Teaching Matrix Civ3: Succession game - Page 24

Col.Tarleton · 05-05-2004, 16:57

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quote:Originally posted by Beam

Looking forward to your report Banzai! Does everybody agree we will pick Atomic Theory and Electronics from the ToE btw?

Agreed.

Col.Tarleton · 05-05-2004, 17:32

Nice turn,Beam

I think that the team would agree that this game is in the bag so should we go the Banzai route,Commie,Pinko,fairy type govrnment plus SPHQ?This would be a new aproach for me and more interesting.I've never won any game by conquest,what say that as an objective?
I think we should peel a worker off any size 12 city with a full food box to get more workers.
Perhaps buid up Shantung,Hangchow,Edo,Xinjian using cash rushes to get some cities capable of producing a navy.
The 2 lux that we're short are being traded amongst our rivals,try to get them when the inevitable war between them breaks out.
Brennus has no coal and it could well be that Henry becomes our main foe.
I think that once TOE is in the bag we should start a massive cash rush programme,wait for tanks and then put ourselves about a bit.

Banzai · 05-05-2004, 19:00

0: 1150 AD
Trade electicity to Henry for WM, Communism, 46 gpt and his entire treasury.... 1 gold.
Brennus is also willing to give his entire treasury for Electricity!!
Unfortunately it is as big as the treasury of Henry. No thanks!
I can not trade Coal to Brennus because he has it!

IBT.
Palace expands twice!

1: 1160 AD
We are working on the rail road...
Free Artistry, iron and horses to Carthage for Wines, 6 gpt, 20 gold and WM.
Portugal has The Corporation!

IBT.
horses to Henry for 14 gpt, 12 gold and WM

2: 1170 AD
We learn medicine, start Scientific method.. ready in 5.
Brennus has Fascism. good for him.
Henry wants medicine, 20 gpt and 1000 gold for The Corporation. tsk tsk!

IBT.
Shaka does not want to pay for Saltpeter anymore! You'll have to do without dude!

3: 1180 AD
We are working on the rail road...
Saltpeter to Carhage for 6gpt, 20 gold and WM.

4: 1190 AD
I manage to increase the shield output of Beijing to the magic number... 49!

IBT.
Polution strikes Beijing!
I missed a riot at Seattle.. oops!

5: 1200 AD
Brennus gives us 49 gpt for Electricity! Thanks!
Henry pays 11 gpt and 140 gold for Incense.
Hannibal pays 4 gpt and 15 gold for Silks.
We are RICH RICH RICH !!

IBT.
Celts start universal suffrage.

6: 1210 AD
We are working on the rail road...

7: 1220 AD
We learn scientific method.
Beijing is set to build TOE, due in 4 turns!
In 4 turns we can research at 100%:
- Facism (owned by Brennus and Henry)
- The Corporation (owned by Henry)
- Ironclads
- Sanitation
- Espionage.

In 4 turns at 90%:
- The Corporation
- Espionage
- Sanitation

Henry will sell us The Corporation for Medicine and 794 gold (we have 1745)

I will continue later.
Suggestions?

Banzai!

Beam · 05-05-2004, 19:51

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quote:We are RICH RICH RICH !!

You are not ready for Communism you capitalistic imperialistic bourgeois pig!

We will get any of the 4 turn techs just after we build the ToE and none of them is worth the ToE. Instead we can start researching one of them, buy them at reduced cost in turn 3, switch to AT and bingo. In that case all 3 90% 4t techs have their charms:
- Corporation is on the road to Tanks
- Espionage allows Intel and SPH
- Sanitation allows Hospitals and growth

Of these three the only one that is secure for sale is The Corp and therefore is my fav.

The alternative is to set research to 0% and cash in but since we seem to be philty rich I don't think it is necc.

How is the prebuild for Hoovers btw?

And I'd like to discuss the timing for Rep > Comm as well. Imo we should be well on our way to Hoovers and a prebuild for SPH running. Main advantages of Comm. for us are the evenly spread corruption and waste allowing specially the NW to build up faster and no WW, so good for warmonging. Downside is that we will lose commerce and our core becoming less productive. Not sure what courthouses and police stations do to improve that, but that is part of the experiment.

EDIT: an alternative is delaying ToE 1 turn in turn 3 and research one of the three techs that help us, switch to AT and build ToE 5 turns from now. In that case I opt for either Sanitation or Espionage because there is a good chance these can be traded for The Corp.

Banzai · 05-05-2004, 22:28

The money is for the people of course!

It takes 4 turn to research and 4 turn to build the TOE. The research will finish first so there is no reason to delay the build!
I'll pick Espionage as it is needed for SPHQ and we can trade for The Corporation.

Banzai!

Matrix · 05-05-2004, 23:00

Espionage takes a lot less flasks than Electronics, so I really think we should go for Electronics with ToE and not Espionage.

Banzai · 05-05-2004, 23:38

7: 1220 AD continued
We will research Espionage in 4 turns and finish it right before TOE is build.
TOE will then give us Atomic Theory and Electronics!

IBT
Silks and Gems to Henry for 37 gpt and 10 gold

8: 1230 AD
We are working on the rail road...
Beam mentioned a prebuild for Hoover.. I didn't find one when I started.
When I look at our best city Chengdu is number 2 with 30 shields with factory after corruption.
Beijing has 49 shields.
Hoover needs 800 shields, so Beijing will build it from scratch in 17. 3 turns to go for TOE, so 20 turns from now.
Chengu will build it from scratch in 27.
If I had rushed the factory in turn 1 I could have equalized.
But I did not rush the factory in turn 1...
Conclusion: we do not have a prebuild for Hoover! Beijing will build it.

9: 1240 AD
Henry has Replaceable Parts!
Brennus can pay 71 gpt for Medicine.

10: 1250 AD
TOE will finish next turn.
Espionage will finish first (IBT)!!!

Tarly, make sure you pick Atomic Theory and Electronics next! The TOE will research both of them.
Kyoto can be a shield powerhouse with a police station after the factory!
We can buy The Corporation from Henry for Medicine, Furs, WM and 400 gold.
I think Brennus is researching Medicine as he wants to pay less now.
Maybe we should make this deal before Brennus does it.

Good luck!
Banzai!

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Col.Tarleton · 06-05-2004, 16:12

Matrix 1250 AD E.O.T.
IT. I intend to spend money like a drunken sailor.
Espionage in.
Beijing builds Theory of Evolution.
Atomic theory and Electronics chosen.
Sanitation in 6 @ 323/t.
Beijing->coal plant.

Turn 1. 1255 AD.
Trade Henry-Rep parts+WM+12/t+10G for Espionage+Sci method+WM
Trade Brennus-Corporation for Espionage+Sci Meth.
Henry will give 98/t for AT.
All the others are skint.
Buy 5 off C.H.+6 off Harbours+1 Aqueduct for 1424G.

IT.
Shaka-5/T for horses.
Hannibal-Gems deal cancelled.
Various builds,will skim workers where possible.

Turn 2. 1260 A.D.
buys-100G
Buy Coal Plant at Beijing for 444G.
will track Henry for A.T.deal giving only GPT.
Henry-100/T.-A.T.

I.T.
Beijing builds Coal Plant->66SPT->Hoover Dam in 13.
Brennus-Spices for Gems+Furs+10/t.

Turn 3. 1265AD.
Buy 2 off C.H.+1 Temple for 252G.
Railing military network in S.E.
Henry 106/T->A.T.

I.T.
Various builds.

Turn 4. 1270 AD.
Buys-2 off C.H for 222G.
Henry 138/T->A.T.

I.T.
That cheeky bastard Brennus demands silks.I cave,don't want my peacefull expansion compromised.

Turn 5. 1275 AD.
Henry-150/T->A.T.
various builds.

I.T.
Builds-2 off temples+factory+bank+granary+harbour.

Turn 6. 1280 AD.
Henry-158/T->AT.
Sanitation in 1 @ 460/T.

I.T.
Sanitation in,Radio in 8 @ +20/t.
Builds-Coal plant+Police station+harbour+Rax.

Turn 7. 1285 AD.
Henry-174/T-> A.T.
Radio in 9 @ 246/T.
Trade Henry-W.M.+137/T+290G.He has 37/T left.
Sanitation is not even worth Fascism from Brennus so he can go fuck spiders.

Buy 3 off C.H. + 1 Library for 852G.

I.T.
Builds-3 off C.H.+1 Mkt+1 Library+1 University.

Turn 8. 1290A.D.
Buy Trondheim a Market for 336G.
Henry-37/T->A.T.

I.T.
Henry declares war on his old mucker Brennus.It had to happen sooner or later.
Builds-2 off Rax + 1 Mkt + 1 Coal Plant.I won't be starting any more Coal Plants as Hoovers is just around the corner.

Turn 9. 1295 A.D.
Henry offers Dies + Fascism + W.M. + 20G for A.T.Seems he's lost payments from Brennus.
Brennus (who's now in the money)can pay Fascism + 134/T for A.T.or 51/T for sanitation.
Buy 2 off Mkt for 704G.
Radio in 8 @ 434/T.

I.T.
Build 2 off Mkts.

Turn 10. 1300 A.D.
Radio in 8 @ 380 /T.some payment lost.
3 off Factories complete next turn.
Hoover in 6 turns.
There are 2 deals on the table-
Henry- Refining + 38/T for A.T.
Brennus-63/T for Sanitation.
We still have A.T. and Electronics @ monopoly and we have 5 Arts + 32 workers + circa 24 slaves.
I spent approx 4234G and skimmed 8 workers.

Col.Tarleton · 06-05-2004, 16:44

It doesn't seem to want to upload my save.Is there a limit to the size of file?

Col.Tarleton · 06-05-2004, 17:11

Try again with firewall disabled.
The save.

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05-05-2004, 17:32	#232
Col.Tarleton Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent,UK. Posts: 298	Nice turn,Beam I think that the team would agree that this game is in the bag so should we go the Banzai route,Commie,Pinko,fairy type govrnment plus SPHQ?This would be a new aproach for me and more interesting.I've never won any game by conquest,what say that as an objective? I think we should peel a worker off any size 12 city with a full food box to get more workers. Perhaps buid up Shantung,Hangchow,Edo,Xinjian using cash rushes to get some cities capable of producing a navy. The 2 lux that we're short are being traded amongst our rivals,try to get them when the inevitable war between them breaks out. Brennus has no coal and it could well be that Henry becomes our main foe. I think that once TOE is in the bag we should start a massive cash rush programme,wait for tanks and then put ourselves about a bit. __________________ Basil!!!!!

05-05-2004, 19:00	#233
Banzai Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 1,226	0: 1150 AD Trade electicity to Henry for WM, Communism, 46 gpt and his entire treasury.... 1 gold. Brennus is also willing to give his entire treasury for Electricity!! Unfortunately it is as big as the treasury of Henry. No thanks! I can not trade Coal to Brennus because he has it! IBT. Palace expands twice! 1: 1160 AD We are working on the rail road... Free Artistry, iron and horses to Carthage for Wines, 6 gpt, 20 gold and WM. Portugal has The Corporation! IBT. horses to Henry for 14 gpt, 12 gold and WM 2: 1170 AD We learn medicine, start Scientific method.. ready in 5. Brennus has Fascism. good for him. Henry wants medicine, 20 gpt and 1000 gold for The Corporation. tsk tsk! IBT. Shaka does not want to pay for Saltpeter anymore! You'll have to do without dude! 3: 1180 AD We are working on the rail road... Saltpeter to Carhage for 6gpt, 20 gold and WM. 4: 1190 AD I manage to increase the shield output of Beijing to the magic number... 49! IBT. Polution strikes Beijing! I missed a riot at Seattle.. oops! 5: 1200 AD Brennus gives us 49 gpt for Electricity! Thanks! Henry pays 11 gpt and 140 gold for Incense. Hannibal pays 4 gpt and 15 gold for Silks. We are RICH RICH RICH !! IBT. Celts start universal suffrage. 6: 1210 AD We are working on the rail road... 7: 1220 AD We learn scientific method. Beijing is set to build TOE, due in 4 turns! In 4 turns we can research at 100%: - Facism (owned by Brennus and Henry) - The Corporation (owned by Henry) - Ironclads - Sanitation - Espionage. In 4 turns at 90%: - The Corporation - Espionage - Sanitation Henry will sell us The Corporation for Medicine and 794 gold (we have 1745) I will continue later. Suggestions? Banzai! __________________ I see your face when I am dreaming. That\'s why I always wakeup screaming.

05-05-2004, 22:28	#235
Banzai Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 1,226	The money is for the people of course! It takes 4 turn to research and 4 turn to build the TOE. The research will finish first so there is no reason to delay the build! I'll pick Espionage as it is needed for SPHQ and we can trade for The Corporation. Banzai! __________________ I see your face when I am dreaming. That\'s why I always wakeup screaming.

05-05-2004, 23:00	#236
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	Espionage takes a lot less flasks than Electronics, so I really think we should go for Electronics with ToE and not Espionage. __________________

05-05-2004, 23:38	#237
Banzai Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 1,226	7: 1220 AD continued We will research Espionage in 4 turns and finish it right before TOE is build. TOE will then give us Atomic Theory and Electronics! IBT Silks and Gems to Henry for 37 gpt and 10 gold 8: 1230 AD We are working on the rail road... Beam mentioned a prebuild for Hoover.. I didn't find one when I started. When I look at our best city Chengdu is number 2 with 30 shields with factory after corruption. Beijing has 49 shields. Hoover needs 800 shields, so Beijing will build it from scratch in 17. 3 turns to go for TOE, so 20 turns from now. Chengu will build it from scratch in 27. If I had rushed the factory in turn 1 I could have equalized. But I did not rush the factory in turn 1... Conclusion: we do not have a prebuild for Hoover! Beijing will build it. 9: 1240 AD Henry has Replaceable Parts! Brennus can pay 71 gpt for Medicine. 10: 1250 AD TOE will finish next turn. Espionage will finish first (IBT)!!! Tarly, make sure you pick Atomic Theory and Electronics next! The TOE will research both of them. Kyoto can be a shield powerhouse with a police station after the factory! We can buy The Corporation from Henry for Medicine, Furs, WM and 400 gold. I think Brennus is researching Medicine as he wants to pay less now. Maybe we should make this deal before Brennus does it. Good luck! Banzai! Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] ChineseMatrix1250AD.SAV 246.12*KB __________________ I see your face when I am dreaming. That\'s why I always wakeup screaming.

06-05-2004, 16:12	#238
Col.Tarleton Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent,UK. Posts: 298	Matrix 1250 AD E.O.T. IT. I intend to spend money like a drunken sailor. Espionage in. Beijing builds Theory of Evolution. Atomic theory and Electronics chosen. Sanitation in 6 @ 323/t. Beijing->coal plant. Turn 1. 1255 AD. Trade Henry-Rep parts+WM+12/t+10G for Espionage+Sci method+WM Trade Brennus-Corporation for Espionage+Sci Meth. Henry will give 98/t for AT. All the others are skint. Buy 5 off C.H.+6 off Harbours+1 Aqueduct for 1424G. IT. Shaka-5/T for horses. Hannibal-Gems deal cancelled. Various builds,will skim workers where possible. Turn 2. 1260 A.D. buys-100G Buy Coal Plant at Beijing for 444G. will track Henry for A.T.deal giving only GPT. Henry-100/T.-A.T. I.T. Beijing builds Coal Plant->66SPT->Hoover Dam in 13. Brennus-Spices for Gems+Furs+10/t. Turn 3. 1265AD. Buy 2 off C.H.+1 Temple for 252G. Railing military network in S.E. Henry 106/T->A.T. I.T. Various builds. Turn 4. 1270 AD. Buys-2 off C.H for 222G. Henry 138/T->A.T. I.T. That cheeky bastard Brennus demands silks.I cave,don't want my peacefull expansion compromised. Turn 5. 1275 AD. Henry-150/T->A.T. various builds. I.T. Builds-2 off temples+factory+bank+granary+harbour. Turn 6. 1280 AD. Henry-158/T->AT. Sanitation in 1 @ 460/T. I.T. Sanitation in,Radio in 8 @ +20/t. Builds-Coal plant+Police station+harbour+Rax. Turn 7. 1285 AD. Henry-174/T-> A.T. Radio in 9 @ 246/T. Trade Henry-W.M.+137/T+290G.He has 37/T left. Sanitation is not even worth Fascism from Brennus so he can go fuck spiders. Buy 3 off C.H. + 1 Library for 852G. I.T. Builds-3 off C.H.+1 Mkt+1 Library+1 University. Turn 8. 1290A.D. Buy Trondheim a Market for 336G. Henry-37/T->A.T. I.T. Henry declares war on his old mucker Brennus.It had to happen sooner or later. Builds-2 off Rax + 1 Mkt + 1 Coal Plant.I won't be starting any more Coal Plants as Hoovers is just around the corner. Turn 9. 1295 A.D. Henry offers Dies + Fascism + W.M. + 20G for A.T.Seems he's lost payments from Brennus. Brennus (who's now in the money)can pay Fascism + 134/T for A.T.or 51/T for sanitation. Buy 2 off Mkt for 704G. Radio in 8 @ 434/T. I.T. Build 2 off Mkts. Turn 10. 1300 A.D. Radio in 8 @ 380 /T.some payment lost. 3 off Factories complete next turn. Hoover in 6 turns. There are 2 deals on the table- Henry- Refining + 38/T for A.T. Brennus-63/T for Sanitation. We still have A.T. and Electronics @ monopoly and we have 5 Arts + 32 workers + circa 24 slaves. I spent approx 4234G and skimmed 8 workers. __________________ Basil!!!!!

06-05-2004, 16:44	#239
Col.Tarleton Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent,UK. Posts: 298	It doesn't seem to want to upload my save.Is there a limit to the size of file? __________________ Basil!!!!!

06-05-2004, 17:11	#240
Col.Tarleton Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kent,UK. Posts: 298	Try again with firewall disabled. The save. Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] maoMatrix1300.sav 256.04KB How's about that then folks __________________ Basil!!!!!