[SPOILER] 4 Vs 4 Locked Alliance - A Pression Game

Wosret · 23-04-2006, 03:55

SO on. the game is in discussion atm, but im puting it up for the possibility of my team want to discuss something here.

About the Civs, the first thing i noticed is that whomp asked for a 3/4 sea distancy of the continents.
And from this i just wonder for a way to take the early control of the seas, and thinked about Bizantines, dromom will rulez for a long. and if you choose a high impact attack unique units we may have a great combo.

What do you think about mates?

barbu1977 · 24-04-2006, 03:49

Singning in...

I agree, Biz will rock on this king of map.

Anyway's looks like we'll pick the other team civs not our own. Looks like we'll see americans, germans and english. we may also want to pick very early UU like egypt.

Wosret · 24-04-2006, 05:06

About english we must take care, because if the game take too long, Man o War will be an issue to deal off.

And i think we'll really have pick the other team civs not our own.

I forgot to say, there are 4 teams now, sow the task is harder, because the treads cant match.

Ill think some thing good to post about it. hehehehe

killercane · 24-04-2006, 05:56

So we are picking the other teams civs? They will need all different traits.... Germany... Portugal..... thats mil/sci/exp/sea. Leaves agr, com, ind, and rel. Then Ghandi and Maya? That still gives them a few good civs to play as, but only one useful UU.

Wosret · 24-04-2006, 06:12

well, i got some different options, i did an excel archive:

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And in Chat with whomp he said he got that combo i showing up there, and the first i thought with celts.

Lets choose ^^

EDIT:

ops, it cant be french / maya

classical_hero · 24-04-2006, 15:11

EDIT. I was starting to think that we choose our own civs. Whoops. There are some good options that we could have. Now I have some things that they could be.

Egpyt Ind Rel
Hittites Com Exp
Sumeria Sci Agr
Scandinavia Sea Mil

Only one good UU in this lot, but it is a good one.

Egpyt Ind Rel
Zululand/Mongols Exp Mil
Greece/Korea Sci Com
Dutch Agr Sea

America Ind Exp
Aztecs Mil Rel
England Com Sea
Sumeria Agr Sci

What do people think of these choices for them?

killercane · 24-04-2006, 16:40

This is a complicated calculus. Nice chart btw CH, makes it easier on everybody. Sumeria might be a pain if they decide to just spam some suicide EWs to pillage our lands.

I dont think we will end up picking the exact same teams. Definitely I dont like giving them Scandinavia.

Inca is the worst agr civ, useless UU and a useless exp trait. +Carthage, Korea, and Japan? I cant see any way to cut it without giving them a good AA/MA UU.

Mistfit · 24-04-2006, 16:58

Whomp willingly chose Japan for a PBEM I am in with him.

killercane · 24-04-2006, 21:07

Looks like hey have our civs selected. We have as possibilities:

Egpyt Ind Rel
Hittites Com Exp
Sumeria Sci Agr
Scandinavia Sea Mil

Egpyt Ind Rel
Zululand/Mongols Exp Mil
Greece/Korea Sci Com
Dutch Agr Sea

America Ind Exp
Aztecs Mil Rel
England Com Sea
Sumeria Agr Sci

Maya (or France + Celts, Iro+Egypt, ugh)
India
_____
Portugal
Germany

Carthage
Korea
Japan
Inca

barbu1977 · 24-04-2006, 21:38

IMHO Samurai would be a great UU in this game. Also, I think Korean canons could be deadly.
We also cannot pick Japan, as it is the only way the other team will have the wheel in their stating techs.

I've made a list of useless UU (in no particular order):
(EXP-AGR) Inca's Chasqui scout
(EXP-IND) America's F15
(SCI-MIL) German Panzer
(MIL-AGR) Aztec Jaguar Warrior
(MIL-EXP)Zulu's Impi
(SCI-REL)Babylon's Bowman

And those that are not realy damagable
(SEA-REL) Spanish conquistador
(AGR-SCI) Sumerian's E-man
(SEA-IND) Cartage Nubian Merc.
(EXP-COM) Hittite's 3 man charior
(IND-REL) Egypt's War Charriot

Those that realy depend:
(IND-AGR) Mayan Javelin
(EXP-MIL) Mongolian Keshik
(EXP-REL) Arabian Ansar
(SCI-IND) Ottoman's Sipahi
(EXP-SEA) Postugeese Carrack

Those that are bad:
(SCI-COM) Greek hoplite
(MIL-COM) Roman Legion
(IND-SCI) Persian Immortal
(REL-AGR) Celts Galeic
(SEA-AGR) Dutch Swiss Merc.
(COM-IND) French Musket
(REL-COM) India's War Elephant
(MIL-IND) Chineese Rider
(EXP-SCI) Russian Cossack
(SEA-COM) English Man-O-War
(SCI-COM) Korean Hwach'a

Those we should never face:
(COM-AGR) Iro MW
(MIL-SEA) Viking Beserk
(MIL-REL) Japan's Samurai
(SEA-SCI) Biz Dromon

I'll try to put that in excell to find someting.

BTW Does anyone knows if the Mongol Keshik ingnores mountain also when attacking a unit on a mountain?

EDIT: Xpost with KillerCane

23-04-2006, 03:55	#1
Wosret Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brazil. Posts: 194	[SPOILER] 4 Vs 4 Locked Alliance - A Pression Game SO on. the game is in discussion atm, but im puting it up for the possibility of my team want to discuss something here. About the Civs, the first thing i noticed is that whomp asked for a 3/4 sea distancy of the continents. And from this i just wonder for a way to take the early control of the seas, and thinked about Bizantines, dromom will rulez for a long. and if you choose a high impact attack unique units we may have a great combo. What do you think about mates?

24-04-2006, 03:49	#2
barbu1977 Emperor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Blame Canada!. Posts: 3,501	Singning in... I agree, Biz will rock on this king of map. Anyway's looks like we'll pick the other team civs not our own. Looks like we'll see americans, germans and english. we may also want to pick very early UU like egypt. __________________ Postcount = Postcount + 1; //Postcount++

24-04-2006, 16:58	#8
Mistfit King Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: idunno. Posts: 2,428	Whomp willingly chose Japan for a PBEM I am in with him. __________________ Stumbling from pillar to post...

24-04-2006, 21:38	#10
barbu1977 Emperor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Blame Canada!. Posts: 3,501	IMHO Samurai would be a great UU in this game. Also, I think Korean canons could be deadly. We also cannot pick Japan, as it is the only way the other team will have the wheel in their stating techs. I've made a list of useless UU (in no particular order): (EXP-AGR) Inca's Chasqui scout (EXP-IND) America's F15 (SCI-MIL) German Panzer (MIL-AGR) Aztec Jaguar Warrior (MIL-EXP)Zulu's Impi (SCI-REL)Babylon's Bowman And those that are not realy damagable (SEA-REL) Spanish conquistador (AGR-SCI) Sumerian's E-man (SEA-IND) Cartage Nubian Merc. (EXP-COM) Hittite's 3 man charior (IND-REL) Egypt's War Charriot Those that realy depend: (IND-AGR) Mayan Javelin (EXP-MIL) Mongolian Keshik (EXP-REL) Arabian Ansar (SCI-IND) Ottoman's Sipahi (EXP-SEA) Postugeese Carrack Those that are bad: (SCI-COM) Greek hoplite (MIL-COM) Roman Legion (IND-SCI) Persian Immortal (REL-AGR) Celts Galeic (SEA-AGR) Dutch Swiss Merc. (COM-IND) French Musket (REL-COM) India's War Elephant (MIL-IND) Chineese Rider (EXP-SCI) Russian Cossack (SEA-COM) English Man-O-War (SCI-COM) Korean Hwach'a Those we should never face: (COM-AGR) Iro MW (MIL-SEA) Viking Beserk (MIL-REL) Japan's Samurai (SEA-SCI) Biz Dromon I'll try to put that in excell to find someting. BTW Does anyone knows if the Mongol Keshik ingnores mountain also when attacking a unit on a mountain? EDIT: Xpost with KillerCane __________________ Postcount = Postcount + 1; //Postcount++

24-04-2006, 05:06	#3
Wosret Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brazil. Posts: 194	About english we must take care, because if the game take too long, Man o War will be an issue to deal off. And i think we'll really have pick the other team civs not our own. I forgot to say, there are 4 teams now, sow the task is harder, because the treads cant match. Ill think some thing good to post about it. hehehehe

24-04-2006, 05:56	#4
killercane Prince Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 959	So we are picking the other teams civs? They will need all different traits.... Germany... Portugal..... thats mil/sci/exp/sea. Leaves agr, com, ind, and rel. Then Ghandi and Maya? That still gives them a few good civs to play as, but only one useful UU.

24-04-2006, 06:12	#5
Wosret Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brazil. Posts: 194	well, i got some different options, i did an excel archive: 56.29 KB And in Chat with whomp he said he got that combo i showing up there, and the first i thought with celts. Lets choose ^^ EDIT: ops, it cant be french / maya

24-04-2006, 15:11	#6
classical_hero Warlord Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perth, Australia. Posts: 443	EDIT. I was starting to think that we choose our own civs. Whoops. There are some good options that we could have. Now I have some things that they could be. Egpyt Ind Rel Hittites Com Exp Sumeria Sci Agr Scandinavia Sea Mil Only one good UU in this lot, but it is a good one. Egpyt Ind Rel Zululand/Mongols Exp Mil Greece/Korea Sci Com Dutch Agr Sea America Ind Exp Aztecs Mil Rel England Com Sea Sumeria Agr Sci What do people think of these choices for them?

24-04-2006, 16:40	#7
killercane Prince Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 959	This is a complicated calculus. Nice chart btw CH, makes it easier on everybody. Sumeria might be a pain if they decide to just spam some suicide EWs to pillage our lands. I dont think we will end up picking the exact same teams. Definitely I dont like giving them Scandinavia. Inca is the worst agr civ, useless UU and a useless exp trait. +Carthage, Korea, and Japan? I cant see any way to cut it without giving them a good AA/MA UU.

24-04-2006, 21:07	#9
killercane Prince Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 959	Looks like hey have our civs selected. We have as possibilities: Egpyt Ind Rel Hittites Com Exp Sumeria Sci Agr Scandinavia Sea Mil Egpyt Ind Rel Zululand/Mongols Exp Mil Greece/Korea Sci Com Dutch Agr Sea America Ind Exp Aztecs Mil Rel England Com Sea Sumeria Agr Sci Maya (or France + Celts, Iro+Egypt, ugh) India _____ Portugal Germany Carthage Korea Japan Inca