"How to beat" thread - Page 3

Shabbaman · 22-01-2006, 10:22

I'm undecided about todays match. Today I play my archnemesis, a 3-5-2 with passable (loooooowwww) midfield at home, thus about inadequate away. He might mots, dunno, he's a tactical n00b: he always plays with his right WB as midfielder (and 2 CD).
This leaves me with two options: beating him on the midfield with WTM (midfield inadequate + according to ht ratings), or with winger offensive and FTW (midfield inadequate --).

FTW gets me about formidable wing attack in the big gaping hole where he doesn't have a defender. Playing possession might get me nothing more than ruined chances by his solid central defense. Suggestions?

arne1 · 22-01-2006, 22:22

I like the FTW option,but you already played and won so you cna't have made a bad decision.

Shabbaman · 23-01-2006, 06:44

I still owned him in the midfield, even with offensive winger. But I wasn't even close to the formidable wing attack Hattrick Ratings promised me: good low. Pity.

Shabbaman · 23-05-2006, 10:16

Sunday I'm playing the team with world class central defence and titanic counter. He has only a wretched midfield, so there should be some possibility. Input please!

Kingreno · 23-05-2006, 10:35

I posted this before but since there were no responces,'I'll repost:

Your Division has only one real CA team, his ratings are very good however and beating him is by no means easy...

On CA in general, my two cents...

There are basicly two types of CA, Type one is where the team playing CA aims for a 49% posessionrate, and not more then that! This means they get a share of normal chances and for the opponents posession they get a chance for a CA as well. The second type are the anti-posession-fundamentalists. These chaps try to waste as little resources on posession as possible, all but a very very few chances are either SE or CA.

TYPE I

formations likely used are 5-3-2, 5-4-1. Possible are 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 but these are rare as CA-players are in general def-trainers so why waste the 5th trainingspot?.
5-3-2 is played here with 2 (or 3 by the lesser gods) IM'ds and one winger. It thus abandons one wing.
To beat: The good thing is that one wing abandonned, will likely mean a slightly lesser defence there, so attack there. However the middle will very likely be very crowded, especially if one of the IM'ds is defensive. Do try to take a very decent ammount of posession. Out of experience I know that when skills are more or less equal 65% posession is usually enough to win. tactics? Play one FTW on his "empty" wing with 3-4-3 and perhaps Play creatively! play both FTW with 3-5-2 as your solid-something central attack will hardly harm a SN Central defence anyways.
The 5-4-1 is played with 2 (or by some lesser god 3) IM's and 2 wingers (or 1...). It usually has the simgle forward Towrads wing as well.
To beat:Ignore your own Central defence and defend your wings. Offensively this is a very very hard to crack nut. all sides are heavily defended. Playing creatively may be wise. Also, gaining heavy posession is a good idea as his 4 midfielders should be his mistake!
the 4-3-3 variant with 2 IM'ds is very rare. Treat the same as the 5-3-2 as it too abandons one wing. It may even leave his CDef doable by a good CAtt.
4-4-2. well, no exp needed here! This is a very decent option perhaps good for using yourself one day. with CA played with no repositioned players: so two IM'ds.
to beat: This is a very strong overall line-up but excells nowhere. This is good and bad. I would go for a strong Central Attack against this one, but individual players matter a lot here. Logicaly if a team always plays his best defenders in the central area you should focus in another place. one weakness is again the "energy" put into posession by 4-4-2. Any decent 3-5-2/3-4-3 should deal with that rather easily.

TYPE II

Formations incluid 5-3-2 (98%), 4-3-3 (1%) and 5-2-3 (<1%).
The guys absolutely want NO posession so more then one Inner Mid is very rare. If they get a Wretched midfield, they are Motsing.

for all formations the easy thing to do is Don't waste your own energy on too much posession!!! Against a MF with Disastrous - wretched rating weak - inad is more then enough to get 75%+ posession! Don't waste OCD's, WTM's or FDef on MF!!!
Heck, why not even exploit this even more??? 3-4-3 with 2 wingers is a very decent option here! Or, also a very uncommon use, 3-5-2 with a IMTW (less MF, more winger)! Just don't waste energy on the one thing you do not need that much: Midfield.
As for tactics, the same rules apply as for Type I, with the recommendation that the Cdef with Type II CA teams is far more vulnerable due to the lacking defensive aid from the midfield. There may be chances there, especially for 3-4-3.

Hope it helps...

Shabbaman · 23-05-2006, 11:10

Sorry that I missed your excellent, comprehensive post. Cookie for you! What you posted under type 2 (what I'm dealing with) is what I thought of as well. I wonder if my (low loow looow) excellent CD is high enough for his excellent central attack. Unfortunately my attack is probably too low to score against him. I have two inner mids that can play on the wing (offensively), and I think they'll probably will. I'm contemplating on piccing (new coach, woohoo). What about pressing?

Kingreno · 23-05-2006, 11:58

Pressing? well, there are rumours that if the regular chance is not "pressed", there is a chance the CA will be. This is false, and thus I see no reason to press, but also no reason not to.

Shabbaman · 23-05-2006, 12:25

If I'd be completely desperate for a draw...

Tubby Rower · 23-05-2006, 12:52

I think that if you don't expect your attacks to amount to anything, then pressing might make sense when aiming for a draw. if your chances are diminished then his CA attacks will be too. If your defense can't stop his CA then you might be screwed either way.

I'll quote myself from another thread

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

(keep in mind that I don't know everything and most likely know nothing)

arne1 · 23-05-2006, 19:40

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

I think that if you don't expect your attacks to amount to anything, then pressing might make sense when aiming for a draw. if your chances are diminished then his CA attacks will be too. If your defense can't stop his CA then you might be screwed either way.

I'll quote myself from another thread

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by Tubby Rower

(keep in mind that I don't know everything and most likely know nothing)

that may be but I agree with you tubby.

22-01-2006, 10:22	#21
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	I'm undecided about todays match. Today I play my archnemesis, a 3-5-2 with passable (loooooowwww) midfield at home, thus about inadequate away. He might mots, dunno, he's a tactical n00b: he always plays with his right WB as midfielder (and 2 CD). This leaves me with two options: beating him on the midfield with WTM (midfield inadequate + according to ht ratings), or with winger offensive and FTW (midfield inadequate --). FTW gets me about formidable wing attack in the big gaping hole where he doesn't have a defender. Playing possession might get me nothing more than ruined chances by his solid central defense. Suggestions? __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

22-01-2006, 22:22	#22
arne1 King Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 1,455	I like the FTW option,but you already played and won so you cna't have made a bad decision. __________________ expect the worst than everything is a bonus

23-01-2006, 06:44	#23
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	I still owned him in the midfield, even with offensive winger. But I wasn't even close to the formidable wing attack Hattrick Ratings promised me: good low. Pity. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

23-05-2006, 10:16	#24
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	Sunday I'm playing the team with world class central defence and titanic counter. He has only a wretched midfield, so there should be some possibility. Input please! __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

23-05-2006, 10:35	#25
Kingreno Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,270	I posted this before but since there were no responces,'I'll repost: Your Division has only one real CA team, his ratings are very good however and beating him is by no means easy... On CA in general, my two cents... There are basicly two types of CA, Type one is where the team playing CA aims for a 49% posessionrate, and not more then that! This means they get a share of normal chances and for the opponents posession they get a chance for a CA as well. The second type are the anti-posession-fundamentalists. These chaps try to waste as little resources on posession as possible, all but a very very few chances are either SE or CA. TYPE I formations likely used are 5-3-2, 5-4-1. Possible are 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 but these are rare as CA-players are in general def-trainers so why waste the 5th trainingspot?. 5-3-2 is played here with 2 (or 3 by the lesser gods) IM'ds and one winger. It thus abandons one wing. To beat: The good thing is that one wing abandonned, will likely mean a slightly lesser defence there, so attack there. However the middle will very likely be very crowded, especially if one of the IM'ds is defensive. Do try to take a very decent ammount of posession. Out of experience I know that when skills are more or less equal 65% posession is usually enough to win. tactics? Play one FTW on his "empty" wing with 3-4-3 and perhaps Play creatively! play both FTW with 3-5-2 as your solid-something central attack will hardly harm a SN Central defence anyways. The 5-4-1 is played with 2 (or by some lesser god 3) IM's and 2 wingers (or 1...). It usually has the simgle forward Towrads wing as well. To beat:Ignore your own Central defence and defend your wings. Offensively this is a very very hard to crack nut. all sides are heavily defended. Playing creatively may be wise. Also, gaining heavy posession is a good idea as his 4 midfielders should be his mistake! the 4-3-3 variant with 2 IM'ds is very rare. Treat the same as the 5-3-2 as it too abandons one wing. It may even leave his CDef doable by a good CAtt. 4-4-2. well, no exp needed here! This is a very decent option perhaps good for using yourself one day. with CA played with no repositioned players: so two IM'ds. to beat: This is a very strong overall line-up but excells nowhere. This is good and bad. I would go for a strong Central Attack against this one, but individual players matter a lot here. Logicaly if a team always plays his best defenders in the central area you should focus in another place. one weakness is again the "energy" put into posession by 4-4-2. Any decent 3-5-2/3-4-3 should deal with that rather easily. TYPE II Formations incluid 5-3-2 (98%), 4-3-3 (1%) and 5-2-3 (<1%). The guys absolutely want NO posession so more then one Inner Mid is very rare. If they get a Wretched midfield, they are Motsing. for all formations the easy thing to do is Don't waste your own energy on too much posession!!! Against a MF with Disastrous - wretched rating weak - inad is more then enough to get 75%+ posession! Don't waste OCD's, WTM's or FDef on MF!!! Heck, why not even exploit this even more??? 3-4-3 with 2 wingers is a very decent option here! Or, also a very uncommon use, 3-5-2 with a IMTW (less MF, more winger)! Just don't waste energy on the one thing you do not need that much: Midfield. As for tactics, the same rules apply as for Type I, with the recommendation that the Cdef with Type II CA teams is far more vulnerable due to the lacking defensive aid from the midfield. There may be chances there, especially for 3-4-3. Hope it helps... __________________ Go ahead punk. Make my day.

23-05-2006, 11:10	#26
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	Sorry that I missed your excellent, comprehensive post. Cookie for you! What you posted under type 2 (what I'm dealing with) is what I thought of as well. I wonder if my (low loow looow) excellent CD is high enough for his excellent central attack. Unfortunately my attack is probably too low to score against him. I have two inner mids that can play on the wing (offensively), and I think they'll probably will. I'm contemplating on piccing (new coach, woohoo). What about pressing? __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

23-05-2006, 11:58	#27
Kingreno Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,270	Pressing? well, there are rumours that if the regular chance is not "pressed", there is a chance the CA will be. This is false, and thus I see no reason to press, but also no reason not to. __________________ Go ahead punk. Make my day.

23-05-2006, 12:25	#28
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	If I'd be completely desperate for a draw... __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"