Mistfit's Marauders (hattrick style) - Page 3

akots · 31-05-2005, 23:38

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Dell19
... Shouldn't he be playing 3-5-2 as a goalkeeper trainer? ...

Certainly yes, after one or two friendlies at 3-5-2.

Dell19 · 01-06-2005, 00:29

Felt sure you had posted 5-3-2 rather than 3-5-2 in the post before my last one :\

akots · 01-06-2005, 01:07

Yes, I noticed it and edited.

yndy · 01-06-2005, 05:40

Good start Mistfit, it's good you started to use HO from the beginning, it will help you as you go on. With regard to the line-up tool, the ones made automatically have a certain pattern of assigning possitions, so what I used to do is to set up the team manually as I see fit than ask the utility to set up a line-up for me under the same parameters (formation, positioning). I would then compare the choices and choose the best one.

Mistfit · 01-06-2005, 21:29

Thanks Guys!

I've given my orders for the freindly tonight and the match this weekend because I'll be gone for the weekend.

One question before I go though:

How many and what kind of assistants/doctors/phisio's should I be hiring?

Again thanks for all of your help

Kemal · 01-06-2005, 21:35

Hmm, I'm not sure about sponsor and crowd income in the USA, but I'd start with 2 spokespersons, and 3 or 4 goalie/assistant trainers depending on whether you train keepers or outfielders, and 1 physio.

But I think one of our american hattrickers can give better advice on this, as they know the cash flow in the USA for low level teams better.

Dell19 · 01-06-2005, 21:40

Its mostly down to personal choice. I think I would recommend:

Goaltending Coaches: 2
Assistant Coaches: 3
Sport Psychologists: 0
Spokespersons: 4
Economists: 0 (Unless the econray says that you would benefit from an economist.
Physiotherapists: 1
Doctors: 0 (unless you have injuries)

which is 10k a week. Assistants vaguely seem to benefit form more than their specific benefit to training so as you train goalkeepers the best ratio may by 5 and 5 (cannot add up to more than 10) when you can afford 10 coaches.

Hiring doctors generally depends on how important the injured player is. Spokespeople should generally pay for themselves over a period of time so its good to have quite a few although you could start with say 3. I have 10. I have 1 Sport Psychologists and the general regard is that they don't do much and are a bit of a luxery. Physiotherapists should prevent some injuries so I have 5 but 1 is probably enough for most teams and some established teams will continue to only have a couple even when they can afford more.

Mistfit · 01-06-2005, 21:53

Thanks Dell

How do you know when one of your players has popped up in a catagory? Is there a flag that tells you or do you just need to keep track?

Dell19 · 01-06-2005, 22:18

Management programs can do it for you or you can just use excel listing your trainees with their current skills and just check them each week. HT Ratings automatically displays changes each time you download updates however I don't think its meant to be as good at keeping track of training in terms of number of weeks. I use excel because some management programs will list a week of training as missed in certain circumstances when the player should have actually been trained.

akots · 02-06-2005, 00:55

The problem with US imho, is that you are stuck in the VIth division for a few seasons. Div V is really as tough as in any other league and it might be rather hard to promote rapidly. Div VI on the contraty is rather heterogenous and it is quite possibly to perform rather not so bad there even in the first or second season. So, it seems that performance in the league is rather important and it is not possible to peform normally with crap players and crappy setup or training stamina gambit and other peculiar forms of training. On the other hand, Div VI gives a decent income compared to other leagues in lower divisions especially mostly due to great supporter flow if you perform somehow not very badly. So, I'd focus on performance since one needs a lot of cash and experience to promote to Div V and stay there. Very decent teams are kicked out constantly and a 50-star team in Vth is not a guarantee winner. So, might be good idea to settle down in the league and train something long-term while focusing on performance with what you have on hand and what you can buy for pennies.

Regarding specialists: Definitely hire at least 3 spokespersons immediately (followed with 2 more lately) and one or two of each of assistant and goaltending coaches. If you will train keepers probably need more goaltending coaches. I'd also hire one or two physcologists, they are good for confidence in the long run especially after you are losing matches. The impact of loss on confidence is not that severe and confidence is important for performance. One or two physiotherapists will not hurt as well and you don't need economists unless you are in debt or in profit a lot (over 200K cash) or doctor unless you have injuries.

Regarding lineup for a league match made today: It is not a very good idea. The form of players and training results will change on Friday night and Saturday late night and you might want to adjust the lineup according to this. Also, you might have a youth pull which is good and might want to play him (or sell or fire, whatever).

01-06-2005, 01:07	#23
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	Yes, I noticed it and edited. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

01-06-2005, 05:40	#24
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	Good start Mistfit, it's good you started to use HO from the beginning, it will help you as you go on. With regard to the line-up tool, the ones made automatically have a certain pattern of assigning possitions, so what I used to do is to set up the team manually as I see fit than ask the utility to set up a line-up for me under the same parameters (formation, positioning). I would then compare the choices and choose the best one. __________________ The one and only

01-06-2005, 21:29	#25
Mistfit King Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: idunno. Posts: 2,428	Thanks Guys! I've given my orders for the freindly tonight and the match this weekend because I'll be gone for the weekend. One question before I go though: How many and what kind of assistants/doctors/phisio's should I be hiring? Again thanks for all of your help __________________ Stumbling from pillar to post...

01-06-2005, 21:35	#26
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	Hmm, I'm not sure about sponsor and crowd income in the USA, but I'd start with 2 spokespersons, and 3 or 4 goalie/assistant trainers depending on whether you train keepers or outfielders, and 1 physio. But I think one of our american hattrickers can give better advice on this, as they know the cash flow in the USA for low level teams better. __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

01-06-2005, 21:53	#28
Mistfit King Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: idunno. Posts: 2,428	Thanks Dell How do you know when one of your players has popped up in a catagory? Is there a flag that tells you or do you just need to keep track? __________________ Stumbling from pillar to post...

01-06-2005, 00:29	#22
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	Felt sure you had posted 5-3-2 rather than 3-5-2 in the post before my last one :\

01-06-2005, 21:40	#27
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	Its mostly down to personal choice. I think I would recommend: Goaltending Coaches: 2 Assistant Coaches: 3 Sport Psychologists: 0 Spokespersons: 4 Economists: 0 (Unless the econray says that you would benefit from an economist. Physiotherapists: 1 Doctors: 0 (unless you have injuries) which is 10k a week. Assistants vaguely seem to benefit form more than their specific benefit to training so as you train goalkeepers the best ratio may by 5 and 5 (cannot add up to more than 10) when you can afford 10 coaches. Hiring doctors generally depends on how important the injured player is. Spokespeople should generally pay for themselves over a period of time so its good to have quite a few although you could start with say 3. I have 10. I have 1 Sport Psychologists and the general regard is that they don't do much and are a bit of a luxery. Physiotherapists should prevent some injuries so I have 5 but 1 is probably enough for most teams and some established teams will continue to only have a couple even when they can afford more.

01-06-2005, 22:18	#29
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	Management programs can do it for you or you can just use excel listing your trainees with their current skills and just check them each week. HT Ratings automatically displays changes each time you download updates however I don't think its meant to be as good at keeping track of training in terms of number of weeks. I use excel because some management programs will list a week of training as missed in certain circumstances when the player should have actually been trained.

02-06-2005, 00:55	#30
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	The problem with US imho, is that you are stuck in the VIth division for a few seasons. Div V is really as tough as in any other league and it might be rather hard to promote rapidly. Div VI on the contraty is rather heterogenous and it is quite possibly to perform rather not so bad there even in the first or second season. So, it seems that performance in the league is rather important and it is not possible to peform normally with crap players and crappy setup or training stamina gambit and other peculiar forms of training. On the other hand, Div VI gives a decent income compared to other leagues in lower divisions especially mostly due to great supporter flow if you perform somehow not very badly. So, I'd focus on performance since one needs a lot of cash and experience to promote to Div V and stay there. Very decent teams are kicked out constantly and a 50-star team in Vth is not a guarantee winner. So, might be good idea to settle down in the league and train something long-term while focusing on performance with what you have on hand and what you can buy for pennies. Regarding specialists: Definitely hire at least 3 spokespersons immediately (followed with 2 more lately) and one or two of each of assistant and goaltending coaches. If you will train keepers probably need more goaltending coaches. I'd also hire one or two physcologists, they are good for confidence in the long run especially after you are losing matches. The impact of loss on confidence is not that severe and confidence is important for performance. One or two physiotherapists will not hurt as well and you don't need economists unless you are in debt or in profit a lot (over 200K cash) or doctor unless you have injuries. Regarding lineup for a league match made today: It is not a very good idea. The form of players and training results will change on Friday night and Saturday late night and you might want to adjust the lineup according to this. Also, you might have a youth pull which is good and might want to play him (or sell or fire, whatever). __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)