Crusader Kings - Page 2

Matrix · 15-12-2015, 14:03

I got my brother (Nitro, if anyone recalls) hooked on this game as well.

He started as Sweden on this game. Easy difficulty, not ironmode. But still impressive how far he got!

Shabbaman · 15-12-2015, 23:18

Impressive... but more so because I wonder how he can stand the boredom. Once you get to Empire-sized err... empires, my games tend to crawl to their death. By that time you can have a large income to fund a huge retinue, and the game just can't cope with large retinues.

Matrix · 22-12-2015, 13:14

I guess the thrill is just to get your empire as big as possible, to see how far you can reach before 1543AD.

I didn't get you about retinues.
Retinues are handy for quick conquest, because you can position them before you declare war. But no matter how big your income is, they suck up *huge* amounts of money to restrengthen! I played as Suomi/Finland/Scandinavia and changed from tribalism to merchant republic after reforming suomenusko, but still with an empire 1/3 the size as this one, I couldn't restrengthen my retinue at full speed after I used it, or I'd run into a deficit.

Shabbaman · 25-12-2015, 10:22

But there's not much to do with gold that's worth spending it on besides retinues. Retinues aren't cheap, but if you're at war continuously you'd end up with a bunch of very unhappy vassals (because of the raised levies penalty). So you tell me what's cheaper... and add to that that retinues is the only way to get a high number high quality troops (knights and heavies), which can save you a lot of casualties compared to regular levies.

If retinues are too costly, try lowering the reinforce speed. Or perhaps your retinue is too large, hard to tell from here

Matrix · 28-12-2015, 18:37

I had a huge retinue.

And indeed, if they all needed to recharge, I could still do that at half speed.

Shabbaman · 29-12-2015, 10:19

Trying to compensate something with that retinue size?

Matrix · 01-01-2016, 22:24

Yes and no. Being a merchant republic, your own army is smaller than if you were a feudal rules. But no, because why would I not go to the maximum retinue? It's a one time investment that doesn't cost (or hardly costs) anything if you don't use it.

Or would I have been compensating something else?

Shabbaman · 27-02-2016, 15:11

I started a new game as Hvitserk of Jorvik. At some point I'm fighting the king of Wessex for control of London. Sometimes in CK2 you just need some time to browse family trees, so I discover my advisary and his wife have the great pox. How convenient. I decide to figure out if this pox has spread, so I check the court of his ally, the king of Mercia. Now, while my army was on the way to London it had sacked Tamsworth, seat of the king of Mercia. While I discover that the king of Mercia doesn't have the great pox but is merely stressed, I also discover that apparently I hold his wife, the queen of Mercia, captive in my prison. Quelle suprise! And to top that off, I'm also holding his three daughters.

A sane man would've ransomed them, but I'm a viking. Concubines, concubines everywhere!

Socrates · 28-02-2016, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shabbaman

Quelle suprise!

Quote:

A sane man would've ransomed them, but I'm a viking. Concubines, concubines everywhere!

Wise (Shabba)man!

Shabbaman · 28-02-2016, 23:11

Since you're so interested in the concubines part, a minor update from the court of Jorvik. While furthering my quest to snatch Middlesex from the west saxons, I noticed that they managed to marry their heir to a East Francian princess. Yes, a real Karling (fun fact: in the original CK2 start there's only a single Karling left). Guess what came out of that hole when I captured their castle: an eighteen year old Karling, plus the queen of Wessex.

This game really makes you wonder why people stopped being viking

15-12-2015, 23:18	#12
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,492	Impressive... but more so because I wonder how he can stand the boredom. Once you get to Empire-sized err... empires, my games tend to crawl to their death. By that time you can have a large income to fund a huge retinue, and the game just can't cope with large retinues. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

22-12-2015, 13:14	#13
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,827	I guess the thrill is just to get your empire as big as possible, to see how far you can reach before 1543AD. I didn't get you about retinues. Retinues are handy for quick conquest, because you can position them before you declare war. But no matter how big your income is, they suck up huge amounts of money to restrengthen! I played as Suomi/Finland/Scandinavia and changed from tribalism to merchant republic after reforming suomenusko, but still with an empire 1/3 the size as this one, I couldn't restrengthen my retinue at full speed after I used it, or I'd run into a deficit. __________________

25-12-2015, 10:22	#14
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,492	But there's not much to do with gold that's worth spending it on besides retinues. Retinues aren't cheap, but if you're at war continuously you'd end up with a bunch of very unhappy vassals (because of the raised levies penalty). So you tell me what's cheaper... and add to that that retinues is the only way to get a high number high quality troops (knights and heavies), which can save you a lot of casualties compared to regular levies. If retinues are too costly, try lowering the reinforce speed. Or perhaps your retinue is too large, hard to tell from here __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

28-12-2015, 18:37	#15
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,827	I had a huge retinue. And indeed, if they all needed to recharge, I could still do that at half speed. __________________

29-12-2015, 10:19	#16
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,492	Trying to compensate something with that retinue size? __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

01-01-2016, 22:24	#17
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,827	Yes and no. Being a merchant republic, your own army is smaller than if you were a feudal rules. But no, because why would I not go to the maximum retinue? It's a one time investment that doesn't cost (or hardly costs) anything if you don't use it. Or would I have been compensating something else? __________________

27-02-2016, 15:11	#18
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,492	I started a new game as Hvitserk of Jorvik. At some point I'm fighting the king of Wessex for control of London. Sometimes in CK2 you just need some time to browse family trees, so I discover my advisary and his wife have the great pox. How convenient. I decide to figure out if this pox has spread, so I check the court of his ally, the king of Mercia. Now, while my army was on the way to London it had sacked Tamsworth, seat of the king of Mercia. While I discover that the king of Mercia doesn't have the great pox but is merely stressed, I also discover that apparently I hold his wife, the queen of Mercia, captive in my prison. Quelle suprise! And to top that off, I'm also holding his three daughters. A sane man would've ransomed them, but I'm a viking. Concubines, concubines everywhere! __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

28-02-2016, 23:11	#20
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,492	Since you're so interested in the concubines part, a minor update from the court of Jorvik. While furthering my quest to snatch Middlesex from the west saxons, I noticed that they managed to marry their heir to a East Francian princess. Yes, a real Karling (fun fact: in the original CK2 start there's only a single Karling left). Guess what came out of that hole when I captured their castle: an eighteen year old Karling, plus the queen of Wessex. This game really makes you wonder why people stopped being viking __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

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