Cycling: Will it clean itself up now?

grahamiam · 10-10-2012, 18:59

USADA releases thier finding on USPS Pro Cycling Team/Lance Armstrong today:
USADA presser

NYT Arcticle on said report

So, is this the start needed or is this just closing out something that happened 10 or so years ago?

Beam · 10-10-2012, 19:47

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Originally Posted by grahamiam

USADA releases thier finding on USPS Pro Cycling Team/Lance Armstrong today:
USADA presser

NYT Arcticle on said report

So, is this the start needed or is this just closing out something that happened 10 or so years ago?

This is a witch hunt. The sport should focus on keeping it clean now and in the future instead of reopening long closed cases from the past.

Matrix · 11-10-2012, 01:14

I fully agree. It doesn't make any sense to pass the title of Tour de France winner over to #10 in the ranking, just because he was never investigated but might as well have used some. Just put an asterisk after Armstrongs name and get over it.

grahamiam · 11-10-2012, 03:31

I dunno, I think not letting someone get away with it is kinda important. Maybe it prevents someone today from injecting that junk in their body. It also sets precedent, provides a legal framework for future prosecutors, and helps current investigators understand methods used to bypass the rules.

Shabbaman · 11-10-2012, 09:22

The sport's getting nowhere if they punish Armstrong. A demasque of a champion is always a sad thing, but face it, from that era there are very few champions that didn't cheat. And no, I'm not just referring to cycling here. If anything useful is to come out of this, then measures should be taken against the people and organizations involved in this. The report is pretty incriminating. The UCI is to blame (easy to blame the UCI of a lot of crap in cycling, it's corruption and nepotism on a level close to FIFA), shady docters like Ferrari are to blame, but what in my opinion is the most important is that people like Bruyneel are still working in this sport. That's a farce.

I'm surprised anything came out of this, I expected this to take the way of Operation Puerto.

If you're interested, you can read the full report here and a summary here.

socralynnek · 11-10-2012, 10:03

There is stuff, that cheaters know, that it can't be found now.

Therefore it is important to have the threat of being caught years later. And to make that threat really threatening, they have to punish someone years later from time to time.

I agree, that it doesn't make sense to now declare some other cheater the winner. Then rather no winner at all, but demasquing Armstrong is important if cycling wants to get out of this doping slump.

Especially to get the UCI moving. So they can't say "Oh, it's only few individuals who do it on their own"

grahamiam · 11-10-2012, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Shabbaman

If you're interested, you can read the full report here and a summary here.

The 1999 Section of the report is facinating. Starts at page 20.

11-10-2012, 01:14	#3
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	I fully agree. It doesn't make any sense to pass the title of Tour de France winner over to #10 in the ranking, just because he was never investigated but might as well have used some. Just put an asterisk after Armstrongs name and get over it. __________________

11-10-2012, 09:22	#5
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	The sport's getting nowhere if they punish Armstrong. A demasque of a champion is always a sad thing, but face it, from that era there are very few champions that didn't cheat. And no, I'm not just referring to cycling here. If anything useful is to come out of this, then measures should be taken against the people and organizations involved in this. The report is pretty incriminating. The UCI is to blame (easy to blame the UCI of a lot of crap in cycling, it's corruption and nepotism on a level close to FIFA), shady docters like Ferrari are to blame, but what in my opinion is the most important is that people like Bruyneel are still working in this sport. That's a farce. I'm surprised anything came out of this, I expected this to take the way of Operation Puerto. If you're interested, you can read the full report here and a summary here. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

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socralynnek Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USS Defiant Posts: 3,827	There is stuff, that cheaters know, that it can't be found now. Therefore it is important to have the threat of being caught years later. And to make that threat really threatening, they have to punish someone years later from time to time. I agree, that it doesn't make sense to now declare some other cheater the winner. Then rather no winner at all, but demasquing Armstrong is important if cycling wants to get out of this doping slump. Especially to get the UCI moving. So they can't say "Oh, it's only few individuals who do it on their own" __________________ Being without a signature since November 2004.

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grahamiam Emperor Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA, East Coast. Posts: 2,673	Cycling: Will it clean itself up now? USADA releases thier finding on USPS Pro Cycling Team/Lance Armstrong today: USADA presser NYT Arcticle on said report So, is this the start needed or is this just closing out something that happened 10 or so years ago?

11-10-2012, 03:31	#4
grahamiam Emperor Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA, East Coast. Posts: 2,673	I dunno, I think not letting someone get away with it is kinda important. Maybe it prevents someone today from injecting that junk in their body. It also sets precedent, provides a legal framework for future prosecutors, and helps current investigators understand methods used to bypass the rules.