And a cap can indeed flip (by propaganda;-))

Grille · 29-01-2005, 23:32

I once saw a shot of a capital flip at Poly. I was very sceptic ans so were most folks who also thought it was just faked. But it probably was for real.
According to Oysteins propaganda-formula, a capital can flip. I gave it a try:

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Beam · 30-01-2005, 00:03

Bugseeker! Please post the biq, I do believe you, just like to see how it can happen. How much culture is in both cities btw?

Grille · 30-01-2005, 00:15

No prob. It sure is from a mod.
The save:
Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] flip_cap.SAV
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Just shift-e and initiate propaganda. This is more convenient, since I made maybe 100 attempts.

And here's the biq. IIRC there's tweaks as addiditonal starting units, (M)GLs for rushing wonders (the GL-bug helps here), techs and gold. Fire up as multiplayer.
Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] nomadmp.biq
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Rik Meleet · 30-01-2005, 00:15

<s>Yes, please post the save / biq.</s>

<s>Edit: Thanks</s>

Edit 2: I get a 404 - not found msg for your link

Grille · 30-01-2005, 00:16

Erm. Zipping works?

Grille · 30-01-2005, 00:20

trial:

Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] nomadmp.zip
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Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] flip_cap.zip
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edit:
ok, this should work

Rik Meleet · 30-01-2005, 01:13

If I load the nomad-mod my Conquests crashes;

Grille · 30-01-2005, 02:07

Can you load the biq into the editor then?
(C3C 1.22)

If the save works, you could load that from C3C main menue.

Or just PM your e-mail, I send over both files unzipped.

edit245: just rechecked the start from the biq with these settings: PBEM/load scen/close all slots except #1, #2 (both human, think that's important), turn timer off (should not matter anyways).
The map is ultra-ultra-tiny (20x20 or so), maybe that's an issue?

But the save should be more convenient, since you need not to wait for the RNG.

anarres · 30-01-2005, 04:21

Sorry, but this has been known about for a long time.

It's only impossible to culture flip a capital.

Grille · 30-01-2005, 16:15

Oh, it sure is a propaganda flip.
Sorry, didn't want to confuse it with a culture flip, should have stated that more clear.

I originally used the biq for a UN-test, i.e. if a nomadic civ could be a UN candidate. That's not possible, although it can sometimes (?) put a vote. ('sometimes' is prolly related to some MP UN bug). While I were at it, I gave the propaganda thingie a try. IIRC usual discussions go like 'a cap can never ever flip' (of course that's true for c/f), but here's a sav showing a successfull (propaganda-) flip.

Should happen rarely in a game anyways, although it could help getting rid of a civ restricted to a one tile island in case marines/zerks are not around (or to avoid a MPP trigger).
Noticed a strange thing: when starting from the save, I cannot rebuff the rebels (?).

30-01-2005, 00:15	#4
Rik Meleet Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands. Posts: 2,502	<s>Yes, please post the save / biq.</s> <s>Edit: Thanks</s> Edit 2: I get a 404 - not found msg for your link __________________ Social life ? Sounds like fun !! Where can I download that ?

30-01-2005, 01:13	#7
Rik Meleet Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands. Posts: 2,502	If I load the nomad-mod my Conquests crashes; __________________ Social life ? Sounds like fun !! Where can I download that ?

30-01-2005, 04:21	#9
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	Sorry, but this has been known about for a long time. It's only impossible to culture flip a capital. __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

29-01-2005, 23:32	#1
Grille Join Date: May 2003 Location: in a swamp. Posts: 901	And a cap can indeed flip (by propaganda;-)) I once saw a shot of a capital flip at Poly. I was very sceptic ans so were most folks who also thought it was just faked. But it probably was for real. According to Oysteins propaganda-formula, a capital can flip. I gave it a try: 63.95 KB

30-01-2005, 00:03	#2
Beam c00l b33r Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beat 'm up Scotty!. Lives in the Lands that are Nether. Posts: 5,094	Bugseeker! Please post the biq, I do believe you, just like to see how it can happen. How much culture is in both cities btw? __________________ That was a pretty good gamble. -- Scotty, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2821.5, Episode 14 Linux never looked this good!

30-01-2005, 00:16	#5
Grille Join Date: May 2003 Location: in a swamp. Posts: 901	Erm. Zipping works?

30-01-2005, 00:20	#6
Grille Join Date: May 2003 Location: in a swamp. Posts: 901	trial: Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] nomadmp.zip 2.1 KB Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] flip_cap.zip 11.37 KB edit: ok, this should work

30-01-2005, 02:07	#8
Grille Join Date: May 2003 Location: in a swamp. Posts: 901	Can you load the biq into the editor then? (C3C 1.22) If the save works, you could load that from C3C main menue. Or just PM your e-mail, I send over both files unzipped. edit245: just rechecked the start from the biq with these settings: PBEM/load scen/close all slots except #1, #2 (both human, think that's important), turn timer off (should not matter anyways). The map is ultra-ultra-tiny (20x20 or so), maybe that's an issue? But the save should be more convenient, since you need not to wait for the RNG.

30-01-2005, 16:15	#10
Grille Join Date: May 2003 Location: in a swamp. Posts: 901	Oh, it sure is a propaganda flip. Sorry, didn't want to confuse it with a culture flip, should have stated that more clear. I originally used the biq for a UN-test, i.e. if a nomadic civ could be a UN candidate. That's not possible, although it can sometimes (?) put a vote. ('sometimes' is prolly related to some MP UN bug). While I were at it, I gave the propaganda thingie a try. IIRC usual discussions go like 'a cap can never ever flip' (of course that's true for c/f), but here's a sav showing a successfull (propaganda-) flip. Should happen rarely in a game anyways, although it could help getting rid of a civ restricted to a one tile island in case marines/zerks are not around (or to avoid a MPP trigger). Noticed a strange thing: when starting from the save, I cannot rebuff the rebels (?).