What kind of a [snip] bug is this?!

Matrix · 09-07-2009, 23:34

I'm playing a marathon game on a huge map at monarch level. I'm on a roll with a space ship almost done, and then this happens:
"A SS Stasis Chamber in Iconium was destroyed by enemy infiltrators!"

Sweet smokin' son of a bitch! That means I have to play on nineteen more turns, if they don't sabotage more SS units, which are apparently accessible and destructible in every city. But I can't destroy theirs.

ProPain · 10-07-2009, 13:05

wow, never seen that. And I have built quite some spaceships in my early cvi4 games as that was about the only way I could win

Robi D · 10-07-2009, 14:01

It not a bug, according to firaxis anyway.

I've had it happen to me on a couple times and i've seen it happen to other to other people. And since the new patch didn't change it i can only guess thats how firaxis intended it to work (or they are just really really lazy)

I think its BS that your spaceship can be sabotaged in any city but it stationed in the capital.

grahamiam · 10-07-2009, 23:05

Can't you spam spies and put them in every city to make it very hard (and costly) to do this?

akots · 11-07-2009, 00:15

Just spies don't help, but you can run counter-espionage mission with a particular AI (judging by the total points the AI has) to increase the cost of sabotage for that AI for a few subsequent turns. Counter mission is not that expensive to run and can be done multiple times against multiple AIs. Main problem is to deliver a spy to one of their cities especially if they are on a separate continent and there is no open borders. Caravels or later submarines are a great help with this delivery problem.

This is indeed a feature, annoying or not. Not a big deal on Monarch since AIs tend to be quite weak but on Emperor and above, this may substantially delay the launch again emphasizing the need to prebuild the parts as much as possible to make the window of actually building the parts as short as possible.

grahamiam · 11-07-2009, 04:09

For some weird reason, I always thought having a spy stationed in a particular city increased the spy points required to do espionage in said city.

Robi D · 11-07-2009, 04:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by grahamiam

For some weird reason, I always thought having a spy stationed in a particular city increased the spy points required to do espionage in said city.

I believe it lowers the odds of success

akots · 11-07-2009, 05:44

No, it has no effect. For details see a comprehensive guide:

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/stra...onage_cost.php

akots · 11-07-2009, 05:47

That is one of the misconceptions. Another one recently disspelled is that actual visibility of a tile is not needed for fog-dispersion to prevent barbarian spawn. They cannot spawn within 2 tiles of an active unit in any case independently of whether the spawning tile is visible to the sentry unit or not.

Robi D · 11-07-2009, 08:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by akots

No, it has no effect. For details see a comprehensive guide:

http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/stra...onage_cost.php

Does it at least increase the chance of detecting enemy spies in your terrtory

09-07-2009, 23:34	#1
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	What kind of a [snip] bug is this?! I'm playing a marathon game on a huge map at monarch level. I'm on a roll with a space ship almost done, and then this happens: "A SS Stasis Chamber in Iconium was destroyed by enemy infiltrators!" Sweet smokin' son of a bitch! That means I have to play on nineteen more turns, if they don't sabotage more SS units, which are apparently accessible and destructible in every city. But I can't destroy theirs. __________________

10-07-2009, 13:05	#2
ProPain Customized Admin :) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sailing the seas of cheese. Posts: 5,852	wow, never seen that. And I have built quite some spaceships in my early cvi4 games as that was about the only way I could win __________________ I fed my Dog the American Dream Well, he rolled over and he started to scream He said, I dig the taste of salt but it don't keep me alive yeah, yeah

10-07-2009, 14:01	#3
Robi D King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Adelaide, Australia. Posts: 2,060	It not a bug, according to firaxis anyway. I've had it happen to me on a couple times and i've seen it happen to other to other people. And since the new patch didn't change it i can only guess thats how firaxis intended it to work (or they are just really really lazy) I think its BS that your spaceship can be sabotaged in any city but it stationed in the capital. __________________ "I'm altering the deal, prey I don't alter it further" Darth Vader "We shall defend what is ours. We shall never surrender" --Kosovo is Serbia!

11-07-2009, 00:15	#5
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	Just spies don't help, but you can run counter-espionage mission with a particular AI (judging by the total points the AI has) to increase the cost of sabotage for that AI for a few subsequent turns. Counter mission is not that expensive to run and can be done multiple times against multiple AIs. Main problem is to deliver a spy to one of their cities especially if they are on a separate continent and there is no open borders. Caravels or later submarines are a great help with this delivery problem. This is indeed a feature, annoying or not. Not a big deal on Monarch since AIs tend to be quite weak but on Emperor and above, this may substantially delay the launch again emphasizing the need to prebuild the parts as much as possible to make the window of actually building the parts as short as possible. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

11-07-2009, 05:44	#8
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	No, it has no effect. For details see a comprehensive guide: http://www.civfanatics.com/civ4/stra...onage_cost.php __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

10-07-2009, 23:05	#4
grahamiam Emperor Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA, East Coast. Posts: 2,673	Can't you spam spies and put them in every city to make it very hard (and costly) to do this?

11-07-2009, 04:09	#6
grahamiam Emperor Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA, East Coast. Posts: 2,673	For some weird reason, I always thought having a spy stationed in a particular city increased the spy points required to do espionage in said city.

11-07-2009, 05:47	#9
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	That is one of the misconceptions. Another one recently disspelled is that actual visibility of a tile is not needed for fog-dispersion to prevent barbarian spawn. They cannot spawn within 2 tiles of an active unit in any case independently of whether the spawning tile is visible to the sentry unit or not. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius) Last edited by akots; 11-07-2009 at 08:50.