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Old 30-03-2007, 00:56   #181
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I've been doing my shopping !! I'm switching to winger training next week (after 2 weeks of stamina), and so I've just finished buying me 8 trainees. This was a lot of work between last Sunday and tonight. Tubby Rower is also switching to winger training now, it's a nice coincidence. Here are my babies, in TSI order (why not)...

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Fernando Rohman (155712105)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.

Nationality: 	                Schweiz
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	860
Wage: 	                        744 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	inadequate  	Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	poor  	        Passing:   	solid 
Winger:   	passable  	Defending:   	poor 
Scoring:   	poor  	        Set Pieces:   	wretched 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 20k

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Sven Sommer (148511186)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities.

Speciality: Technical

Nationality: 	                Österreich
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	780
Wage: 	                        864 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	wretched  	Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	poor  	        Passing:   	poor 
Winger:   	solid  	        Defending:   	passable 
Scoring:   	weak  	        Set Pieces:   	passable 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 27k

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Herland Soljancik (156473887)
17 years, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: 	                Bolivia
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	740
Wage: 	                        696 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	passable  	Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	poor  	        Passing:   	inadequate 
Winger:   	passable  	Defending:   	inadequate 
Scoring:   	weak  	        Set Pieces:   	wretched 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 34k (t'was difficult), my only 17 yo trainee

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Ciro Cruciani (156018469)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Speciality: Technical

Nationality: 	                Italia
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	720
Wage: 	                        672 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	passable  	Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	inadequate  	Passing:   	poor 
Winger:   	passable  	Defending:   	weak 
Scoring:   	inadequate  	Set Pieces:   	wretched 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 9k

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Maxiem Jacquet (156829367)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: 	                België
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	630
Wage: 	                        792 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	poor  	Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	weak  	Passing:   	inadequate 
Winger:   	solid  	Defending:   	weak 
Scoring:   	poor  	Set Pieces:   	inadequate 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 15k

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Leandro Viana (146891789)
18 years, inadequate form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.

Speciality: Unpredictable

Nationality: 	                Portugal
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	590
Wage: 	                        744 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	weak  	        Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	weak  	        Passing:   	poor 
Winger:   	solid  	        Defending:   	inadequate 
Scoring:   	wretched  	Set Pieces:   	wretched 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 25k

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Ove Wettergren (155677032)
18 years, passable form, healthy
A popular guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Nationality: 	                Suomi
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	470
Wage: 	                        696 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	poor  	        Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	poor  	        Passing:   	solid 
Winger:   	passable  	Defending:   	wretched 
Scoring:   	wretched  	Set Pieces:   	weak 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 28k

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He Shou Xin (146459421)
18 years, disastrous form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Nationality: 	                Chinese Taipei
Total Skill Index (TSI):  	230
Wage: 	                        792 €/week  including 20% Bonus
Owner: 	                        Krys Olympic
Warnings: 	                0
Injuries: 	                Healthy


Stamina:   	weak  	Goalkeeping:   	disastrous 
Playmaking:   	poor  	Passing:   	passable 
Winger:   	solid  	Defending:   	wretched 
Scoring:   	weak  	Set Pieces:   	inadequate 

Career Goals:  	                0 
Career Hattricks:  	        0 
League goals this season:  	0 
Cup goals this season:  	0
bought for 33k

That's a total of 191k for 8 players, ie. 23,875 € per trainee. Quite OK, I think.

Like Tubby, I will sold my old wingers and wingbacks next week. For some I'll have to wait a little, as I currently have 4 injured players, and they're all defenders !!! My defensive line was totally crushed at the end of the season.

I'm also waiting for my 2 GKs to sell, I delayed it until this week, like sz_matyas suggested. I'd better sell them quickly, their salaries became huuuge ! After that, it will be time to upgrade my stadium (still 12k seats, full even in small matches now).

This was the youth week, as last night, the (RL) French national team beat Austria 1-0, and most players were beginners. The match wasn't great, but those youngsters are very interesting...
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Old 30-03-2007, 01:04   #182
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Nice buys, maybe you could have gotten more defense for your wingback trainees, but nice.
Do you wann rotate the players around or do you just let some train slower (WB only get 50% training)
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Old 30-03-2007, 01:34   #183
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Apparently, it was easier to get wingers with passing (winger position, forward movement) than wingers with defending (wingback position). And with 8 trainees to buy in one week, I couldn't wait forever. No biggie, I hope my attack and midfield will do the trick this season.

How I'll use my players, I'm not sure, but suggestions are GREATLY welcome. Winger training is one of the most difficult training type to manage, it seems (that's also why I chose it). It's quite obvious to me than Sommer will be one wingback on Saturdays at least. I have Cruciani as a possible winger in inner movement (to increase the possession a bit), which I'll do against the better opponents. Soljancik looks like a nice wingback on Saturdays too, but he can also be used as a winger in case of an injury. Well, there are many options, and I'll use them all if I have to, because I want the title this season. But how to manage the 100% and 50% spots, combined with the buying and the selling... Not a clue, my intuition tells me I should just assign a player to a position/schedule, sell the wingers regularly, keep the wingbacks longer and sell them too...
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Old 30-03-2007, 01:53   #184
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... Winger training is one of the most difficult training type to manage, it seems (that's also why I chose it). ...
Not really, it will all depend on which kind of money one wants to get in return. For you, within probably this season, you can get most of your guys from passable to excellent hopefully and then can decide to either continue training at least some of them and sell half to buy new trainees or even switch training type since the performance you get from trained players might be enough for you.

I've trained wingers for one season, screwed it all up a couple of times but had not been able to make any money at all. The wingbacks take forever to pop, so I will not use these spots at all especially not until I'm out of the cup. Then, may be I'll buy some trainees.

However, I now have one player from Chile who is 18 yo but already in their U-20 and another from Turkey which is also 18-yo and is on Turkish U-20 waiting list. These players will get tons of extra experience and their playing strength and market value (if I ever would be willing to sell them) can be pretty high. A 19-yo world class winger with passable experience is worth a lot.

So, whatever income might be possible to get is still about 2 seasons away from now.
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Old 30-03-2007, 04:05   #185
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quote:That's a total of 191k for 8 players, ie. 23,875 € per trainee. Quite OK, I think.
I got some steals then. I bought 2 solids and 2 passable 17 yo wingers with at least weak in their secondary and never paid > 30k for any of them. a couple I got for less than 5k.I have some of my better players in wing back to just get the lesser training since I'm likely going to keep them for later

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Ángel Anania   $11k
TSI = 350 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina:  	inadequate 	    Keeper:  	disastrous
Playmaking:  	wretched 	    Passing:  	weak
Winger:  	solid 	    Defending:  	poor
Scoring:  	wretched 	    Set pieces:  	poor

Germán Adrián Ramón Grasso   $10k
TSI = 400 , 17 years, passable form
Has non-existent experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina:  	inadequate 	    Keeper:  	disastrous
Playmaking:  	poor 	    Passing:  	poor
Winger:  	solid 	    Defending:  	weak
Scoring:  	poor 	    Set pieces:  	inadequate

Józef Studniarek   $2k
TSI = 550 , 17 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina:  	passable 	    Keeper:  	disastrous
Playmaking:  	weak 	    Passing:  	poor
Winger:  	passable 	    Defending:  	poor
Scoring:  	inadequate 	    Set pieces:  	weak

Niklas Magnusson   $1k
TSI = 270 , 17 years, passable form
Has non-existent experience and passable leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina:  	excellent 	    Keeper:  	disastrous
Playmaking:  	wretched 	    Passing:  	wretched
Winger:  	passable 	    Defending:  	wretched
Scoring:  	inadequate 	    Set pieces:  	poor
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Old 30-03-2007, 20:32   #186
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The 2 last ones were steals, definitely.

Well, none of my 8 trainees is below inadequate in his secondary skill, that was one of my mandatory restriction, the other one being passable in winger at least of course. There's also a third restriction I had, though not 100% mandatory but quite close ; I followed it for all of them here, would you find this one ? (I'll post a question about it soon if no one finds)
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Old 30-03-2007, 20:42   #187
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well they're all calm or balanced. That'll hurt you when you sell them though.
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well they're all calm or balanced. That'll hurt you when you sell them though.
Hehe, good find !! Actually, I chose players with only positive terms in those 3 categories, ie. at least pleasant, balanced and honest. I intend to do that in the future in most cases.

So, my question : is it worth it ? It comes with just a little extra effort when you browse the market, but is there an advantage with that ? Shouldn't that help me when I buy them (symetrical to the fact that it hurts me when I sell them) ? And what do those 3 things really really mean ? I hope they get less cards overall, am I right ?
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cards depends on honesty and aggresiveness.

I think you have bought a little better trainees than tubby. specially the passble passing will help you and drive the price up. I personnally think that all wingers shold have some pm, since this cuts cost foor midfield salaries. I am not sure at whicht level this starts to become a factor though. My worldclass midfileder just asks for 10k a week which is not that difficult to finance.
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quote:That's a total of 191k for 8 players, ie. 23,875 € per trainee. Quite OK, I think.
I got some steals then. I bought 2 solids and 2 passable 17 yo wingers with at least weak in their secondary and never paid > 30k for any of them. a couple I got for less than 5k...
Prices have gone up since the IS/week 1... I payed a bit more than Tubby and Krys, but also because I went shopping for higher skilled wingers (a.o. a few excellent ones).
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