Reload counter

anarres · 12-03-2003, 15:22

I intend to research in to how to find the reload counter in PTW.

With this in hand, it will be trivial to validate PBEM games for the infinite reload bug.

Whilst I trust everyone I am playing, it can't hurt to validate all PBEM games this way, and it may bring reassurance to some people.

Lt. Killer M · 12-03-2003, 15:28

Good idea!

If you want I can do a few test file for you (i.e. I know which has reloads and which not) so you can test your method (I hope you do find the right counter).....

ERIKK · 12-03-2003, 15:42

I expect Cracker already to have this. In season 5 will probably get his tool again, with the latest PTW's updates in it.

Melifluous · 12-03-2003, 16:41

Hmm you can already unpack a civ3ptw game using a tool called savexpnd.exe in the Civ3Multitool.

You cant repack it again after amending it, but at least you can see what is going on inside the save file...

Melifluous

Shabbaman · 13-03-2003, 12:31

The problem with all reload tools is that some people don't have much options. I wouldn't cheat (read: reload for the purpose of cheating) but here at the University my computer crashes EVERY TIME I open a save. I've had some pretty strange turns where I was suddenly playing the other player's turn.

At home, btw, I don't have any problems with crashes. Maybe I/you could/should make a log of each reload.

Lt. Killer M · 13-03-2003, 13:18

I guess most people will accidently do it once in a while when turns get longer; I did it in the Shabba game: simply forgot it was PBEM, saved, then left to luch. On coming back i reloaded

I told Shabba, he did it once, too - things were fine.

the problem is excessive reloading - and that will show anyways

Shabbaman · 13-03-2003, 13:59

Wait: what are we talking about? The thing you told me about (extreme form of cheating) or just reloading (as in 'playing the turn from the beginning') Multiple turns of production in one turn should show in the cultural histograph btw: I take it that you get additional culture as well.

Or am I telling something I shouldn't have?

Lt. Killer M · 13-03-2003, 14:12

Shabba: I meant that it may happen once or twice in a game that ou accidently get the additional prod, and I guess when tursn get longer and you have lots to do noone is safe from a reflexive 'safe, eat, load'; only realizing whta happened alter....

if you do it to a significant extent i think it WILL show in the F8 screen

anarres · 13-03-2003, 14:41

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

Multiple turns of production in one turn should show in the cultural histograph btw: I take it that you get additional culture as well.

This is what I meant, and thanks for the advice, I never thought to look in the F8 culture screen

Melifluous · 13-03-2003, 14:48

There is no reason to suggest why culture should go up if this cheat is being used. What has culture got to do with shield production?

Shield production is the thing that keeps refreshing, movement does not, for example.

Dont feel embarrassed anarres, this is NOT a reasonable assumption...

Melifluous

12-03-2003, 15:22	#1
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	Reload counter I intend to research in to how to find the reload counter in PTW. With this in hand, it will be trivial to validate PBEM games for the infinite reload bug. Whilst I trust everyone I am playing, it can't hurt to validate all PBEM games this way, and it may bring reassurance to some people. __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

12-03-2003, 15:28	#2
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	Good idea! If you want I can do a few test file for you (i.e. I know which has reloads and which not) so you can test your method (I hope you do find the right counter)..... __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

12-03-2003, 16:41	#4
Melifluous Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the bar with SF. Posts: 3,024	Hmm you can already unpack a civ3ptw game using a tool called savexpnd.exe in the Civ3Multitool. You cant repack it again after amending it, but at least you can see what is going on inside the save file... Melifluous __________________ Isn't it awfully nice to have a penis? Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong? It's swell to have a stiffy, It's divine to own a dick. From the tiniest little tadger To the world's biggest prick! So three cheers for your willy or John Thomas. Hooray for your one-eyed trousers snake.

13-03-2003, 12:31	#5
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	The problem with all reload tools is that some people don't have much options. I wouldn't cheat (read: reload for the purpose of cheating) but here at the University my computer crashes EVERY TIME I open a save. I've had some pretty strange turns where I was suddenly playing the other player's turn. At home, btw, I don't have any problems with crashes. Maybe I/you could/should make a log of each reload. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

13-03-2003, 13:18	#6
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	I guess most people will accidently do it once in a while when turns get longer; I did it in the Shabba game: simply forgot it was PBEM, saved, then left to luch. On coming back i reloaded I told Shabba, he did it once, too - things were fine. the problem is excessive reloading - and that will show anyways __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

12-03-2003, 15:42	#3
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	I expect Cracker already to have this. In season 5 will probably get his tool again, with the latest PTW's updates in it.

13-03-2003, 13:59	#7
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	Wait: what are we talking about? The thing you told me about (extreme form of cheating) or just reloading (as in 'playing the turn from the beginning') Multiple turns of production in one turn should show in the cultural histograph btw: I take it that you get additional culture as well. Or am I telling something I shouldn't have? __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

13-03-2003, 14:12	#8
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	Shabba: I meant that it may happen once or twice in a game that ou accidently get the additional prod, and I guess when tursn get longer and you have lots to do noone is safe from a reflexive 'safe, eat, load'; only realizing whta happened alter.... if you do it to a significant extent i think it WILL show in the F8 screen __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

13-03-2003, 14:48	#10
Melifluous Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In the bar with SF. Posts: 3,024	There is no reason to suggest why culture should go up if this cheat is being used. What has culture got to do with shield production? Shield production is the thing that keeps refreshing, movement does not, for example. Dont feel embarrassed anarres, this is NOT a reasonable assumption... Melifluous __________________ Isn't it awfully nice to have a penis? Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong? It's swell to have a stiffy, It's divine to own a dick. From the tiniest little tadger To the world's biggest prick! So three cheers for your willy or John Thomas. Hooray for your one-eyed trousers snake.