This bug annoys the heck outta me!

Lt. Killer M · 10-01-2006, 16:43

I am talking about the fucking attack-bug, whcih keeps units on 'attack this city' even if their orders are 15 turns old and the city has changed hands three times in between! AIs that have a HUGE plus in their attitude against me and hardly any minus, have been my best friend all game long, are allied with me against a common enemy.....

.... attck the city I just took from our common enemy.

How stoopid is Firaxis?????

Shabbaman · 10-01-2006, 16:46

Even better than the submarine bug from civ3.

akots · 10-01-2006, 18:13

Well, there are many-many other weird things also with the AI. But this one is very annoying indeed to the extreme. It was somewhat similar in Civ3 though manifested at its peak in Conquests version 1.15. I think they cut it slightly in version 1.22 but not completely.

What most annoys me is the governor. To the point of crushing the keyboard. I think I'm smoking too much recently because of this bug, should have sued Firaxis for damage to my health.

Matrix · 10-01-2006, 21:37

Never encountered it...once again.

What's it with you all and bugs?! It's like you got honey on you.

Pastorius · 10-01-2006, 22:45

Weird. Must be my peaceful nature. Or my too few games played through. I havent experienced any killer bugs with "old orders carried through".

I guess Akots is right about the governor, but it hasnt annoyed me much yet...

akots · 10-01-2006, 23:37

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

Never encountered it...once again. ...

It is just that you don't pay much attention or don't care? Bet even if there are bugs (not graphical) you won't notice since your primary goal is having fun. While primary goal of some other players is to kill some virtual enemies.

Soren Johnson · 16-01-2006, 02:05

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Lt. Killer M

I am talking about the fucking attack-bug, whcih keeps units on 'attack this city' even if their orders are 15 turns old and the city has changed hands three times in between! AIs that have a HUGE plus in their attitude against me and hardly any minus, have been my best friend all game long, are allied with me against a common enemy.....

.... attck the city I just took from our common enemy.

How stoopid is Firaxis?????

do you have a save? I'm not sure I'm understanding you as how can you tell it is a bug as opposed to just aggressive AI?

akots · 16-01-2006, 02:22

Hey, Soren, nice to see you here! How did you find the CDZ?

I'm sure Killer will dig out some save.

Also, hope that you don't take all these offensive comments seriously and moreover personally. Considering how much time Killer had invested into playing Civ4, he certainly can be pissed by some stuff, just like any other civver imho.

I can give probably the most well-known example for Conquests (there are many more) and I have not yet stumbled upon a similar phenomenon in CivIV patch 1.52 myself yet.

Here is a thread of an RBCiv Succession game with weird Persian attack:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=78829
around this post there is a description:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...9&postcount=48

Lt. Killer M · 16-01-2006, 10:07

Soren,

uh, sorry, the save is long gone.

But if it happenes again I'll be sure to save and provide it!

What I meant is that it seems the AI gives troops the prder: 'go there and take that city', without the qualification 'as long as it belongs to civ x'. Thus, if the city changes hands, the troops still attack it.

Now, super-aggressive AI is a good guess here, but more often than not the attack is suicidal: the town is easily taken, but the war is a losing proposition (e.g. I have 20 times the troops that particular AI has). As I have so far seen few suicidal AIs (as opposed to CivIII) this possibility seems unlikely to me.

btw: re 'stoopid' - I hope you do not take this personally - I chose the word in a state of massive anger. Please do not be offended!

Socrates · 16-01-2006, 11:13

That's what we call "being caught with his pants down".

Hmmm, Soren here, really ?

If this is no joke from one of our admins (yes, the admins are as silly as the rest of us here

), then welcome to CDZ ! I'm sure Killer will forgive me a little threadjacking ; I am the French dude who teased you and Sid about Civ4 demogame in the Parisian showcase in November.

While I'm at it, I'll try to take time to track down what annoys me in Civ4, that is, when I have finished all those games sponsored by your friend Bob from RBCiv...

10-01-2006, 16:43	#1
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	This bug annoys the heck outta me! I am talking about the fucking attack-bug, whcih keeps units on 'attack this city' even if their orders are 15 turns old and the city has changed hands three times in between! AIs that have a HUGE plus in their attitude against me and hardly any minus, have been my best friend all game long, are allied with me against a common enemy..... .... attck the city I just took from our common enemy. How stoopid is Firaxis????? __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

10-01-2006, 16:46	#2
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	Even better than the submarine bug from civ3. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

10-01-2006, 18:13	#3
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	Well, there are many-many other weird things also with the AI. But this one is very annoying indeed to the extreme. It was somewhat similar in Civ3 though manifested at its peak in Conquests version 1.15. I think they cut it slightly in version 1.22 but not completely. What most annoys me is the governor. To the point of crushing the keyboard. I think I'm smoking too much recently because of this bug, should have sued Firaxis for damage to my health. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

10-01-2006, 21:37	#4
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	Never encountered it...once again. What's it with you all and bugs?! It's like you got honey on you. __________________

10-01-2006, 22:45	#5
Pastorius Custard used tile Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Opening a can Posts: 3,158	Weird. Must be my peaceful nature. Or my too few games played through. I havent experienced any killer bugs with "old orders carried through". I guess Akots is right about the governor, but it hasnt annoyed me much yet... __________________

16-01-2006, 02:22	#8
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	Hey, Soren, nice to see you here! How did you find the CDZ? I'm sure Killer will dig out some save. Also, hope that you don't take all these offensive comments seriously and moreover personally. Considering how much time Killer had invested into playing Civ4, he certainly can be pissed by some stuff, just like any other civver imho. I can give probably the most well-known example for Conquests (there are many more) and I have not yet stumbled upon a similar phenomenon in CivIV patch 1.52 myself yet. Here is a thread of an RBCiv Succession game with weird Persian attack: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=78829 around this post there is a description: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...9&postcount=48 __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

16-01-2006, 10:07	#9
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	Soren, uh, sorry, the save is long gone. But if it happenes again I'll be sure to save and provide it! What I meant is that it seems the AI gives troops the prder: 'go there and take that city', without the qualification 'as long as it belongs to civ x'. Thus, if the city changes hands, the troops still attack it. Now, super-aggressive AI is a good guess here, but more often than not the attack is suicidal: the town is easily taken, but the war is a losing proposition (e.g. I have 20 times the troops that particular AI has). As I have so far seen few suicidal AIs (as opposed to CivIII) this possibility seems unlikely to me. btw: re 'stoopid' - I hope you do not take this personally - I chose the word in a state of massive anger. Please do not be offended! __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

16-01-2006, 11:13	#10
Socrates Emperor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,946	That's what we call "being caught with his pants down". Hmmm, Soren here, really ? If this is no joke from one of our admins (yes, the admins are as silly as the rest of us here ), then welcome to CDZ ! I'm sure Killer will forgive me a little threadjacking ; I am the French dude who teased you and Sid about Civ4 demogame in the Parisian showcase in November. While I'm at it, I'll try to take time to track down what annoys me in Civ4, that is, when I have finished all those games sponsored by your friend Bob from RBCiv... __________________ Sent from my Debian