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Beam · 31-05-2005, 15:48

It was already announced that my company was going to "rationalize" staffing, it was still an unpleasant surprise when my manager called me this morning. I'll get a proposal to leave. No one understands why (other than some headcount officer in the US looking at his European numbers). The group I'm working in is short of people, I am on a project, annual reviews have been good and nature of work is in line with my level.

My manager also couldn't give any good motivation over the phone so I asked him to e-mail it as I am planning to challenge it.

Since I do not have any problem on the current project I decided to keep on working there, the Project Manager wants to keep me there and also understands that I might be less effective for the coming period of time.

This really is bookkeeping at its worst and the way they deal with people is a shame.

Some of you know the name of the company I'm working for, for the time being I'd very much appreciate NOT to mention that name here as we are still talking with each other.

Lt. Killer M · 31-05-2005, 16:23

beam, that sucks!

They tried to do that to a friend of mine, luckily for him they had a large consulting firm in the offices at that time. They told the hoke office rather directly to INCREASE staff.

I hope they wisen up some!

ERIKK · 31-05-2005, 16:34

I know the company you work for!

If it is a collective action then the fact that you are profitable wont work. With my company we had the same things going on. Good people making a lot of money for the company got fired and customers were very upset! Some workers were detached at customers and the next day they were gone!

It's hard to explain... It's pure shortsighted bookkeeping.

Pastorius · 31-05-2005, 16:45

IMO, any profitable unit of labour should be kept, unless a firm faces a serious crisis of some sort.

If the firm's costs rise to a level which calls for laying off labour, then it would be rational to get rid of the least productive units first. Normally, you remove those who represent a higher cost to you than the revenue they are generating.

But I see more and more evidence that this is not either the short term or medium to long term strategy for firms today. To the extent that I ve looked at dynamic models for profit maximization, it has been argued that under cost benefit analysis, you should keep the parts of a firm that generates positive profit and reform the parts of the firm that generates 0 or negative profits.

So unless your company faces some difficulties that are to be considered serious, I think this whole cutdown is moronic.

if we also look at company value - then as ERIKK says, customer relations are worsened, which is reflected in company value declining. Thus the medium to long term impact of such a reduction can actually have net negative impact, even though wage cost is reduced.

From a personal POV, this sucks Beam. I know labour market is somewhat better for skilled labour than for unskilled labour, but I do hope you work something out.

Beam · 31-05-2005, 17:23

From what I've heard and seen they did not even bother to make a proper evaluation of which parts of the company are running ok or bad.

Thanks for the support ppl, we'll see what happens in the coming weeks.

Shabbaman · 31-05-2005, 17:53

Wow this sucks big time Beam! Good luck with it.

Rik Meleet · 31-05-2005, 18:20

That must be a blow to your face....

Matrix · 31-05-2005, 19:04

The bigger the company, the weirder the stories.

Good luck, Beam!

Kingreno · 31-05-2005, 19:47

wow Beam that sucks bigtime.

keep us posted!

ProPain · 31-05-2005, 21:08

Damn Beam, that stinks! Hope you'll find another job quickly!

31-05-2005, 15:48	#1
Beam c00l b33r Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beat 'm up Scotty!. Lives in the Lands that are Nether. Posts: 5,093	Job at risk It was already announced that my company was going to "rationalize" staffing, it was still an unpleasant surprise when my manager called me this morning. I'll get a proposal to leave. No one understands why (other than some headcount officer in the US looking at his European numbers). The group I'm working in is short of people, I am on a project, annual reviews have been good and nature of work is in line with my level. My manager also couldn't give any good motivation over the phone so I asked him to e-mail it as I am planning to challenge it. Since I do not have any problem on the current project I decided to keep on working there, the Project Manager wants to keep me there and also understands that I might be less effective for the coming period of time. This really is bookkeeping at its worst and the way they deal with people is a shame. Some of you know the name of the company I'm working for, for the time being I'd very much appreciate NOT to mention that name here as we are still talking with each other. __________________ That was a pretty good gamble. -- Scotty, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2821.5, Episode 14 Linux never looked this good!

31-05-2005, 16:23	#2
Lt. Killer M Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: HAWK!. Posts: 4,365	beam, that sucks! They tried to do that to a friend of mine, luckily for him they had a large consulting firm in the offices at that time. They told the hoke office rather directly to INCREASE staff. I hope they wisen up some! __________________ One more turn..... just one more turn... one MORE!

31-05-2005, 16:45	#4
Pastorius Custard used tile Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Opening a can Posts: 3,158	IMO, any profitable unit of labour should be kept, unless a firm faces a serious crisis of some sort. If the firm's costs rise to a level which calls for laying off labour, then it would be rational to get rid of the least productive units first. Normally, you remove those who represent a higher cost to you than the revenue they are generating. But I see more and more evidence that this is not either the short term or medium to long term strategy for firms today. To the extent that I ve looked at dynamic models for profit maximization, it has been argued that under cost benefit analysis, you should keep the parts of a firm that generates positive profit and reform the parts of the firm that generates 0 or negative profits. So unless your company faces some difficulties that are to be considered serious, I think this whole cutdown is moronic. if we also look at company value - then as ERIKK says, customer relations are worsened, which is reflected in company value declining. Thus the medium to long term impact of such a reduction can actually have net negative impact, even though wage cost is reduced. From a personal POV, this sucks Beam. I know labour market is somewhat better for skilled labour than for unskilled labour, but I do hope you work something out. __________________

31-05-2005, 17:23	#5
Beam c00l b33r Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beat 'm up Scotty!. Lives in the Lands that are Nether. Posts: 5,093	From what I've heard and seen they did not even bother to make a proper evaluation of which parts of the company are running ok or bad. Thanks for the support ppl, we'll see what happens in the coming weeks. __________________ That was a pretty good gamble. -- Scotty, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2821.5, Episode 14 Linux never looked this good!

31-05-2005, 17:53	#6
Shabbaman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Costa La Haya Posts: 8,493	Wow this sucks big time Beam! Good luck with it. __________________ "Our spam is backed with COMETS!"

31-05-2005, 16:34	#3
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	I know the company you work for! If it is a collective action then the fact that you are profitable wont work. With my company we had the same things going on. Good people making a lot of money for the company got fired and customers were very upset! Some workers were detached at customers and the next day they were gone! It's hard to explain... It's pure shortsighted bookkeeping.

31-05-2005, 18:20	#7
Rik Meleet Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands. Posts: 2,502	That must be a blow to your face.... __________________ Social life ? Sounds like fun !! Where can I download that ?

31-05-2005, 19:04	#8
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	The bigger the company, the weirder the stories. Good luck, Beam! __________________

31-05-2005, 19:47	#9
Kingreno Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,270	wow Beam that sucks bigtime. keep us posted! __________________ Go ahead punk. Make my day.

31-05-2005, 21:08	#10
ProPain Customized Admin :) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sailing the seas of cheese. Posts: 5,852	Damn Beam, that stinks! Hope you'll find another job quickly! __________________ I fed my Dog the American Dream Well, he rolled over and he started to scream He said, I dig the taste of salt but it don't keep me alive yeah, yeah

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