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My first new game for a while:)
CDZ Cut the Crap
It is a Fractal Map that mauer made some slight edits to, to make sure the starts were not too uneven. Also to speed up the start we got 2 settlers, 2 warriors and a worker.
The players are.
1. Beam - Viking
2. IanDC - Inca
3. Plux - Ottoman
4. Matrix - Zulu
5. BCLG100 - Khmer
6. barbu1977 - Maya
7. Nitro - Mongolia
8. Robi D - India
9. socralynnek - Mali
10. akots - America
11. NHJ - Russia
City razing and tech trading is not allowed.
I was actually drawn to get America but Akots didn't want to play India again so soon after RtW2. Since i hadn't played with either for ages i offered a swap which he was happy to take. I figure that way i have a small favour up my sleeve for later on;).
Yep, doing a bit of diplomacy already
Anyway here is my start.
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/1075/ind4000b1ej7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
As you can see a really nice start.
Founded Robigrad on the spot. I sent the fast work to pop the hut to the north, fingers crossed i don't get a horde of barbarians pop out of it.
The sight of gold to my south is too good to pass up, since it will give a nice boost to my early research rate. Going for an early religion, then wheel and pottery to take advantage of the flood plains. I will be looking to get a second worker built once Robigrad has grown.
killercane
18-10-2008, 17:50
Why didnt you settle on PH west! You would have added the city bonus and another hill to a production machine. That capital will win you just about any war with heroic epic building a unit every turn.
Why didnt you settle on PH west! You would have added the city bonus and another hill to a production machine. That capital will win you just about any war with heroic epic building a unit every turn.
Didn't see what was behind the other hills until after i settled. The start looked good as it was.
3880 BC
Founded my second city. I took a chance their would be a food resource nearby but was out of luck with the fish and clams one away from being in the cross, but then again i would have had to wait before i got the gold mined.
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7168/ind3880b1vj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
The next thing on the agenda is to explore a bit especially to the north west. Hopefully there is another great production city to be founded there.
A number of people complained about the surrounding areas of their starting spots being poor so the game was restarted. New map and new civs too:eek:
01. Plux - Egypt
02. BCLG100 - Mongolia
03. NHJ - Arabia
04. socralynnek - Carthage
05. akots - Korea
06. Nitro - Viking
07. Matrix - England
08. Beam - Holy Roman Empire
09. barbu1977 - America
10. Robi D - Japan
11. IanDC - Sumeria
Nothing against Japan but i had just finished an epic SP game with them i have been playing the last 9 months (yeah i don't have much time) but everyone else had beaten me to claiming their civs so i'm stuck with them.
4000 BC
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7897/jpn4000b1sd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Gold right in the capital, but the stupid japs don't know how to dig yet so researching mining is an easy choice.
SW looked promising so my second settler heads there. Being the last to play i end the turn and play the next one.
3960 BC
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8125/jpn3960b1fa8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Only the one flood plain but there is crabs nearby so this will do for city 2.
Neither city will be big on commerce, but with all that food i'll be able to work those hills early, put i got some forest chops. So with all that production i'm thinking maybe i should go aggressive for a change and clear out some neighbours, afterall i'm going to need some high commerce land in the future[evil]
killercane
23-10-2008, 16:38
Wow that is an even better powerhouse. Wish you had a better draw with the civ though!
3880 BC
Had a chance to explore the area to my south, which is a small peninsular. I have a GP farm in the making with sheep, clams and fish a city radius now all i need is a high commerce site and i'm laughing.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/678/jpn3880b1ph1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I'm not going to worry about whats on the sea tiles there if there is anything else its just a bonus, so my warrior will head NW along the coast to see whats up there.
3600 BC
10 turns into the restart and i'm loving more and more what i see.
Here is a look at my known world.
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3017/jpn3600b1ail2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
After a few turn i thought i was maybe on some small to medium island after seeing water nearly everywhere but the body to the north is a lake so i'm now thinking i'm on a peninsular since there is a definate coastline to my east.
The big discovery is a 4th city site. Excuse the rough drawing but you can see it has 3 food sources and 5 hills in its radius. Along with the 3rd city site which can be a GP farm with its 3 food sources and only 1 hill, site 4 along with Robigrad and Connor City will all be great production cities.
The hollow circles are potenial site but i need to do more exploring first. If at least one of those area can be a good commerce site then i'm pretty much got a base i can set up a win from.
I told you I'm like Fox news, fair and balanced. We report, you decide. ;)
3400 BC
15 turn in and i've met my neighbours
My warrior found the cultural borders of Matrix, while a warrior of NHJ found me. Given the water surrounding me there is a good chance they are my only two neighbours.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5586/jpn3400b1wm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Gives me three options i guess, try to be friendly with both (nah, thats no fun:p), be friendly with one and kill the other or just kill both:D.
Logically i'm going to have to be friendly with one at least in the short term while i get rid of the other guy. At the very least i want to stop any chance of them teaming up to get rid of me.
Before i would have gravitated towards being friendly with Matrix but he been more aggressive of late so..... we'll see.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4334/jpn3400b2uh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Demographics are looking nice early on, 1st in GNP, 2nd in MFG. Now i'm taking a risk of being open to an early rush. Robigrad will build a worker and Connor City a settler when the work boat is done. I want to get my 4 cities established quickly so i can build my military at a good speed.
My exploring warrior will make the return trip back on the other side of the lake. The west side has two dyes and some elephants a bit further to the east. Potential for a good commerce city, but i would prefer more production to be available.
@ mauer, is there any non spoiler advice you can give me with tactics and such so i know what not to do:p
@ mauer, is there any non spoiler advice you can give me with tactics and such so i know what not to do:p
Have more pointy sticks than the other guy.
Seriously though, Nitro and Matrix are pals. Nitro was a willing vassal in the last pitboss game they were in, so......have more pointy sticks than the other guy. ;)
Have more pointy sticks than the other guy.
Seriously though, Nitro and Matrix are pals. Nitro was a willing vassal in the last pitboss game they were in, so......have more pointy sticks than the other guy. ;)
Its NHJ not nitro but then he was a willing vassel too. That still could work in my favour because why would you want to be someone vassel two games in a row.
Anyways a sent both of them a friendly (and identical) message, obama style, all spin no substance[thumbsup]. Ok in truth that 90% of pollies out there today but he is the hot topic at the moment.
3240 BC
First off a look at the two cities i do have.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1048/jpn3240b1ww5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I'll have a second worker in 4 and the worker i do have will finish the cottage in 4. I pushed the research up to 100 (after the screenies) so that brings BW due in 4. That way one worker can road the gold while the other mines any copper found in my borders.
So far i only got a reply from matrix to my messages. He say he has met two others. Depending on if NHJ is one of them that either 4 or 5 on this continent. He also tells me he has lots of desert and flood plains tiles around him so he suspects he is near the equator.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5676/jpn3240b2mg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Lastly as you can see above my exploring warrior has uncover more terrain. Putting a city 1 south of his position would give me 3 spices, pig, corn and 6 hills. Not quite the big commerece city i'm looking for but i'm not complaining, still first things first i need to beat NHJ to the spot before i start making any plans.
killercane
09-11-2008, 15:17
With the 2 corn and all the grass and the spices/incense that is a great commerce city. Whip out some cottages there!
3040 BC
I have met Plux now, so that make 3 civs in my near abroad. Also i have found NHJ's borders
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6272/jpn3040b1fz4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Given the water behind me thats too close, it makes a war very likely. That also makes the spice location a top priority now. I've approached matrix about a deal since i don't want a 2 on 1 situation against me.
On the home front, Robigrad will build a couple of warriors and start on a settler to bring the copper under my control. I'll be using some forest chops to speed up the process so i can gear up for war.
NHJ started with mysticism, but he did have to waste some turns to get a religion first. So either he'll play it safe and go for archery, or try to get BW faster. Either way, you have a small "one up" on him in war making capabilities.
Maybe get that settler on the copper and try and rush some axes at him while he probably tries to rush a settler for the spice. Just an idea.
NHJ started with mysticism, but he did have to waste some turns to get a religion first. So either he'll play it safe and go for archery, or try to get BW faster. Either way, you have a small "one up" on him in war making capabilities.
Maybe get that settler on the copper and try and rush some axes at him while he probably tries to rush a settler for the spice. Just an idea.
My only problem with letting him rush the spices is if he puts the city where i don't want it since we can't raze the damn things. Although there is enough resources there to compromise so i guess its a toss up
I do know i got BW first because my GNP dropped while researching it (meaning matrix and NHJ didn't have it). Ideally i will have horses within my borders then i can try to catch him with a chariot rush simon style, at worst keep him occupied unitl the axes arrive. I'm doing AH now so we shall see.
2840 BC
I have horses in my borders so a chariot rush is possible.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3546/jpn2840b1hq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I also decided to go for the copper first. At the end of the day the spices has many different spots to settle and have a good city and having the copper a little sooner is better.
Also NHJ has BW since he has switched to slavery. Finally i was able to get a peace deal with matrix until 1AD so i don't have to worry about a 2 on 1.
You think getting in good with Plux might be good? Just asking because the way that I would look at it is if Matrix isn't at war with NHJ or Plux by 1AD, then there's probably a good reason for that ;)
2600 BC
With a bit of time to think and a bit more info i decided to modify my plans slightly.
First off Kalemegdan was founded. I'm building a monument for the first time in a long while to get the borders to expand to get the copper in my control.
With my plans, i'm not going to rush NHJ right away. Stupid me didn't realise Saladin was protective, so that make a quick victory harder. Also there was downtime to fill in while i got the horses hooked up. So i decided to go for another settler to try and get the spices. If successful that puts NHJ under pressure to attack me. If he does so then that would open a gap for a counter attack.
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3561/jpn2600b1ly5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
@mauer. I've had further PM's with matrix and the feeling i get is he will be happy to go beyond 1AD with the peace deal. Also he doesn't think highly of Plux who apparantly double crossed him the last time they played a couple of years ago. Yes he could be putting me on but matix has always been a straight up guy in the games i've played with him.
2400 BC
I've beaten NHJ to the spices. My city will be founded next turn. I chopped a forest at Robigrad to speed up the build of a couple of archers. After that i will build some chariots.
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9273/jpn2400b1ry7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
For now its a bit cat and mouse. Don't know how NHJ will react but at least i can see his demographics graphs. So far i'm leading the power slightly.
2200 BC
Reeniville is firmly established. I am also builiding a monument there to expand the borders. This also means NHJ can't close me off without an attack. Robigrad is growing quickly and can now build units in about 4 turns.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/693/jpn2200b1cx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
My spying is finally getting results, i can see the graphs of everyone i've met. Comparing it to the demographics which are all up there for me, also show that all 4 of us are doing well on commerce.
But my main focus is NHJ and compared to him i'm ahead. Commerce is equal, but food, production and most importantly power i have a handy lead. You can see the production graph below where i'm red, NHJ is light green. The food and power ones show a similar lead.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9010/jpn2200b2gg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9646/jpn2200b3zb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
In the end this puts me in the drivers seat. I've done some maths and by turn 95 i can be in a postion to go to war with NHJ. The main reason for that length of time is just getting the copper hooked up so i can build axes. But if NHJ was to attack me in the meantime i'm confident that i can keep him at bay while counter attacking with chariots, which i'm starting to build.
2000 BC
We have hit the 50 turn mark. I have decided to take a little detour on my research and try and get a religion. After studying the number i believe i was first to masonry so if i get monotheism first too i can collect a religion for myself.
The risks from my point of view are small since i'm near the top at production. It does delay maths a bit but i'm in mo rush to chop at the moment. On the plus side having a religion will give me some extra happy faces so i can grow further. I have the food so the more tiles worked the better.
Here is a look at the latest map
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7125/jpn2000b1ud2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
As you can see near the top left Plux's border has appeared were the elephants were. This makes things a little more interesting since i will have to be a bit more careful from that side, but my main focus is still on NHJ
The good thing about the top left with those two hills is that if you can clear out those jungles, then you've got yourself a killing field. If you don't clear it out, then he's potentially covered all the way into your city.
1600BC - Turn 60
Bit of bad news to start off with, Plux beat me to the religion by a single turn. That was a big disappointment since i'm starting to get close to my happiness limit in my cities.
Having a look at my nation, i'm building some infrastructure while i can. I've also built a scout so i can finally go and explore a bit more. I have four chariots at the moment with more on the way and i'll have the copper hooked up in 3 turns.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4945/jpn1600b1vl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
In a tough call on research i opted for iron working before mathematics as some swordsman could come in handy, where as cataputs would still be a way away. You can also see matrix has planted a city towards me so another city north of Kalemegdan would have to be squeezed into the gap.
Looking at the demographics, i've slipped a bit on the GNP side of things as i expected since i'm focusing on production which i am happily number 1 by a decent margin. My power has also slipped down the rankings a bit during my infrastructure builds but i'll be pushing out more units soon. NHJ has caught up to me in the power stakes but his production is around half mine so he will have to rely on whipping in a war.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8592/jpn1600b2fe3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I did manage a nice diplomatic coup. Plux had come to me with an offer of peace until 1AD. Same as my exisiting deal with matrix as well as matrix deal with plux. However i sent Matrix an offer to cooperate in containing Plux which he was happy to be apart of. All this means i can concentrate solely on NHJ for the moment. If all goes well i can have him at least significantly cripped if not close to defeat by the time a joint operation with matrix against Plux kicks off.
If that all comes off i'll be in a good position to win the game:D
I'd say that Monarchy is a must push. It looks like your game is going like mine usually do. Starting with a lower GNP and no religion rarely works out to be good. You can say what you want to about religion, but in all the pitboss games I've had the only one I ever won I had a religion. It's not THE reason, but a major factor. Fortunately, your first "enemy" has one for you :)
1480BC Turn 63
I did say eariler i would be prepared to attack NHJ by turn 95. However if i did so the that puts the plans for Plux at risk. So i've taken a gamble and gone in early. I know i don't have the units for a total victory but if i can steal a city or two and have him on the backfoot then i can take my time finishing him off while matrix and i go after Plux. It is a big risk but if it comes off i'm in with a shot of winning.
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6497/jpn1480b1su6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
From the screenshot, 4 of my chariots have gone in. It his holy city first up. Kind of surprised he only has an archer there. Still it would be a risk to attack it with only chariots. Might just do some pillaging and assess whats behind the city next turn.
I do have two more chariots being built, but the copper is hooked up and from the next turn i'm starting on axes, maybe spears depending on what NHJ has got. Also i finish IW and found my iron just outside my borders bottom right of screen. Delayed Maths again and went for monarchy. If i'm going to be fighting 2 wars then i need more tiles being worked
killercane
23-12-2008, 03:51
1480BC Turn 63
I did say eariler i would be prepared to attack NHJ by turn 95. However if i did so the that puts the plans for Plux at risk. So i've taken a gamble and gone in early. I know i don't have the units for a total victory but if i can steal a city or two and have him on the backfoot then i can take my time finishing him off while matrix and i go after Plux. It is a big risk but if it comes off i'm in with a shot of winning.
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6497/jpn1480b1su6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
From the screenshot, 4 of my chariots have gone in. It his holy city first up. Kind of surprised he only has an archer there. Still it would be a risk to attack it with only chariots. Might just do some pillaging and assess whats behind the city next turn.
I do have two more chariots being built, but the copper is hooked up and from the next turn i'm starting on axes, maybe spears depending on what NHJ has got. Also i finish IW and found my iron just outside my borders bottom right of screen. Delayed Maths again and went for monarchy. If i'm going to be fighting 2 wars then i need more tiles being worked
4 chariots vs. 1 archer is an easy take, if he doesnt have metal. 4 v 2 is much more iffy.
1400 BC - Turn 65
The last few turns i've been left with a bit of a decision to make.
First off a look at my nation. Apart from Connor City its all military builds. Robigrad is at its happiness limit and the others are 1 pop away so monarchy can't come soon enough.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3373/jpn1400b1kr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
As for the war, i have lost a chariot, but i've been able to do some pillaging. I have discovered NHJ has metal somewhere as i can see an axe and spear and i found horses hooked up as well.
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2460/jpn1400b2za5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
All this means i have underestimated him slightly so getting on top of him will require more of an effort. And this is where it leaves me with a problem because 35 turns from now i'm suppose to be teaming up with matrix for a war with Plux.
So right now i have to make a choice, fully commit to NHJ and grind out a win there or disengage and set up for an attack on Plux together with Matrix.
I bit the bullet and offered a ceasefire and a peace deal to 500AD to NHJ, which he accepted without too much fuss.
At the end of the day i didn't want to risk the commitment i made to Matrix to attack Plux, since he could have easily turned around and come after me. Now i have plenty of time to prepare for that war, then i can come back to NHJ later on.
1200 BC - Turn 70
After the holiday pause the games back up and moving again. As i wrote last time i sign a peace treaty with NHJ so i could focus on teaming up with Matirx against Plux. With quite a few turns before my next war i figiure this is as good a time as i'll get for some infrastructure to be built
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8679/jpn1200b1lx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Robigrad and Kalemegdan are at their happiness limit, Connor City and Reeniville are one pop off so monarchy cant come soon enough.
I also noticed along the line of unexplored area to my west is a bunch of coastal tiles. From my OB with matrix i've been able to snoop around a bit more and it doesn't look like those tile are associated with our island but could be a small island off the coast or the tip of a larger island with other civs
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/158/jpn1200b2hy4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Demographics are still looking good, near the top of the tree in the main catagories.
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2964/jpn1200b3cf9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
And here is the power graph. Plux and myself are pretty much level but matrix has some work to do. With Monarchy i'll change to Hereditary rule and slavery at the same time.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4008/jpn1200b4hu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
850 BC - Turn 81
Plux has caught me by surprise. Unfortunately i had understood his peace deal incorrectly. I thought is was peace until 1AD with 10 turns notice if that was not to be continued. What it did mean was that it was 10 turns notice if it was to be ended before 1AD.
I found this out after matrix told me he got a 10 turn warning on turn 74 from Plux. And he had the same deal i did. So a few turns later i informed Plux of the same. Therefore i'll be jumping into the fray on turn 87. This means i wont have cats until after the war has started but i'll just have to make do.
Here is the stack i have assembled so far. I'm building a decent amount of spearmen to deal with his war chariots.
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6247/jpn0850b1ze2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
In the meantime NHJ has settled to claim the iron near Robigrad's border. I suppose on the plus side that one less city i have to build later on:)
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/5195/jpn0850b2fg1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Finally the Power graphs. You can see all three are going up rapidly. Matrix is still lagging but that might be a blessing in disguise as it might lure Plux into trying to land a blow on matrix before i come into the war. And if his attacking then that might leave some openings.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9879/jpn0850b3or9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
A bit has happenend over the last few turns so a double update.
650BC, turn 81
I declere war on Plux, for whom Stapel is filling in at the moment. I can see clearly into Alexandria. Big stack of war chariots in there, which arn't much good for defence so i'm thinking i might not have to wait for my cats if things stay as they are. The screenshots before i moved since Stapel is going first in the turns.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2667/jpn0650b1mq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
As you can see i've got nice production numbers in all of my cities so i wont have to rely on whipping to much. Apart from Narodna Farma all the cities are helping out the war effort.
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/5148/jpn0650b2qm1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I am a little concerned about the science rate i have to run at the moment but not much i can do about that, just hope it doesn't effect my chances against NHJ later on
625BC, turn 90
First off i find an interesting quest has come up when i log in. It not one i had before and it doesn't mention any reward for completing it. Not that i needed any more incentive to take it off NHJ
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6143/jpn0625b1zw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
This is followed by a nice surprise. Stapel has pulled all his forces out of Alexandria. While i definately had the forces to take it, it would have been a bloody battle so i'm a little surprised by that decision. Having said that i don't know how much back up he had in other places and how much pressure he is getting from Matrix. For the moment i'll hang back in my new city while the cats come up to the front line before pushing on
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8836/jpn0625b2op8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
killercane
27-01-2009, 20:17
I think you get a bunch of free swordsmen or macemen for the iron quest.
Rik Meleet
28-01-2009, 01:39
"I got another version of the Greed mission which tasked me to capture a Viking city that had iron in its radius, my "top military commanders" mentioned something about me not having access to any iron hence why they proposed the quest. The reward was seven, unupgraded swordsman which made conquering Ragnar a hell of lot easier in 800 BC."
Quoted from: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5744848&postcount=17
I like the sound of that, thanks guys:)
400 BC - Turn 99
I've finally arrived at Memphis were there is a lage Egyptian welcoming committee to greet me.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5605/jpn0400b1ml5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Call me crazy but i don't think he will pack up and leave this time. A really odd thing is that so far i have not seen any archers or catapults from stapels side. I don't know if he is hiding them or even why he would bother too, or if its a case he doesn't have any. In which case i would be shocked that he hasn't researched them. I'd be happy if that was the case since it would make the job just a little easier.
The next move is his, and given the firepower in the city he'll probably launch an attack at some stage while i bombard the cities defences down to 0%. As we stand now there isn't much between us in overall power so this is shaping up to be a key battle. A bad turn of RNG could turn the battle one way or the other.
And to end this update a quick look at the home front
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/789/jpn0400b2qq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Rik Meleet
03-02-2009, 18:38
(..)Call me crazy but i don't think he will pack up and leave this time. A really odd thing is that so far i have not seen any archers or catapults from stapels side. I don't know if he is hiding them or even why he would bother too, or if its a case he doesn't have any. In which case i would be shocked that he hasn't researched them. I'd be happy if that was the case since it would make the job just a little easier.(..) Look closer at the picture - there are 3 archers there ...
Look closer at the picture - there are 3 archers there ...
:o
well umm, yeah there they are.
350 BC - Turn 101
Looks like he does have catapults afterall. I've moved the stack accross the river to give myself a defensive bonus while i take down his city defenses. I have some more catapults on the way so i can do aS\s much collateral damage as possible
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1655/jpn0350b1wq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
325BC - Turn 102
I just want to cry, or hit something, bit of both really
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3589/jpn0325b1bo8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I lost my entire attacking stack all 20 something units. From the combat log he lost only 3. Haven't had the heart to view the battle results but judging by the end result i got screwed by the rng to some extent.
Anyway my game plans are in tatters. I'm going to have to find a decent plan B. The only comfort in all of this is that most of his units are nearly dead, so a quick counter attack is out of the question. Matrix also tells me his offensive has stalled.
At least your further from him. If he can break out, then Matrix is likely to take the brunt of it.....for now. Just hope the Arabs don't get involved, seeking vengeance and what not.
At least your further from him. If he can break out, then Matrix is likely to take the brunt of it.....for now. Just hope the Arabs don't get involved, seeking vengeance and what not.
They are out of my way until 500AD plus Matrix has agreed to help me there as well.:)
250 BC - Turn 105
The rebuilding of my army is well under way. I'm not making the same mistake twice, it'll have plenty of cats so i'm not hanging around the outside of any cities.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/903/jpn0250b1qk3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5629/jpn0250b2hl9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I guess the one bonus is i've been able to up the science rate a bit, but its nowhere near ideal.
Now Stapel did come looking for a peace deal with me, however he was less than pleased that i wouldn't do it without the same deal for matrix. Now it up to him whether or not he wants to make an offer, but i suspect he'll want to make attempt at an offensive first.
The demographics as expected don't look great, but thats war for you
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/860/jpn0250b3xu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Darkness
10-02-2009, 11:40
Now Stapel did come looking for a peace deal with me, however he was less than pleased that i wouldn't do it without the same deal for matrix. Now it up to him whether or not he wants to make an offer, but i suspect he'll want to make attempt at an offensive first.
Stapel tends to be a very agressive player so I would be really, really surprised if he didn't attack... But I agree with Mauer, based on geography Matrix is a far more likely target.
100BC - Turn 111
Stapel has for now anyway abandoned the idea of peace. He took Hoogezand of Mstrix, then realised he couldn't raze it. He didn't really want it and pulled out again for Matrix to take it.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8884/jpn0100b1lp5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Still it was a victory for Stapel, he did a lot of damage to Matrix's forces as you can see in the graph. On the plus side Matix now has Elephants which should give Stapel some headaches. In the meantime i've been quiety building up again. I'll be looking to make my second attack soon
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8756/jpn0100b2wq8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
150AD - Turn 121
It coming to the point where i am in serious danger of wasting a really good start. A bit has happened since the last update, so i'll try to catch up as briefly as possible.
Matrix lost another city in the north and was in serious danger of being overwealmed. Stapel meanwhile was still asking me for peace.
Now as much i would have like to have gotten out of the arrangement with Matrix, a deal is a deal so it was time to look at different options.
My stack was ready for another go at Memphis although that wasn't looking useful if Matrix was going to lose all his cities. I came up with an offer that might please Stapel, but give Matrix a fighting chance. My idea was to end the war with Stapel but in exchange Matrix got my unit in Alexandria. Stapel surprising was interested in thinking it through.
I had 80% of my units there so Matrix would have had a big stack to defend himself with and it would release me of my upkeep burden, so i could have focused on geting my research back up and taking another shot at NHJ.
Stapel came pretty close to excepting but decided to decline. I still gave Maxtix 5 cats and 5 axes. Matrix did end up losing his capital but it was a costly victory for Stapel. In the meantime i got my stack replenished so it time to move on Memphis for take 2
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/570/jpn0150a1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
I'm going for Machinary next, i'll be making a beeline for maces, not that i have any other good options because i get the feeling NHJ wont wait around much after 500AD for some revenge.
I can build War Elephants now so that should help me. And while i have a good production lead over everyone on my island i've snuck in a couple of forge builds to keep it that way.
Finger crossed this attack goes better then the first, not that it could go much worse.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4241/jpn0150a2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9492/jpn0150a3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
250 AD - Turn 125
I get myself into position next to Memphis. I can see he is rushing units back to it.
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7867/jpn0250a1.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0250a1.jpg)
Turn 126
With my cats, i get through his defenses and take the city, but there are new units arriving on the scene from Stapel
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7195/jpn0275a1.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0275a1.jpg)
Turn 127
I decide to withdraw, since i've done the most damage i could at this time. Whatever buildings he had in Memphis only the granary was left standing when i took it. Also it should give Matrix an opening to take some of his land back
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5849/jpn0300a1.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0300a1.jpg)
500 AD - Turn 135
Not a lot to say except i've screwed myself pretty badly. Went for too much too soon and now i'm looking at whole lot of nothing.
Matrix is in full retreat and now NHJ has joined the war. I'm probably lucky NHJ split his forces between matrix and myself otherwise i'd be in even more trouble.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5458/jpn0500a1.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0500a1.jpg)
I've lauched a couter offensive down south at Najran, i'm really hoping finishing the quest by taking the city pays off with those free units cause i really need them
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9239/jpn0500a2.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0500a2.jpg)
The power graph really show the difficulty of the situation. Hopefully i can make my defense as solid as stapels
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3283/jpn0500a3.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0500a3.jpg)
Ideas are welcome, miracles more so
Darkness
04-03-2009, 13:15
Taking Najran and completing the quest (followed by a purely defensive war) seems to be your only realistic chance at survival. But I doubt you'll be able to do more than delay your own destruction for a while. Matrix is done for and Stapel and NHJ are smart (and powerfull) enough to eliminate you after that if they work together. That's what I would do if I was in their position, and I am sure that is what Stapel plans. Stapel is an offensively minded player. He'll be looking to eliminate you.
You could hope to create some tension between Stapel and NHJ, but I doubt it's likely you'll succeed.
So, sorry, but no good (or even halfway decent) ideas here... :(
Taking Najran and completing the quest (followed by a purely defensive war) seems to be your only realistic chance at survival. But I doubt you'll be able to do more than delay your own destruction for a while. Matrix is done for and Stapel and NHJ are smart (and powerfull) enough to eliminate you after that if they work together. That's what I would do if I was in their position, and I am sure that is what Stapel plans. Stapel is an offensively minded player. He'll be looking to eliminate you.
You could hope to create some tension between Stapel and NHJ, but I doubt it's likely you'll succeed.
So, sorry, but no good (or even halfway decent) ideas here... :(
The ideas are decent, it my situation thats not. The one mistake NHJ has made is the lack of cats in his stacks, that just might give me a chance at making it past the first wave
540 AD - Turn 137
I pounded Najran with my cats, then sent in the troops, NHJ's remaining units are all down to about half strength. Its going to be a tight call wheather i can get the city. I was annoyed that many units came out in the red zone of health when they were fighting 80+ % battles
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6153/jpn0540a1.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0540a1.jpg)
Further north, i've lost Reeniville to NHJ since i've pushed to get Najran. Hopefully the gamble pays off, then with the extra units i should be able to get Reeniville back. Staple also took Alexandria back, which i left undefended.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7976/jpn0540a2.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0540a2.jpg)
Turn 138
I got Najran under my control:D. It was a tough battle but the rng for once in my life was actually kind. There were 4 battles around the 50% mark and i won all 4. That was enough to sway the battle in my favour. But no reward, i'm guessing that will come with the change over of turns. In the meantime i whip/chop some crossbows and i get a GG.
I can see the reenforcement NHJ had coming, had i not got Najran this turn i doubt i ever would have
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1775/jpn0560a1.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0560a1.jpg)
Turn 139
My quest fulfilled and i get my reward, 5 crossbows. slightly dissapointed i have to say as i was hoping (even praying) for a larger number but beggars can't be choosers. With the other crossbows i built it time to reclaim Reeniville.
I have to say, were it not for Stapel i think i could have taken NHJ in a 1 on 1. But that my fault i didn't get that matchup. Matrix wont be lasting too many turns longer, so i'll be completely on the back foot then.
Maybe if i hold on long enough they'll get bored and give up:rolleyes:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4425/jpn0580a1.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0580a1.jpg)
Good thing for you that you've got a bunch of hills. Those could be nasty for Stapel and NHJ. Longbows anywhere in reach yet?
640AD - Turn 142
Not being one to sit around and slowly get eaten away, i was looking for an oppertunity to make a move. Anyone who has played with me (ie most of you) know i'm not shy in trying something out, even against the odds. Sometimes you just have to roll a hard six.
Then NHJ leaves his stack in my forest for two turns in row. What for? To heal probably but then wouldn't that happen faster in his own terrtory? It one thing to attack me, stampede my people and rape my cattle, but to use my forest to heal up his stack, that just an insult i wont stand for [:(!]
So here's the deal, NHJ impressive stack
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9003/jpn0640a1.jpg
And mine, but i also have the units in najran and a couple floating behind the main group
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9700/jpn0640a2.jpg
First off the cats do what they do best, one even survives. By the time the last one goes in the retreat odds are nearly 24%. Which is a good sign they did their job
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1020/jpn0640a3.jpg
Most battles go to form, although i did win a 44% one and lost two 73% battles, one of which was my GG. That stung a bit but there was no turning back. Eventually i get good odds on my horse archer, so i send him in. He wins and i do some flanking damage on the cats
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9406/jpn0640a4.jpg
The rest of the battles follow the odds and the end result of half of NHJ stack is gone, the other half badly damaged. I lost roughly 25% and arn't in great shape either. If NHJ counters on the next turn then he might be able to even out the score. Although he could play it safe and run. Maybe just maybe i might have worried him enough to do that
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/106/jpn0640a5.jpg
Just noticing here, that you guys on this continent are bottom of the barrel as far as score goes. From what I understand, you guys have also been fighting it out much more than the others. Just an observation.
Just noticing here, that you guys on this continent are bottom of the barrel as far as score goes. From what I understand, you guys have also been fighting it out much more than the others. Just an observation.
Pretty much right on the money. I've met Beam and he is way ahead on techs. So really we are fighting over who will finish further from last
680 AD - Turn 144
I managed to finish off NHJ stack completely, so that one problem dealt with, now i have a new one on my other side from Stapel
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1687/jpn0680a1.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0680a1.jpg)
I simply don't have the material to cover him at this point. Even if i got some rng luck it wouldn't make up for the sheer volume of units he has
Rik Meleet
14-03-2009, 13:43
So, it's basically over for you soon ?
Couldn't you make a deal with the only player you've met that isn't at war with you; Beam?
Darkness
14-03-2009, 15:07
So, it's basically over for you soon ?
Couldn't you make a deal with the only player you've met that isn't at war with you; Beam?
IMHO it is too late for that. Even if Beam decides to jump into the fray (and what would he gain by doing that?), given the size of Stapels stack the conflict would be pretty much over before Beam could get a substantial amount of units to Robi's/Stapels borders...
I don't think Beam cares that much. I'm not even sure he can ferry units over without astronomy.
But i'll keep fighting until i can't
780 AD - Turn 149
The situation hasn't really improved. Stapel's stack has arrived at my capital.
CS is due in 6, but thats about 15 turns too late.
On the plus side at least i'm holding my own agaist NHJ
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4661/jpn0780a1.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0780a1.jpg)
I'll miss your spoiler for this game...
Yeah, you're toast. Why don't you see if you can cut and run for NHJ's territory to raze a city or something just for giggles. I did that in the first rule the world game. When all 3 of you boners were on top of me I grabbed my stack and ran for the closest akots city just to see if I could raze it before all my other cities fell. Didn't work, but was my last bit of fun anyways.
In other news, I'd like to start on my spoiler for our PBEM. I think it's a bit late though, and I don't want to do it here.
I'll miss your spoiler for this game...
Well i'll just have to try to be less stupid next time around
Anyway here is the last screenshot that will probably come from me. Stapels taken most of the city so how long the friendliness last between him and NHJ will be interesting to follow.
My hunch is not long, they are so far behind the other island, the only real chance to catch up is to control the whole island
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7388/jpn0860a1.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpn0860a1.jpg)
So its good bye cut the crap
Rik Meleet
21-03-2009, 15:04
:(
That's it then! I just took Robi's last city. Off courdse, it's always nice to be on the winning side of a battle. But apart from that, it was very good fun anyway!
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