****Whomp's Spoiler 18 Person Pitboss game**** - Page 4

Tubby Rower · 02-11-2006, 16:15

Yeah I've learned that I suck supremely at diplo.

The move with withholding the techs earlier was necessary and in my opinion wasn't going against any deal. It just sucked for you guys... much like me losing my land sucked for me.

digger760 · 02-11-2006, 17:49

What about nuclear weapons?

Tubby Rower · 02-11-2006, 17:51

no one has built the Manhatten project and I doubt that Whomp has the resources to waste on it.

Whomp · 02-11-2006, 21:50

I've thought about nukes but honestly they seem less effective than spies (which I can produce in 1 turn). Destroying critical resources (copper and alum) is the key in either case but with spies I have a chance to get away with it. If I'm caught, fine. Bring your stack from one end of the map to the other. This also assumes my allies won't close their borders or join me in the fight.

grahamiam · 02-11-2006, 23:06

Can spies screw up his production (ie, destroy hammers)? Maybe find out which cities are building the parts and then attack it with spies. Should be pretty funny, especially if he can't figure out whose doing it and you can blame Dave

Whomp · 03-11-2006, 03:33

Here's a few pictures. I can sabotage Dave's production with low probability. Here's a picture of the first city I've entered.
Here's my question to the lurkers. I've offered permanent peace to BCLG. Would sabotaging BCLG be considered an act of war? I want to do the honorable thing but we didn't discuss sabotage when we said we'd go permanent peace. There was an initial offer of alliance(peace, no spies etc) with BCLG, Mel, Robi, Mauer and I but Mel and Mauer denied this deal. Do the probabilities of success increase the longer your spy is in the city?

Here's a look into Dave's first city...

119.62 KB

Here's a view of his key resources. He does not know industrialism so the aluminum hasn't been revealed.

113.58 KB

Here's a view of BCLG's resources....

72.66*KB

Tubby Rower · 03-11-2006, 04:05

I would say no.. Russia and the US were in a state of peace during the Cold War, but spies were rampant if you believe the old Cloak and Dagger movie

grahamiam · 03-11-2006, 04:14

I haven't done much with spies in CIV. In C3, if your spy failed, it was an act of war iirc

killercane · 03-11-2006, 18:36

I would venture a guess that Dave's plan is to declare on BCLG to disrupt his ship, then build his own, counting on you to not be able to beat him. Your use of spies is educational; how does it calculate the probability of success? I need to get in on one of these pitboss games, looks like a lot of excitement and intrigue!

Whomp · 04-11-2006, 17:34

Well I tried to find out about espionage missions in civ4 but couldn't find too much. It seems the probabilities increase if the resource is not protected by units. This aluminum resource was not protected so I presume the odds increased to 90%. It will be interesting to see if Davemcw notices.

124.97*KB

I'm tempted to turn down research (for missions) and knock out my four spies. Three for Davemcw and one for Simon. What do you think?

Oh one more thing....I put units on my resources.

02-11-2006, 16:15	#31
Tubby Rower Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle of VA. Posts: 3,896	Yeah I've learned that I suck supremely at diplo. The move with withholding the techs earlier was necessary and in my opinion wasn't going against any deal. It just sucked for you guys... much like me losing my land sucked for me. __________________ 3/2006 : Now, surely that must be because some fists might have caused internal damage to certain delicate parts?

02-11-2006, 17:51	#33
Tubby Rower Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle of VA. Posts: 3,896	no one has built the Manhatten project and I doubt that Whomp has the resources to waste on it. __________________ 3/2006 : Now, surely that must be because some fists might have caused internal damage to certain delicate parts?

02-11-2006, 21:50	#34
Whomp King Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago. Posts: 2,388	I've thought about nukes but honestly they seem less effective than spies (which I can produce in 1 turn). Destroying critical resources (copper and alum) is the key in either case but with spies I have a chance to get away with it. If I'm caught, fine. Bring your stack from one end of the map to the other. This also assumes my allies won't close their borders or join me in the fight. __________________ If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.--W. C. Fields

03-11-2006, 03:33	#36
Whomp King Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago. Posts: 2,388	Here's a few pictures. I can sabotage Dave's production with low probability. Here's a picture of the first city I've entered. Here's my question to the lurkers. I've offered permanent peace to BCLG. Would sabotaging BCLG be considered an act of war? I want to do the honorable thing but we didn't discuss sabotage when we said we'd go permanent peace. There was an initial offer of alliance(peace, no spies etc) with BCLG, Mel, Robi, Mauer and I but Mel and Mauer denied this deal. Do the probabilities of success increase the longer your spy is in the city? Here's a look into Dave's first city... 119.62 KB Here's a view of his key resources. He does not know industrialism so the aluminum hasn't been revealed. 113.58 KB Here's a view of BCLG's resources.... 72.66*KB __________________ If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.--W. C. Fields

03-11-2006, 04:05	#37
Tubby Rower Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle of VA. Posts: 3,896	I would say no.. Russia and the US were in a state of peace during the Cold War, but spies were rampant if you believe the old Cloak and Dagger movie __________________ 3/2006 : Now, surely that must be because some fists might have caused internal damage to certain delicate parts?

02-11-2006, 17:49	#32
digger760 King Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Fake Dog Poo Factory. Posts: 1,887	What about nuclear weapons?

02-11-2006, 23:06	#35
grahamiam Emperor Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA, East Coast. Posts: 2,673	Can spies screw up his production (ie, destroy hammers)? Maybe find out which cities are building the parts and then attack it with spies. Should be pretty funny, especially if he can't figure out whose doing it and you can blame Dave

03-11-2006, 04:14	#38
grahamiam Emperor Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA, East Coast. Posts: 2,673	I haven't done much with spies in CIV. In C3, if your spy failed, it was an act of war iirc

03-11-2006, 18:36	#39
killercane Prince Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 959	I would venture a guess that Dave's plan is to declare on BCLG to disrupt his ship, then build his own, counting on you to not be able to beat him. Your use of spies is educational; how does it calculate the probability of success? I need to get in on one of these pitboss games, looks like a lot of excitement and intrigue!

04-11-2006, 17:34	#40
Whomp King Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago. Posts: 2,388	Well I tried to find out about espionage missions in civ4 but couldn't find too much. It seems the probabilities increase if the resource is not protected by units. This aluminum resource was not protected so I presume the odds increased to 90%. It will be interesting to see if Davemcw notices. 124.97*KB I'm tempted to turn down research (for missions) and knock out my four spies. Three for Davemcw and one for Simon. What do you think? Oh one more thing....I put units on my resources. __________________ If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.--W. C. Fields