AG8 - Let's try Sid - temporary thread

Aggie · 07-05-2004, 19:17

I created this thread to be able to discuss our Sid SG of CFC. That site will be down for 2 days and the team showed interest to play on this weekend.

I won't do this for the other SG's I organised at CFC. Those don't need the intensive discussion that a Sid game deserves

anarres · 07-05-2004, 19:36

Cool! Good thinking Aggie.

microbe · 07-05-2004, 20:30

heihei

Aggie · 07-05-2004, 20:47

Hi microbe! Nice to have a supporter

Greebley · 08-05-2004, 02:33

Howdy. Just registered.

Aggie · 08-05-2004, 06:32

Welcome Greebly

anarres · 08-05-2004, 14:04

I got this email from Nad:

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Hi annares! These are my turns from AG8. I've attached the save file and a couple of pics. I've been trying to post this to the thread on CDZ but I can't! I'm not sure if it is down or what. So please could you post this report there along with the pics if possible? Thanks!

AG8, Let's Try Sid, inherited turn 50AD

Made a couple of tentative dotmaps to decide where to replace cities. Kente is in a very strange position...it's 1 tile away from the coast and also wastes a grassland tile...I'm going to abandon and replace that city.
Switched to settler.

Sorted through units and cities. One the whole everything is looking very good. One little criticism...we've left far too many forests unchopped, they've been roaded but not chopped. I understand we wish to keep some forests, for micromanagement to high shields and for shield pick-up on growth, but as it is a number of cities are going to struggle in growing because they lack enough food tiles. I'm going to look to chop a number of forests this turn.

A few builds are switched: Delhi, Bombay, Chittagong, Chondote, Kawauka and Tydenaga to settlers, Indus, Kolhapur and Ganges to worker, Kiohero to barracks and Gandasetaigon to harbour.

IT: Salamanca market ----------> spear (can do a spear a turn) Kolhapur worker ----------> catapult

Turn 1, 70AD: army heals this turn, so we can attack next turn. Units move.

IT: Sumeria approaches with a settler pair. Byzantines drop a horse/settler pair. We're going to win the race to both sites, however.
Salamanca spear ---------> spear
Lots of border expansions thanks to Artemis.
St Regis market ---------> courthouse
Oka settler ---------> harbour

Turn 2, 90AD: Owego and Neodakheat founded, both start workers.

Attack Chittagong; army kills pike and 2 spears and we capture the city and a slave. Start worker.

Move towards the next city, India has just 2 left.

IT: Persia gives boot order.
Salamanca spear ----------> spear
Allegheny market ----------> courthouse
Indus worker ----------> worker
Akwesasne harbour ----------> courthouse

Turn 3, 110AD: the masses of jungle is slowing down our move towards the last Indian cities.

Chittagong settler whipped and citizen made a specialist to abandon the city.

IT: mountie retreats from Indian longbow. Sumeria tries boot order but I take rop instead.
Salamanca spear ----------> spear
Centralia courthouse ----------> market
Chittagong settler, abandoned
Chondote settler ----------> aqueduct
Grand River market ----------> Heroic Epic

Turn 4, 130AD: Indian longbow killed. Mounties converge on Calcutta...might be a little late, Sumeria has many troops outside the city.

IT: Sumeria takes Calcutta a turn before we were about to

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Salamanca spear ----------> spear
Mauch Chunk aqueduct ----------> courthouse Gewauga settler ----------> courthouse

Turn 5, 150AD: Oiogouen founded with an Indian settler...I understand this leaves a small flip chance, but with no Indian cultural history and a free temple it should be okay. Starts worker. Skannayutenate founded, starts worker.

It is time to make peace with OCC India. Peace + 99gpt gets us monotheism and engineering. Sumeria should hopefully finish India off in the interturn and we get our cash back.

Monotheism and all our gold won't get us feudalism from Sumeria so it is time to play dirty: renegotiate peace, and now we can get feudalism for monotheism + 1040g.

Engineering sold to Persia for republic + 15g. Republic sold to Sumeria for 1046g + 8gpt. Monotheism sold to Rome for Monarchy + 1g.

Techwise, we are down invention to Portugal, Byzantines and India; we are down chivalry to Portugal and Inca; and we are down theology to Portugal.
There are 2fers available but too expensive.

Dyes bought from Byzantines for silks + 15gpt...we're shortly going to need them.

Salamanca can no longer train spears so switches to 2 turn MDIs...I know we mostly want mounties, but a few MDI are nice for punch and a better use of shields for now...once out of the GA we'll be back to mounties. Gayagaahe changes to aqueduct.

Single scientist set on chivalry, just in case we want to delay it so we can train mounties...as an optional tech it can wait if needs be.

IT: I do not effing believe it

[pic of India-Sumeria peace]

I hate AIs

Sumeria only had to take that last city and had troops round it already, and we would have got our 99gpt back! :aargh:
Even worse, Sumeria moves some enkidus in our direction...er, hello?

Cattaraugus market ---------> courthouse Golgouen barracks ---------> courthouse Oil Springs market ---------> pike

Turn 6, 170AD: theology is now also about and we have an excellent chance to 3fer, but we can't afford it

. Well not conventionally anyhow, but I'm feeling sneaky again...we can do a careful steal from India...if we succeed we can broker it, if we fail then we may get out of our 99gpt payment...IMO this is worth the risk. Go for the careful seal (1255g)...ouch! The steal fails an dGhandi doesn't declare war

. Bugger. Sorry for the waste of gold, guys, but i still think it was worth the risk.

Kente settler whipped and citizen set to specialist to abandon the city.
Move some mounties into Delhi in case Sumeria is planning a sneak attack.

IT: no, the Sumerian units simply wanted to use our roads.
Salamanca MDI ----------> MDI
Tonawanda courthouse ----------> harbour St Regis courthouse ----------> MDI Kahnawake courthouse ----------> aqueduct

Byzantines starts Sistine.

Turn 7, 190AD: Bombay switched to worker as we can't whip the settler cos the city is still in resistance. It looks like Greebley was right...the Kente settler/abandon trick didn't work, because even at size 1 with a specialist the city made surplus food from being next to a river. Switched to pike, will have to bring in a settler from elsewhere. Delhi settler whipped.

IT: Delhi settler -----------> wealth, about to abandon the city Bombay worker ----------> worker Kente pike ----------> wealth Oil Springs pike ----------> courthouse

Turn 8, 210AD: Delhi abandoned, Onnontare founded, starts barracks.

IT: Salamanca MDI ----------> MDI
St Regis MDI ----------> MDI
Ganges worker ----------> worker
Caughnawaga courthouse ----------> market

Turn 9, 230AD: Ganogeh founded, starts worker.

IT: Rome gives boot order.
Allegheny courthouse ----------> granary

Turn 10, 250AD: Kente abandoned and then refounded, starts worker.

The GA is about to end and I don't want to leave the next player masses of micromanagement on the first turn, so I will play an extra turn to get things straightened out. Salamanca switched to pike, since it won't have enough shields for MDI.

IT: GA ends
Salamanca pike ----------> mountie (2 turn mounties again)

Constantinople completes Leo's, Portugal switches to Sistine.

Turn 11, 260AD: cities reconfigured after end of GA.

There are some diplo options for the next player to consider. We will want to revolt soon but might need a bit more cash saved up...we currently have a net outgoing of 166gpt to other civs

There are 2 more cities to found, and there are 2 settlers in production for this task. The first is to replace Bangalore on the yellow dot shown in the full screenshot below. The second is to plug a gap in the pink circle shown.
However, that terrain is marshland and currently being cleared...by the time the settler is complete the marsh will be cleared.

Our options are still open. We've managed to sneak in lots of courthouses, harbours, markets and aqueducts during our GA. I suggest we go back to the military buildup now, as crucial builds complete.

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pics being uploaded now

Aggie · 08-05-2004, 14:43

I believe Greebly is up now?

I think that we still got the two techs relatively cheap from India. It would have been nice if they were killed by Sumeria for a lot of reasons, but it is still a nice deal. I can imagine the steal attempt. Should we have succeeded then that could have been a great boost.

Further comments will follow after seeing the pics and save

anarres · 08-05-2004, 15:09

346.82KB

2 more pics to do, the upload is v slow though atm

Beam · 08-05-2004, 15:18

Can someone post a link to the relevant CFC thread? I know CFC is down but it may be a good read next week.

07-05-2004, 19:17	#1
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	AG8 - Let's try Sid - temporary thread I created this thread to be able to discuss our Sid SG of CFC. That site will be down for 2 days and the team showed interest to play on this weekend. I won't do this for the other SG's I organised at CFC. Those don't need the intensive discussion that a Sid game deserves

07-05-2004, 19:36	#2
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	Cool! Good thinking Aggie. __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

08-05-2004, 14:04	#7
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	I got this email from Nad: ---------------------------- Hi annares! These are my turns from AG8. I've attached the save file and a couple of pics. I've been trying to post this to the thread on CDZ but I can't! I'm not sure if it is down or what. So please could you post this report there along with the pics if possible? Thanks! AG8, Let's Try Sid, inherited turn 50AD Made a couple of tentative dotmaps to decide where to replace cities. Kente is in a very strange position...it's 1 tile away from the coast and also wastes a grassland tile...I'm going to abandon and replace that city. Switched to settler. Sorted through units and cities. One the whole everything is looking very good. One little criticism...we've left far too many forests unchopped, they've been roaded but not chopped. I understand we wish to keep some forests, for micromanagement to high shields and for shield pick-up on growth, but as it is a number of cities are going to struggle in growing because they lack enough food tiles. I'm going to look to chop a number of forests this turn. A few builds are switched: Delhi, Bombay, Chittagong, Chondote, Kawauka and Tydenaga to settlers, Indus, Kolhapur and Ganges to worker, Kiohero to barracks and Gandasetaigon to harbour. IT: Salamanca market ----------> spear (can do a spear a turn) Kolhapur worker ----------> catapult Turn 1, 70AD: army heals this turn, so we can attack next turn. Units move. IT: Sumeria approaches with a settler pair. Byzantines drop a horse/settler pair. We're going to win the race to both sites, however. Salamanca spear ---------> spear Lots of border expansions thanks to Artemis. St Regis market ---------> courthouse Oka settler ---------> harbour Turn 2, 90AD: Owego and Neodakheat founded, both start workers. Attack Chittagong; army kills pike and 2 spears and we capture the city and a slave. Start worker. Move towards the next city, India has just 2 left. IT: Persia gives boot order. Salamanca spear ----------> spear Allegheny market ----------> courthouse Indus worker ----------> worker Akwesasne harbour ----------> courthouse Turn 3, 110AD: the masses of jungle is slowing down our move towards the last Indian cities. Chittagong settler whipped and citizen made a specialist to abandon the city. IT: mountie retreats from Indian longbow. Sumeria tries boot order but I take rop instead. Salamanca spear ----------> spear Centralia courthouse ----------> market Chittagong settler, abandoned Chondote settler ----------> aqueduct Grand River market ----------> Heroic Epic Turn 4, 130AD: Indian longbow killed. Mounties converge on Calcutta...might be a little late, Sumeria has many troops outside the city. IT: Sumeria takes Calcutta a turn before we were about to . Salamanca spear ----------> spear Mauch Chunk aqueduct ----------> courthouse Gewauga settler ----------> courthouse Turn 5, 150AD: Oiogouen founded with an Indian settler...I understand this leaves a small flip chance, but with no Indian cultural history and a free temple it should be okay. Starts worker. Skannayutenate founded, starts worker. It is time to make peace with OCC India. Peace + 99gpt gets us monotheism and engineering. Sumeria should hopefully finish India off in the interturn and we get our cash back. Monotheism and all our gold won't get us feudalism from Sumeria so it is time to play dirty: renegotiate peace, and now we can get feudalism for monotheism + 1040g. Engineering sold to Persia for republic + 15g. Republic sold to Sumeria for 1046g + 8gpt. Monotheism sold to Rome for Monarchy + 1g. Techwise, we are down invention to Portugal, Byzantines and India; we are down chivalry to Portugal and Inca; and we are down theology to Portugal. There are 2fers available but too expensive. Dyes bought from Byzantines for silks + 15gpt...we're shortly going to need them. Salamanca can no longer train spears so switches to 2 turn MDIs...I know we mostly want mounties, but a few MDI are nice for punch and a better use of shields for now...once out of the GA we'll be back to mounties. Gayagaahe changes to aqueduct. Single scientist set on chivalry, just in case we want to delay it so we can train mounties...as an optional tech it can wait if needs be. IT: I do not effing believe it [pic of India-Sumeria peace] I hate AIs Sumeria only had to take that last city and had troops round it already, and we would have got our 99gpt back! :aargh: Even worse, Sumeria moves some enkidus in our direction...er, hello? Cattaraugus market ---------> courthouse Golgouen barracks ---------> courthouse Oil Springs market ---------> pike Turn 6, 170AD: theology is now also about and we have an excellent chance to 3fer, but we can't afford it . Well not conventionally anyhow, but I'm feeling sneaky again...we can do a careful steal from India...if we succeed we can broker it, if we fail then we may get out of our 99gpt payment...IMO this is worth the risk. Go for the careful seal (1255g)...ouch! The steal fails an dGhandi doesn't declare war . Bugger. Sorry for the waste of gold, guys, but i still think it was worth the risk. Kente settler whipped and citizen set to specialist to abandon the city. Move some mounties into Delhi in case Sumeria is planning a sneak attack. IT: no, the Sumerian units simply wanted to use our roads. Salamanca MDI ----------> MDI Tonawanda courthouse ----------> harbour St Regis courthouse ----------> MDI Kahnawake courthouse ----------> aqueduct Byzantines starts Sistine. Turn 7, 190AD: Bombay switched to worker as we can't whip the settler cos the city is still in resistance. It looks like Greebley was right...the Kente settler/abandon trick didn't work, because even at size 1 with a specialist the city made surplus food from being next to a river. Switched to pike, will have to bring in a settler from elsewhere. Delhi settler whipped. IT: Delhi settler -----------> wealth, about to abandon the city Bombay worker ----------> worker Kente pike ----------> wealth Oil Springs pike ----------> courthouse Turn 8, 210AD: Delhi abandoned, Onnontare founded, starts barracks. IT: Salamanca MDI ----------> MDI St Regis MDI ----------> MDI Ganges worker ----------> worker Caughnawaga courthouse ----------> market Turn 9, 230AD: Ganogeh founded, starts worker. IT: Rome gives boot order. Allegheny courthouse ----------> granary Turn 10, 250AD: Kente abandoned and then refounded, starts worker. The GA is about to end and I don't want to leave the next player masses of micromanagement on the first turn, so I will play an extra turn to get things straightened out. Salamanca switched to pike, since it won't have enough shields for MDI. IT: GA ends Salamanca pike ----------> mountie (2 turn mounties again) Constantinople completes Leo's, Portugal switches to Sistine. Turn 11, 260AD: cities reconfigured after end of GA. There are some diplo options for the next player to consider. We will want to revolt soon but might need a bit more cash saved up...we currently have a net outgoing of 166gpt to other civs There are 2 more cities to found, and there are 2 settlers in production for this task. The first is to replace Bangalore on the yellow dot shown in the full screenshot below. The second is to plug a gap in the pink circle shown. However, that terrain is marshland and currently being cleared...by the time the settler is complete the marsh will be cleared. Our options are still open. We've managed to sneak in lots of courthouses, harbours, markets and aqueducts during our GA. I suggest we go back to the military buildup now, as crucial builds complete. ------------------------ pics being uploaded now __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

08-05-2004, 15:09	#9
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	346.82KB 2 more pics to do, the upload is v slow though atm __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

08-05-2004, 15:18	#10
Beam c00l b33r Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beat 'm up Scotty!. Lives in the Lands that are Nether. Posts: 5,094	Can someone post a link to the relevant CFC thread? I know CFC is down but it may be a good read next week. __________________ That was a pretty good gamble. -- Scotty, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2821.5, Episode 14 Linux never looked this good!

07-05-2004, 20:30	#3
microbe Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: . Posts: 4	heihei

07-05-2004, 20:47	#4
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	Hi microbe! Nice to have a supporter

08-05-2004, 02:33	#5
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08-05-2004, 06:32	#6
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	Welcome Greebly

08-05-2004, 14:43	#8
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	I believe Greebly is up now? I think that we still got the two techs relatively cheap from India. It would have been nice if they were killed by Sumeria for a lot of reasons, but it is still a nice deal. I can imagine the steal attempt. Should we have succeeded then that could have been a great boost. Further comments will follow after seeing the pics and save