anarres vs. Yndy – Deity, Continents

yndy · 08-08-2003, 13:55

After several edits
General rules of engagement (I guess anarres approved this).

Rule 1: ‘No Exploits’ (as per GOTM: no scout denial; no mobilisation exploit; no gold mine exploit; no pop-rushing cities)

Rule 2: No dogpiling. We are allowed to make one MA per turn so that the other does not wake up with the entire world against him.

Rule 3: Respect initial MAs and MPPs. If you MA w. someone for 10 turns and they break it, one is not allowed to make another MA until the first one would have finished. Same goes for MPPs.

Rule 4: Always respect deals with the other human.

Rule 5: No settler creep (if it ever gets to that) as per anarres definition.

Moonsinger · 08-08-2003, 16:59

What is your definition of 'Rule 1: No Exploits'? For example, I would consider giving away free techs to scientific civs so that they discover one free tech for you is an 'exploit'.

anarres · 08-08-2003, 17:47

yndy, I normally don't play nice to the AI in PBEM's, but I am willing to give it a shot.

To do this though you must be very specific about all the exploits you want to be banned. Are pre-builds exploits for example? Some would say so since the AI can't use them.

Rules 2 and 3: I think that 20 turns is too long to respect a broken MA for. The AI will often break an MA with you agianst another AI by making peace after a few turns. I see this as them breakig the deal, so why should we respect broken MA's for 20 turns when the AI doesn't? I suggest 10 turns would be a good comprimise.

Rule 4: I have personally never broken a deal with a human. If you want to make it part of the game rules that we can't break them I am happy with that too.

Rule 5: Settler creep against the other human is something I like to agree not to do too. The way I define the rule is that you can't abandon a city and in the same turn build a city in one of the surrounding 8 tiles. I see nothing wrong with rebuilding on the same spot (to avoid flips). If you want to ban settler creep against the AI too then that is also OK.

yndy · 08-08-2003, 17:59

anarres, I'm OK with 10 turns but only as a special favor for you. It's against the humans that I want you to be gentle. I take it that Rule 2 is OK.

I have seen your comments about exploits on CFC and I think we have similar views on that.

Is there any specific set of rules that you want to enforce?

anarres · 09-08-2003, 14:37

yndy, please list the GOTM exploits here, so as to be sure.

yndy · 10-08-2003, 05:02

I added the GOTM ones.

anarres · 11-08-2003, 17:36

You da man. Now, all other nasty behaviour is OK?

yndy · 12-08-2003, 06:55

Well, … yes. (already regretting)

yndy · 14-08-2003, 09:20

OK, guys spit it out.

What's with 21 messages on the annares vs yndy spoiler thread?

I have only one line to write for my spoilers.

ERIKK · 14-08-2003, 09:27

We are discussing the best ways to kill you....

One line..., anarres has a lot more to tell us...

08-08-2003, 13:55	#1
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	anarres vs. Yndy – Deity, Continents After several edits General rules of engagement (I guess anarres approved this). Rule 1: ‘No Exploits’ (as per GOTM: no scout denial; no mobilisation exploit; no gold mine exploit; no pop-rushing cities) Rule 2: No dogpiling. We are allowed to make one MA per turn so that the other does not wake up with the entire world against him. Rule 3: Respect initial MAs and MPPs. If you MA w. someone for 10 turns and they break it, one is not allowed to make another MA until the first one would have finished. Same goes for MPPs. Rule 4: Always respect deals with the other human. Rule 5: No settler creep (if it ever gets to that) as per anarres definition. __________________ The one and only

08-08-2003, 17:47	#3
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	yndy, I normally don't play nice to the AI in PBEM's, but I am willing to give it a shot. To do this though you must be very specific about all the exploits you want to be banned. Are pre-builds exploits for example? Some would say so since the AI can't use them. Rules 2 and 3: I think that 20 turns is too long to respect a broken MA for. The AI will often break an MA with you agianst another AI by making peace after a few turns. I see this as them breakig the deal, so why should we respect broken MA's for 20 turns when the AI doesn't? I suggest 10 turns would be a good comprimise. Rule 4: I have personally never broken a deal with a human. If you want to make it part of the game rules that we can't break them I am happy with that too. Rule 5: Settler creep against the other human is something I like to agree not to do too. The way I define the rule is that you can't abandon a city and in the same turn build a city in one of the surrounding 8 tiles. I see nothing wrong with rebuilding on the same spot (to avoid flips). If you want to ban settler creep against the AI too then that is also OK. __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

08-08-2003, 17:59	#4
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	anarres, I'm OK with 10 turns but only as a special favor for you. It's against the humans that I want you to be gentle. I take it that Rule 2 is OK. I have seen your comments about exploits on CFC and I think we have similar views on that. Is there any specific set of rules that you want to enforce? __________________ The one and only

09-08-2003, 14:37	#5
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	yndy, please list the GOTM exploits here, so as to be sure. __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

10-08-2003, 05:02	#6
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	I added the GOTM ones. __________________ The one and only

08-08-2003, 16:59	#2
Moonsinger Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: USA. Posts: 104	What is your definition of 'Rule 1: No Exploits'? For example, I would consider giving away free techs to scientific civs so that they discover one free tech for you is an 'exploit'.

11-08-2003, 17:36	#7
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	You da man. Now, all other nasty behaviour is OK? __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

12-08-2003, 06:55	#8
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	Well, … yes. (already regretting) __________________ The one and only

14-08-2003, 09:20	#9
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	OK, guys spit it out. What's with 21 messages on the annares vs yndy spoiler thread? I have only one line to write for my spoilers. __________________ The one and only

14-08-2003, 09:27	#10
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	We are discussing the best ways to kill you.... One line..., anarres has a lot more to tell us...