Interseason transfers

Kingreno · 17-01-2005, 11:07

As many players will add capacity to their stadium, prices on the trasfermarket seem to fluctuate a lot. Aristocats train defending and I will keep all trainees in my squad for some time to come. The rest of the field required some new blood though as my guys are getting old. I bought:

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Miklós Latinovics (50555557)
19 years, passable form, healthy
A nasty fellow who is fiery and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.

Speciality: Technical

Nationality: Magyarország
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 920
Wage: 981 €/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Champagner Club
Warnings: 0

Stamina: weak Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: poor
Scoring: excellent Set Pieces: weak

I paid 300k Euro's for him. After bidding on perhaps a dozen more like him in the previous days I think it is an ok price no?

Dell19 · 17-01-2005, 13:18

Seems like a very good deal. I guess he doesn't have great passing but I would still have expected bidding to go slightly higher usually.

The factors that probably reduced his value:
- Scoring trainers already have their trainees for next season so the age wasn't beneficial
- Weak passing
- Weak Stamina
- Nasty player, shouldn't really reduce prices but it does put some people off.
- Young player lacking the experience of an older excellent striker.

Should still be a good buy though.

Kemal · 17-01-2005, 13:26

Before I bought my winger, I had been looking at forwards as well, and it certainly is not a bad buy since I can't recall seeing many, if any at all, excellent forwards going for less than 300K.
However, I am wondering, is it useful to use programs such as HO to value players before you buy them, or are the stats given there not representative for the impact they have on the team, but only for their individual star performance?
I am wondering because if I use Miklos's stats in HO.126 skilltester, he only gets 0.2 points more than my own striker who has passable scoring/solid passing.. since I do not have an excellent striker, I can't compare of course, but will the difference between miklos and my striker really be that small, i.e. when buying forwards, do you indeed have to bleed that massively for only a small improvement?

Kingreno · 17-01-2005, 13:58

First, my best striker was kicked out for 2 weeks last match, meaning the CDZ-cup was at stake!

I have three strikers in my squad but two are over 30! Both have already dropped their scoring skill once. The other, as said before, is injured and may suffer from lousy form at the start of the next season. This guy I bought should get to 3 stars in passable form and that will just have to do. Going to 3.5 stars is just too expensive at the moment as that requires at least 500k, possibly a lot more.

As for Dell's remarks, I took that all into considderation. Weak passing is not too bad and the stamina will be upped soon. On the bright side, his passable winger and Inad PM combined with excellent scoring will mean he can play winger too. Furthermore, experience will be gained through cupmatches and so on.

In some 10-14 weeks I expect to raise roughly 4 to 5 Mil on Defender sales. I will buy a better forward then.

Shabbaman · 17-01-2005, 14:21

That's an ok price, but not a bargain. Next time, look for a player without the technical specialty. And you can save yourself some money buying a dutch forward, or with less useless skills like winger or PM.

English_brit · 17-01-2005, 14:22

He's a decent player. Personally I would have gone for someone a bit older with more experience and who'd be less likely to get booked though. He'll pick up a fair few yellow cards.

I think passing on strikers is a nice bonus but when you consider the extra price you have to pay to get it I'm not convinced that it's "that" important. The price goes up through the roof with the passing on top and imo the improved performance is not that marked.

I just wish you'd waited till after our game to buy in your new players. lol

Shabbaman · 17-01-2005, 14:36

There's no difference in rating between a solid scorer/passable passer and a excellent scorer/weak passer. The prices are comparable as well, though the first one might be a bit cheaper.
There's a little difference in function though: passing is more important if you play AIM for example. And scoring is more important for set pieces. I don't know whether the scoring rating actually has something to do with the scoring chance, but I guess it does.

English_brit · 17-01-2005, 18:33

Ta for the info. I'd go for the excellent scorer out of those two players every time. That's just me though. I guess everyone has to make their own minds up.

yndy · 17-01-2005, 21:30

I'd also go for the excellent scorer, IMO 1 level of scoring = at least 3 levels of passing. However Kemal was mentioning his passable scoring/solid passing. That's a big difference I'd say. I also don't like programs that give ratings, I compare the players by the stars.

akots · 17-01-2005, 22:05

Since I've been thinking of selling mine 19-year-old excel trainee, I looked through the forward market regularly almost every day for the past month and seems that the deal is OK. You certainly did not pay extra but if this guy were honest/upright and not nasty/fiery he would have been priced at 350K up to 400K probably. The secondaries don't matter much apparently for the price except for passing which is weak in this case and hence does not contribute. And looks like the seller needed extra cash or was not training scoring since his TSI is rather high suggesting he might promote to formidable and rather soon indeed if trained but hard to tell exactly.

17-01-2005, 13:26	#3
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	Before I bought my winger, I had been looking at forwards as well, and it certainly is not a bad buy since I can't recall seeing many, if any at all, excellent forwards going for less than 300K. However, I am wondering, is it useful to use programs such as HO to value players before you buy them, or are the stats given there not representative for the impact they have on the team, but only for their individual star performance? I am wondering because if I use Miklos's stats in HO.126 skilltester, he only gets 0.2 points more than my own striker who has passable scoring/solid passing.. since I do not have an excellent striker, I can't compare of course, but will the difference between miklos and my striker really be that small, i.e. when buying forwards, do you indeed have to bleed that massively for only a small improvement? __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

17-01-2005, 13:58	#4
Kingreno Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,270	First, my best striker was kicked out for 2 weeks last match, meaning the CDZ-cup was at stake! I have three strikers in my squad but two are over 30! Both have already dropped their scoring skill once. The other, as said before, is injured and may suffer from lousy form at the start of the next season. This guy I bought should get to 3 stars in passable form and that will just have to do. Going to 3.5 stars is just too expensive at the moment as that requires at least 500k, possibly a lot more. As for Dell's remarks, I took that all into considderation. Weak passing is not too bad and the stamina will be upped soon. On the bright side, his passable winger and Inad PM combined with excellent scoring will mean he can play winger too. Furthermore, experience will be gained through cupmatches and so on. In some 10-14 weeks I expect to raise roughly 4 to 5 Mil on Defender sales. I will buy a better forward then. __________________ Go ahead punk. Make my day.

17-01-2005, 14:21	#5
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	That's an ok price, but not a bargain. Next time, look for a player without the technical specialty. And you can save yourself some money buying a dutch forward, or with less useless skills like winger or PM. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

17-01-2005, 14:36	#7
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,494	There's no difference in rating between a solid scorer/passable passer and a excellent scorer/weak passer. The prices are comparable as well, though the first one might be a bit cheaper. There's a little difference in function though: passing is more important if you play AIM for example. And scoring is more important for set pieces. I don't know whether the scoring rating actually has something to do with the scoring chance, but I guess it does. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

17-01-2005, 21:30	#9
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	I'd also go for the excellent scorer, IMO 1 level of scoring = at least 3 levels of passing. However Kemal was mentioning his passable scoring/solid passing. That's a big difference I'd say. I also don't like programs that give ratings, I compare the players by the stars. __________________ The one and only

17-01-2005, 13:18	#2
Dell19 King Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Grantham. Posts: 1,359	Seems like a very good deal. I guess he doesn't have great passing but I would still have expected bidding to go slightly higher usually. The factors that probably reduced his value: - Scoring trainers already have their trainees for next season so the age wasn't beneficial - Weak passing - Weak Stamina - Nasty player, shouldn't really reduce prices but it does put some people off. - Young player lacking the experience of an older excellent striker. Should still be a good buy though.

17-01-2005, 14:22	#6
English_brit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: . Posts: 393	He's a decent player. Personally I would have gone for someone a bit older with more experience and who'd be less likely to get booked though. He'll pick up a fair few yellow cards. I think passing on strikers is a nice bonus but when you consider the extra price you have to pay to get it I'm not convinced that it's "that" important. The price goes up through the roof with the passing on top and imo the improved performance is not that marked. I just wish you'd waited till after our game to buy in your new players. lol

17-01-2005, 18:33	#8
English_brit Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: . Posts: 393	Ta for the info. I'd go for the excellent scorer out of those two players every time. That's just me though. I guess everyone has to make their own minds up.

17-01-2005, 22:05	#10
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	Since I've been thinking of selling mine 19-year-old excel trainee, I looked through the forward market regularly almost every day for the past month and seems that the deal is OK. You certainly did not pay extra but if this guy were honest/upright and not nasty/fiery he would have been priced at 350K up to 400K probably. The secondaries don't matter much apparently for the price except for passing which is weak in this case and hence does not contribute. And looks like the seller needed extra cash or was not training scoring since his TSI is rather high suggesting he might promote to formidable and rather soon indeed if trained but hard to tell exactly. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)