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Matrix · 10-05-2004, 13:13

I have seen too many people cheating on the GOTM when I administrated it to I think that cheating on a game like this can be translated to what (s)he would be in real life. Still, I don't understand why anyone would do it. What's the fun of winning a game when you cheated? Why would you cheat at all if it's just a game?!

What will happen when we have another reunion of CDZ?

col · 10-05-2004, 13:15

I've thought about this and the only scenario that makes sense to me is something along the lines that Erikk indicated. Sky and Killer were more vociferous than anyone in the Ribannah witch hunt. As Erikk has indicated Sky has been suspicious that he has been cheated against on more than one occasion. My guess - and thats all it is - is that at some point Sky has reached breaking point and thought - fuck it, if you cant beat them, might as well join them - and has cheated to demonstrate how fucked off he has become by the whole process. I'm not justifying anything, just trying to understand how this might have happened.

Bottom line? It's a game. No-one died. Get over it.

Socrates · 10-05-2004, 13:16

Didn't Sky give the idea of going to his house in France someday in the summer ?

I'm not asking anything, but at least I hope his reputation will be cleaned up a little by then... Anyway, I have a solution for those who fear other people can cheat in PBEMs : only play PBEMs in CDZ reunions !!!

akots · 10-05-2004, 13:18

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quote:Originally posted by yndy ... I don’t think it has anything to do with the ISDG, it’s not like Sky is playing the turns and all the CDZ team fails to notice temples popping out here and there. ...

How do the other teams know? IMHO, this can be a serious issue. At least it might require clear statement from Anarres.

@Anarres: If such a statement is made I'll try to bring it to CFC team (with Yndy's help) to make sure they understand this had no implications on ISDG.

akots · 10-05-2004, 13:24

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quote:Originally posted by kryszcztov ... Anyway, I have a solution for those who fear other people can cheat in PBEMs : only play PBEMs in CDZ reunions !!!

If you ever come to Houston (or Moscow depending on where I am atm), or I come to Paris. I'm jealous you can meet in Amsterdam and play there a hot MP game.

col · 10-05-2004, 13:25

I dont think this has any implications at all for ISDG.

Cheating by editing the saves would need the collusion of the whole team and thats never going to happen - especially here with lots of players joining the discussions. All the saves are available and have been loaded by many different players.

anarres · 10-05-2004, 13:34

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quote:Originally posted by akots

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quote:Originally posted by yndy ... I don’t think it has anything to do with the ISDG, it’s not like Sky is playing the turns and all the CDZ team fails to notice temples popping out here and there. ...

How do the other teams know? IMHO, this can be a serious issue. At least it might require clear statement from Anarres.

@Anarres: If such a statement is made I'll try to bring it to CFC team (with Yndy's help) to make sure they understand this had no implications on ISDG.

Akots, there is absolutely NO evidence that Sky cheated in any way with the ISDG. His current ban from it is because we haven't had any explanation of these events from Sky, and because it could harm the team morale to have Sky on it and commenting on the game.

I have spoken with the ISDG admins and the matter is already being investigated and dealt with.

Melifluous · 10-05-2004, 13:49

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quote:Originally posted by col

Bottom line? It's a game. No-one died. Get over it.

Best thing I have read all day.

Melifluous

Matrix · 10-05-2004, 17:57

Yep.

Still, Kemal simply lost a lot of time in what he thought would be fun...

Aggie · 10-05-2004, 18:24

I feel that I have to explain myself. I totally understand Kemal's point of view and also understand that he feels betrayed. Therefore I agree with the steps taken, which are pretty painful for Sky I'd say. But despite what he did I like to stay in contact with him. He did a lot of things for me that I'm thankful for.

10-05-2004, 13:13	#21
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	I have seen too many people cheating on the GOTM when I administrated it to I think that cheating on a game like this can be translated to what (s)he would be in real life. Still, I don't understand why anyone would do it. What's the fun of winning a game when you cheated? Why would you cheat at all if it's just a game?! What will happen when we have another reunion of CDZ? __________________

10-05-2004, 13:15	#22
col King Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Sandwich Islands. Posts: 1,529	I've thought about this and the only scenario that makes sense to me is something along the lines that Erikk indicated. Sky and Killer were more vociferous than anyone in the Ribannah witch hunt. As Erikk has indicated Sky has been suspicious that he has been cheated against on more than one occasion. My guess - and thats all it is - is that at some point Sky has reached breaking point and thought - fuck it, if you cant beat them, might as well join them - and has cheated to demonstrate how fucked off he has become by the whole process. I'm not justifying anything, just trying to understand how this might have happened. Bottom line? It's a game. No-one died. Get over it. __________________ I can't be arsed.

10-05-2004, 13:16	#23
Socrates Emperor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,946	Didn't Sky give the idea of going to his house in France someday in the summer ? I'm not asking anything, but at least I hope his reputation will be cleaned up a little by then... Anyway, I have a solution for those who fear other people can cheat in PBEMs : only play PBEMs in CDZ reunions !!! __________________ Sent from my Debian

10-05-2004, 13:25	#26
col King Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Sandwich Islands. Posts: 1,529	I dont think this has any implications at all for ISDG. Cheating by editing the saves would need the collusion of the whole team and thats never going to happen - especially here with lots of players joining the discussions. All the saves are available and have been loaded by many different players. __________________ I can't be arsed.

10-05-2004, 17:57	#29
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	Yep. Still, Kemal simply lost a lot of time in what he thought would be fun... __________________

10-05-2004, 18:24	#30
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	I feel that I have to explain myself. I totally understand Kemal's point of view and also understand that he feels betrayed. Therefore I agree with the steps taken, which are pretty painful for Sky I'd say. But despite what he did I like to stay in contact with him. He did a lot of things for me that I'm thankful for.