Kemal vs Skyfish THE REVENGE *****SPOILER**** - Page 4

Lt. Killer M · 07-01-2004, 12:09

wow!

ERIKK · 07-01-2004, 12:21

Kill him off Sky, you can do it!!!

ps:
funny that statement from Killer, as I told you the opposite: only 20 horses and nothing else

seems a bit tricky IMO. Certainly when you arent building any more troops (but libraries)...

Plux · 07-01-2004, 12:22

Coolness

. Reads like a very exciting thriller movie! I wonder how it ends

anarres · 07-01-2004, 12:42

hehehe. Good luck, you will need it!

Skyfish · 07-01-2004, 13:31

Thanks guys !

Erikk : no way I can do it man ! He is huge and got loads of big cities and his lands have much more food bonuses than mine.
I might do a comparative study later if I have time.
Also he has tons of coastal cities and will flood me with Berzerks !
Even Rifles lose massively vs those fuckers

I already told Kemal when we started :
This is the PBEM of all PBEMs to end the PTW era :
if I win this one I will retire from PBEMs and possibly Civ3...could not reach a higher goal

Plux : I can guarantee you it's not a Hollywood movie so dont expect any "happy end" !

I better go on before I forget the rest of the story, I lost some of my notes already

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OK so we know a bit more about Kemal now but what about the other AIs ?
India is stronger than Carthage, they have Currency and Literature but no Republic !
Carth is missing Lit and Republic, both have almost no money though...

Now the funny part about this is that I have asked *multiple times*,
hell I even begged him to get an agreement about the fact that we should not have abusive MAs or phoney wars :
he always refused saying we could negotiate "in the game" once he can "evaluate the situation better" ! grrr...
Well now I am going to show him why I think its not fun to play with "anything goes" rules !
I buy Embassies with India, Carthage and Arabs, I go to the F4 screen, declare War on Kemal,
go to India, buy an Alliance (and all their money) for Republic,
I go to Carthage and do the same.
Finally I go to the Arabs and buy an Alliance for Construction

This last move was a tough decision because now Construction
is known by one AI Kemal has contact with and it will be cheaper
for him to search it
but since he is at war with Arabia (and everyone else he knows)
at least he can not buy it for 6 turns !

Finally, I realize I am in the Middle Ages now since I got Currency from Arabs but both Korea and Babs still aren't...
My free tech is Monotheism !
I go to the Babs and gift them Currency (they have nothing left...)
They get Feudalism !

Monotheism + 187g buys me Feudalism !
Now I go to Korea and sell them Construction for all their money (remember I wanted to grab it during the inter-turn...)
turns out it was 232g.
They draw Feudalism too... cant have all the luck of course !

And that concludes this huge trading round :
- I have all the money in the world (760g) except the 187g I gave to the Babs.
- I am up Republic, Construction, Currency, Literature, Monotheism
and Feudalism on Kemal
- I have exclusive contacts between the 2 continents and I am the only one to have the World Map.
- He is at war with all the AIs he knows so no way he can trade for techs in the next 6 turns (except if he has a galley close of course)
- All AIs are Polite towards me, except Korea who still lacks Republic (I am hoping I can trade for it later)

Here is a nice screenie :

Finally to conclude, I go to Aydin my garrison city, upgrade my 20 chariots for 400g and declare war honourably on the Americans.
Then at last I go to the F1 screen and go into Anarchy : I draw 6 turns which is average all things considered.

This was my most exciting round for as long as I can remember and just the thought of Kemal opening the turn makes me chuckle :
I can always say that for one moment, a short unreal moment, I had the edge over him

Of course I had to fuck up somewehre, I still made a crucial mistake :
I should have bought embassies with Korea and Babylon before going into Anarchy. One can not buy Embassies while in Anarchy

Now if Kemal finds Korea then he will be able to trade with them and get contact with Babs and Americans.
I did not want to give
my AIs contact with him though in order to keep tech costs up,
that is why the whole world is not at war with them.
If my galley survives it will stay at that junction so that if Kemal is close to finding the Koreans
(and my galley can not sink his

) then I can get an Embassy with Korea and buy an Alliance with them...
Thats hoping it will be in more than 6 turns

Aggie · 07-01-2004, 13:59

Sweet

Lt. Killer M · 07-01-2004, 14:16

JfC!!!!!!

ERIKK · 07-01-2004, 14:58

That's the fun of playing without any phoney MA rules. The lucky one who finds the other
human first can fuck the other. You might even be more lucky with a lot of ai units present
on his lands or workers near the border who can be grabbed etc etc... If Kemal is player 1
and Sky player 2, the AI will move first (I think) which would suck even more for Kemal as he
probably went for a farmer gambit.

I can go on but what I am saying here is that luck determines a big deal of this particular
game, and that sucks IMO...

Skyfish · 07-01-2004, 15:15

Quote:

quote:If Kemal is player 1
and Sky player 2, the AI will move first (I think) which would suck even more for Kemal as he
probably went for a farmer gambit.

Yes that is the case, I am player 2.

but it would not "suck" :
- he chose for a farmers gambit (if thats the case) knowing pretty
well that an AI could attack him at any point !
Remember/know what a "gambit" means ?

- he refused vehemently any kind of agreement regarding phoney wars/MAs :
anybody refusing them should be ready for the worse
at any point I know for sure he will not complain one second about it...

Quote:

quote:that luck determines a big deal of this particular
game, and that sucks IMO

Sorry to be so rude when you are so kind to post in my forum but...

I disagree again... Luck is a factor in Civ3, and thank god for that or else it would be as boring as fuck !
But also to be honest most of us here are of equal level on this
forum so of course luck is going to be the deciding factor in loads
of PBEMs, nothing you could ever do about and i dont believe it sucks.

Luck is what can make weaker players like me have a chance of beating extraordinary players like Kemal !
The guy needs to lose at least once in his life no ?

Aggie · 07-01-2004, 15:20

My two cents: phoney wars and setting up ma's like this have less to do with luck than getting a freakin' SGL in the ancient age !!

Sky: you did great

07-01-2004, 12:09	#31
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	wow! __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

07-01-2004, 12:42	#34
anarres anarchist butcher Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: United States of Whatever. Posts: 4,677	hehehe. Good luck, you will need it! __________________ <b>Calculate the probability of culture flips: Flip Calc</b>

07-01-2004, 13:31	#35
Skyfish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: dead. Posts: 2,349	Thanks guys ! Erikk : no way I can do it man ! He is huge and got loads of big cities and his lands have much more food bonuses than mine. I might do a comparative study later if I have time. Also he has tons of coastal cities and will flood me with Berzerks ! Even Rifles lose massively vs those fuckers I already told Kemal when we started : This is the PBEM of all PBEMs to end the PTW era : if I win this one I will retire from PBEMs and possibly Civ3...could not reach a higher goal Plux : I can guarantee you it's not a Hollywood movie so dont expect any "happy end" ! I better go on before I forget the rest of the story, I lost some of my notes already __________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ OK so we know a bit more about Kemal now but what about the other AIs ? India is stronger than Carthage, they have Currency and Literature but no Republic ! Carth is missing Lit and Republic, both have almost no money though... Now the funny part about this is that I have asked multiple times, hell I even begged him to get an agreement about the fact that we should not have abusive MAs or phoney wars : he always refused saying we could negotiate "in the game" once he can "evaluate the situation better" ! grrr... Well now I am going to show him why I think its not fun to play with "anything goes" rules ! I buy Embassies with India, Carthage and Arabs, I go to the F4 screen, declare War on Kemal, go to India, buy an Alliance (and all their money) for Republic, I go to Carthage and do the same. Finally I go to the Arabs and buy an Alliance for Construction This last move was a tough decision because now Construction is known by one AI Kemal has contact with and it will be cheaper for him to search it but since he is at war with Arabia (and everyone else he knows) at least he can not buy it for 6 turns ! Finally, I realize I am in the Middle Ages now since I got Currency from Arabs but both Korea and Babs still aren't... My free tech is Monotheism ! I go to the Babs and gift them Currency (they have nothing left...) They get Feudalism ! Monotheism + 187g buys me Feudalism ! Now I go to Korea and sell them Construction for all their money (remember I wanted to grab it during the inter-turn...) turns out it was 232g. They draw Feudalism too... cant have all the luck of course ! And that concludes this huge trading round : - I have all the money in the world (760g) except the 187g I gave to the Babs. - I am up Republic, Construction, Currency, Literature, Monotheism and Feudalism on Kemal - I have exclusive contacts between the 2 continents and I am the only one to have the World Map. - He is at war with all the AIs he knows so no way he can trade for techs in the next 6 turns (except if he has a galley close of course) - All AIs are Polite towards me, except Korea who still lacks Republic (I am hoping I can trade for it later) Here is a nice screenie : Finally to conclude, I go to Aydin my garrison city, upgrade my 20 chariots for 400g and declare war honourably on the Americans. Then at last I go to the F1 screen and go into Anarchy : I draw 6 turns which is average all things considered. This was my most exciting round for as long as I can remember and just the thought of Kemal opening the turn makes me chuckle : I can always say that for one moment, a short unreal moment, I had the edge over him Of course I had to fuck up somewehre, I still made a crucial mistake : I should have bought embassies with Korea and Babylon before going into Anarchy. One can not buy Embassies while in Anarchy Now if Kemal finds Korea then he will be able to trade with them and get contact with Babs and Americans. I did not want to give my AIs contact with him though in order to keep tech costs up, that is why the whole world is not at war with them. If my galley survives it will stay at that junction so that if Kemal is close to finding the Koreans (and my galley can not sink his ) then I can get an Embassy with Korea and buy an Alliance with them... Thats hoping it will be in more than 6 turns __________________ <font color=\"brown\"> <b><i>\"NOT back from the dead\"</b></i> </font id=\"brown\">

07-01-2004, 14:16	#37
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	JfC!!!!!! __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

07-01-2004, 12:21	#32
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	Kill him off Sky, you can do it!!! ps: funny that statement from Killer, as I told you the opposite: only 20 horses and nothing else seems a bit tricky IMO. Certainly when you arent building any more troops (but libraries)...

07-01-2004, 12:22	#33
Plux King Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,213	Coolness . Reads like a very exciting thriller movie! I wonder how it ends

07-01-2004, 13:59	#36
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	Sweet

07-01-2004, 14:58	#38
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	That's the fun of playing without any phoney MA rules. The lucky one who finds the other human first can fuck the other. You might even be more lucky with a lot of ai units present on his lands or workers near the border who can be grabbed etc etc... If Kemal is player 1 and Sky player 2, the AI will move first (I think) which would suck even more for Kemal as he probably went for a farmer gambit. I can go on but what I am saying here is that luck determines a big deal of this particular game, and that sucks IMO...

07-01-2004, 15:20	#40
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	My two cents: phoney wars and setting up ma's like this have less to do with luck than getting a freakin' SGL in the ancient age !! Sky: you did great