Gothmog vs. Anarres **Spoiler** - Page 3

Skyfish · 11-08-2003, 19:35

Exactly the same as a swordsman my friend : 40g ! Isn't it exploitative ?

Very nice spoiler, it reads like a T-Hawk trading turn

Who says you were the warmonger anyway ?

Gothmog · 11-08-2003, 19:53

Thanks Sky...

exploitive? there's that word again. I'm not sure what that means in the context of a PBEM.

I'm no warmonger, just my avatar looks that way [declares war on Skyfish].

I did offer anarres the opportunity to surrender! more than once in fact

Skyfish · 11-08-2003, 21:29

It's not because it's a PBEM that there's no exploit anymore man !

You've listened to anarres too much lately...

Gothmog · 11-08-2003, 22:40

Mass upgrades are a sort of exploit because the computer doesn't take full advantage of it the way humans do, same for prebuilds. In a human on human game, both players can use mass upgrades or not at their choice. Are you suggesting that we forgo the use of mass-upgrades in sucession games? IMO it makes even less sense in PBEM games.

I haven't been listening to anarres, this is how I've always felt. Search my posts @ CFC and you will see a consistent POV.

Gothmog · 15-08-2003, 15:07

Small update this time, I just did my first human-human trade. I sent anarres 250 gold + WM for currency.

I knew he was most likely at war with the aztecs, zulu, and germans as he hadn't sent them currency yet although they had some stuff to offer. He also told me he was at war with the aztec. So I hoped to get some of that cash back from trades with them.

Then I had a moment of panic last night when I thought he would most likely use currency to get peace with those civ's after making the trade with me. I really need to get used to playing with a human.

Thankfully, of those three only the aztecs got currency on his turn. So I sold currency to the Zulu for their treasury (164 gold) + WM, and then to the Germans for their treasury (16) + a worker + WM. I then was able to sell around my new WM for another 13 gold, I will get more from this when some broke civ's get some gold.

Not a bad deal, I'm guessing that anarres is using the cash to fund deficit research.

I have founded a city 3 squares SW of Arbela and have another settler about to complete.

I now have a bunch of workers and will start to merge them into low growth cities soon.

Germany doesn't have any Iron, so I'm not feeling to pressured to attack them. I'll get to it when I'm ready.

Skyfish · 15-08-2003, 18:06

The exploitative remark was a joke

Still it's not fair that Immortals are the same price as swords, i.e the Sipahis have better attack but they are substantially more expensive to produce.
I still believe there are limits in PBEM and the statement that "nothing is exploitative in PBEM" is a bit far fetched.
I understand where it comes from however it still remains against my nature to blatantly exploit every lil bug or AI mannerisms in the game jsut because your ennemy is human and not AI.

Gothmog · 15-08-2003, 18:20

I don't think the immortal is overpowered when compared to the rider. I fear the rider, and their timing is perfect for PBEM games. Not to mention that the MI is just like an immortal at a higher cost.

But since you brought it up, what lil bugs or AI mannerisms don't you exploit in your PBEM games?

Skyfish · 15-08-2003, 19:07

I play RBCiv rules ! Dastardly but not exploitative

Gothmog · 15-08-2003, 19:47

So, when I come for your continent. I shouldn't expect any 'amphibious blockades' as we saw in anarres vs. CB (w/non-military units that is)?

yndy · 16-08-2003, 09:53

Game is going nice Gothmog. Goodjob.

11-08-2003, 19:35	#21
Skyfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dead. Posts: 2,349	Exactly the same as a swordsman my friend : 40g ! Isn't it exploitative ? Very nice spoiler, it reads like a T-Hawk trading turn Who says you were the warmonger anyway ? __________________ <font color=\"brown\"> <b><i>\"NOT back from the dead\"</b></i> </font id=\"brown\">

11-08-2003, 21:29	#23
Skyfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dead. Posts: 2,349	It's not because it's a PBEM that there's no exploit anymore man ! You've listened to anarres too much lately... __________________ <font color=\"brown\"> <b><i>\"NOT back from the dead\"</b></i> </font id=\"brown\">

15-08-2003, 18:06	#26
Skyfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dead. Posts: 2,349	The exploitative remark was a joke Still it's not fair that Immortals are the same price as swords, i.e the Sipahis have better attack but they are substantially more expensive to produce. I still believe there are limits in PBEM and the statement that "nothing is exploitative in PBEM" is a bit far fetched. I understand where it comes from however it still remains against my nature to blatantly exploit every lil bug or AI mannerisms in the game jsut because your ennemy is human and not AI. __________________ <font color=\"brown\"> <b><i>\"NOT back from the dead\"</b></i> </font id=\"brown\">

15-08-2003, 19:07	#28
Skyfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dead. Posts: 2,349	I play RBCiv rules ! Dastardly but not exploitative __________________ <font color=\"brown\"> <b><i>\"NOT back from the dead\"</b></i> </font id=\"brown\">

16-08-2003, 09:53	#30
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	Game is going nice Gothmog. Goodjob. __________________ The one and only

11-08-2003, 19:53	#22
Gothmog Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Angband. Posts: 334	Thanks Sky... exploitive? there's that word again. I'm not sure what that means in the context of a PBEM. I'm no warmonger, just my avatar looks that way [declares war on Skyfish]. I did offer anarres the opportunity to surrender! more than once in fact

11-08-2003, 22:40	#24
Gothmog Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Angband. Posts: 334	Mass upgrades are a sort of exploit because the computer doesn't take full advantage of it the way humans do, same for prebuilds. In a human on human game, both players can use mass upgrades or not at their choice. Are you suggesting that we forgo the use of mass-upgrades in sucession games? IMO it makes even less sense in PBEM games. I haven't been listening to anarres, this is how I've always felt. Search my posts @ CFC and you will see a consistent POV.

15-08-2003, 15:07	#25
Gothmog Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Angband. Posts: 334	Small update this time, I just did my first human-human trade. I sent anarres 250 gold + WM for currency. I knew he was most likely at war with the aztecs, zulu, and germans as he hadn't sent them currency yet although they had some stuff to offer. He also told me he was at war with the aztec. So I hoped to get some of that cash back from trades with them. Then I had a moment of panic last night when I thought he would most likely use currency to get peace with those civ's after making the trade with me. I really need to get used to playing with a human. Thankfully, of those three only the aztecs got currency on his turn. So I sold currency to the Zulu for their treasury (164 gold) + WM, and then to the Germans for their treasury (16) + a worker + WM. I then was able to sell around my new WM for another 13 gold, I will get more from this when some broke civ's get some gold. Not a bad deal, I'm guessing that anarres is using the cash to fund deficit research. I have founded a city 3 squares SW of Arbela and have another settler about to complete. I now have a bunch of workers and will start to merge them into low growth cities soon. Germany doesn't have any Iron, so I'm not feeling to pressured to attack them. I'll get to it when I'm ready.

15-08-2003, 18:20	#27
Gothmog Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Angband. Posts: 334	I don't think the immortal is overpowered when compared to the rider. I fear the rider, and their timing is perfect for PBEM games. Not to mention that the MI is just like an immortal at a higher cost. But since you brought it up, what lil bugs or AI mannerisms don't you exploit in your PBEM games?

15-08-2003, 19:47	#29
Gothmog Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Angband. Posts: 334	So, when I come for your continent. I shouldn't expect any 'amphibious blockades' as we saw in anarres vs. CB (w/non-military units that is)?