Double Moving

mauer · 13-10-2007, 00:17

Are having DM rules better or worse for gameplay?

mauer · 13-10-2007, 00:20

Also, discuss this question. Say you go second in a two man war, but there are others in the game as well. First person goes, you go, but the others have not. Is it then ok to log into the game on a new turn out of turn to do things such as: promotions, worker actions, get screenshots, curiosity. I'm guessing that logging in multiple times, for long periods of time, is not cool. Anyways, discuss.

BCLG100 · 13-10-2007, 00:33

I'm really not sure what my opinion is on this anymore.

akots · 13-10-2007, 00:46

Voted the last one about bogeyman eating.

Matrix · 13-10-2007, 00:46

The question is "better or worse" and I can answer with "yes" or "no".

Since "better" and "yes" are both positive in a sense I'll answer this with "no".

The gameplay is made for turn based play. The fact that you can move your catapults and bombard, move your grenadiers and attack, or land your troops and attack immediately after ruins the gameplay as it's almost impossible to defend yourself against it.

Besides that, in pitbosses, the one who has the most time on his hands will prevail, not the one with better tactical skills. In online MP, the one with the lowest ping wins, at least if a city build screen doesn't flash up when a new turn starts. And it's nervewrecking. I'd play a RTS game if I wanted that.

mauer · 13-10-2007, 00:50

Echo Matrix, and I don't really like online MP much either. That's why I only played my Command and Conquer a couple times.

IglooDude · 13-10-2007, 00:54

Can you edit your poll question? Better yes, or worse yes?

I dislike DM rules, but that could be at least partly because as a game admin I find playing referee on them to be a royal pain in the ass.

BCLG100 · 13-10-2007, 01:04

and lets be fair, you host pretty much every pitboss game going!

Shabbaman · 13-10-2007, 11:38

DM is stupid. It was never in the original (SP) game, so to me it's against the spirit of the game. It turns the game into a " who logs in first/last game" (or who lives in the better timezone, who gets out of bed earlier, who isn't away for the weekend), and I don't like that. I have the same issue with simultaneous moves: it makes the game some form of dexterity game, like a RTS. If I wanted to be the quickest to select units and attack with them I would play starcraft instead of civ.

Rules against DM would slow down the game as well, so that's not that good as well.

IglooDude · 13-10-2007, 13:01

Thanks mauer.

I concede that if DM is allowed, I have absolutely no compunctions about using it. If the game rules define it as "dishonorable" (which they've done in one game I'm in), then I don't, same as if the rules simply disallow it.

I personally prefer to play in games where it isn't allowed, because I don't like trying to deal with employing or defending against DMs any more than anyone else. Perhaps I should start pushing my games to have them be dishonorable rather than a cheat per se?

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Yes, dm rules are better for gameplay	2	22.22%
No, it's not better	3	33.33%
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13-10-2007, 00:17	#1
mauer King Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,033	Double Moving Are having DM rules better or worse for gameplay?

13-10-2007, 00:33	#3
BCLG100 Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lahndan Posts: 6,220	I'm really not sure what my opinion is on this anymore. __________________ the sooner you fall behind, the more time you\'ll have to catch up! CDZ Cup Champion!!!

13-10-2007, 00:46	#4
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	Voted the last one about bogeyman eating. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

13-10-2007, 00:46	#5
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	The question is "better or worse" and I can answer with "yes" or "no". Since "better" and "yes" are both positive in a sense I'll answer this with "no". The gameplay is made for turn based play. The fact that you can move your catapults and bombard, move your grenadiers and attack, or land your troops and attack immediately after ruins the gameplay as it's almost impossible to defend yourself against it. Besides that, in pitbosses, the one who has the most time on his hands will prevail, not the one with better tactical skills. In online MP, the one with the lowest ping wins, at least if a city build screen doesn't flash up when a new turn starts. And it's nervewrecking. I'd play a RTS game if I wanted that. __________________

13-10-2007, 00:20	#2
mauer King Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,033	Also, discuss this question. Say you go second in a two man war, but there are others in the game as well. First person goes, you go, but the others have not. Is it then ok to log into the game on a new turn out of turn to do things such as: promotions, worker actions, get screenshots, curiosity. I'm guessing that logging in multiple times, for long periods of time, is not cool. Anyways, discuss.

13-10-2007, 00:50	#6
mauer King Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,033	Echo Matrix, and I don't really like online MP much either. That's why I only played my Command and Conquer a couple times.

13-10-2007, 00:54	#7
IglooDude Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Hampshire. Posts: 723	Can you edit your poll question? Better yes, or worse yes? I dislike DM rules, but that could be at least partly because as a game admin I find playing referee on them to be a royal pain in the ass. __________________ \"The new sheriff is in town and I only take vassal states. You don\'t have enough cities to be a vassal.\" - Whomp

13-10-2007, 01:04	#8
BCLG100 Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lahndan Posts: 6,220	and lets be fair, you host pretty much every pitboss game going! __________________ the sooner you fall behind, the more time you\'ll have to catch up! CDZ Cup Champion!!!

13-10-2007, 11:38	#9
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	DM is stupid. It was never in the original (SP) game, so to me it's against the spirit of the game. It turns the game into a " who logs in first/last game" (or who lives in the better timezone, who gets out of bed earlier, who isn't away for the weekend), and I don't like that. I have the same issue with simultaneous moves: it makes the game some form of dexterity game, like a RTS. If I wanted to be the quickest to select units and attack with them I would play starcraft instead of civ. Rules against DM would slow down the game as well, so that's not that good as well. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

13-10-2007, 13:01	#10
IglooDude Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Hampshire. Posts: 723	Thanks mauer. I concede that if DM is allowed, I have absolutely no compunctions about using it. If the game rules define it as "dishonorable" (which they've done in one game I'm in), then I don't, same as if the rules simply disallow it. I personally prefer to play in games where it isn't allowed, because I don't like trying to deal with employing or defending against DMs any more than anyone else. Perhaps I should start pushing my games to have them be dishonorable rather than a cheat per se? __________________ \"The new sheriff is in town and I only take vassal states. You don\'t have enough cities to be a vassal.\" - Whomp