between two human opponents simply turned off automatically during PBEM games? (I've personally never seen one happening, plenty of AI flips though)

Matrix · 23-08-2004, 11:11

For a moment I was very hopeful, but then I realized that in DDPP Nagoya (Nagoje) has flipped back to Plux. I took it back the next turn anyway, but there you go, it happens.

I can't tell you whether it's the AI choosing to take it or not, now have I ever seen the UN in action in multiplayer games, either online or PBEM. But that can easily be tested I suppose.

Plux · 23-08-2004, 11:30

Yup, I got Nagoya back for a very short while. I can't really recall how it happened, but since I am the last player in the ddpp queue, I guess the calculation takes place either in the interturn between last and first player (so it waited for all you guys to play, before I could accept), or the calculations are made between each player (so when I get to play it calculates all flipping chances). So I don't know how, but it happens (in PTW)

anarres · 23-08-2004, 11:48

Can you reload the turn Plux, to see if you got a message?

Plux · 23-08-2004, 12:03

I will have a look if I still have it when I get home tonight

digger760 · 23-08-2004, 12:14

A Human city flipped to me in a PBEM but i can't remember how it happened not sure if i still have the sav either.

Matrix · 23-08-2004, 17:09

I got the "terrible news" message. I believe flips only occur at the turn of the player who loses a city (just like it's calculating production and commerce, it's also calculating the chance of a flip), so I don't think Plux will have seen a message.

Plux · 23-08-2004, 20:16

Just checked. I didn't get any message in the turn that Nagoya flipped back to me (where it belonged

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Kemal · 23-08-2004, 20:38

Ok, thanks for the input guys, that pretty much clears things up then, I guess.

akots · 24-08-2004, 01:32

I have a couple of flips to me from another player in C3C 1.22, not to or from AI. It happened on the end of that player's turn who got the message. And I was unable to rebuff the rebels, so the city is accepted automatically and I did not get any messages.

23-08-2004, 10:47	#1
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	Culture flips in Human-Human PBEMs With plenty of all human PBEMs going on at the moment, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the handling of flips by the game when playing PBEMs. I haven't experienced losing or taking a city to or from a human via a flip in PBEM yet, but I'm very curious if it happens, and when it does how the game would handle such an occurence. Since you can lose a city to a flip during your own "upkeep" phase (i.e. when production is added to your production queues etc), that would mean that the civ taking over such a city would actually obtain an additional city outside his or her own turn, while obtaining a city does involve decisions that need to be made by the obtaining civ (rebuff the rebels or not). It seems that this decision can never be made by the obtaining civ simply due to the fact that he is not the active player when the flip happens. So I was wondering, does that mean the AI will handle this decision for this player (as is the case with the UN vote I believe), and does that mean your civ will always automatically accept these flips (unless in very rare circumstances), just like the AI does? Or are the culture flips in PBEM between two human opponents simply turned off automatically during PBEM games? (I've personally never seen one happening, plenty of AI flips though) __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

23-08-2004, 11:11	#2
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	For a moment I was very hopeful, but then I realized that in DDPP Nagoya (Nagoje) has flipped back to Plux. I took it back the next turn anyway, but there you go, it happens. I can't tell you whether it's the AI choosing to take it or not, now have I ever seen the UN in action in multiplayer games, either online or PBEM. But that can easily be tested I suppose. __________________

23-08-2004, 11:48	#4
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	Can you reload the turn Plux, to see if you got a message? __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

23-08-2004, 17:09	#7
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	I got the "terrible news" message. I believe flips only occur at the turn of the player who loses a city (just like it's calculating production and commerce, it's also calculating the chance of a flip), so I don't think Plux will have seen a message. __________________

23-08-2004, 20:38	#9
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	Ok, thanks for the input guys, that pretty much clears things up then, I guess. __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

23-08-2004, 11:30	#3
Plux King Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,213	Yup, I got Nagoya back for a very short while. I can't really recall how it happened, but since I am the last player in the ddpp queue, I guess the calculation takes place either in the interturn between last and first player (so it waited for all you guys to play, before I could accept), or the calculations are made between each player (so when I get to play it calculates all flipping chances). So I don't know how, but it happens (in PTW)

23-08-2004, 12:03	#5
Plux King Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,213	I will have a look if I still have it when I get home tonight

23-08-2004, 12:14	#6
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	A Human city flipped to me in a PBEM but i can't remember how it happened not sure if i still have the sav either.

23-08-2004, 20:16	#8
Plux King Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,213	Just checked. I didn't get any message in the turn that Nagoya flipped back to me (where it belonged )

24-08-2004, 01:32	#10
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	I have a couple of flips to me from another player in C3C 1.22, not to or from AI. It happened on the end of that player's turn who got the message. And I was unable to rebuff the rebels, so the city is accepted automatically and I did not get any messages. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)