Help with an in-game question

IglooDude · 17-11-2006, 17:49

There are four civs. Civs A, B, and C have an alliance, and conclude a war with Civ D by including a 5-turn war-notification requirement into the treaty (no expiration date).

Then Civ C declares neutrality, and starts an in-game defensive pact with Civ D. Civ A and B (still allied) attack Civ C. Civ D automatically declares war because of the pact. Is Civ D still bound by the 5-turn notification?

Whomp · 17-11-2006, 17:53

Hehe. I just xposted the same question in the Q&A thread.

Tubby Rower · 17-11-2006, 18:16

I would argue no. Civ A and Civ B were actually violating the treaty be forcing Civ D to declare due to the defensive pact.

barbu1977 · 17-11-2006, 18:28

I think it depends if the defensive pact is known to civ A and B (I'm not sure if it is shown in the diplomatic screen).

If it is known, Tubby is right.

If it is not known, I think they should stick to the 5 turn declaration.

Robboo · 17-11-2006, 18:38

we sorta had this in the CFC game.

You guys are confusing hard coded diplo with behind door human diplo. You cant bitch if the hard coded diplo causes war to be declared against the human to human diplo. you need to decide....if you allow the human to human diplo then any result of the hard coded diplo are just a fact of life. Get on with it and play.

Oh and link to the game in question would be nice.

BCLG100 · 17-11-2006, 18:43

its the civIVor game, people go look at my spoiler it has pictures!

tubby you like pictures!!!!

IglooDude · 17-11-2006, 18:45

I don't think we're confusing the two, we're just trying to clarify whether one supersedes the other.

Anyway, the issue has been resolved in any case. Game in question is the CivIVor game - the LAoD had someone (VRWCAgent) declare neutrality, and I (and momentarily the rest of the LAoD) just attacked him, which triggered the war declaration from BCLG, the question was whether he was free to actually attack me, or whether (despite the war declaration) he was going to hold off for five turns.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...182127&page=17 or just look at BCLG's, Whomp's, or my spoiler.

BCLG100 · 17-11-2006, 18:47

btw the LAoD members will have to actually declare on me ID because the defensive pact gets cancelled when its used up once- for some unknown reason :S

IglooDude · 17-11-2006, 18:55

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quote:Originally posted by BCLG100

btw the LAoD members will have to actually declare on me ID because the defensive pact gets cancelled when its used up once- for some unknown reason :S

Well that's an odd behavior. Hey, if you really wanna freak them out just declare war on all of them.

Although maybe you'd better not, it sounds like Davo is ready to go off half-cocked...

Whomp · 17-11-2006, 18:56

Davo had some angry pills today. Maybe he's preparing for a mosh pit or sumpin.

17-11-2006, 17:49	#1
IglooDude Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Hampshire. Posts: 723	Help with an in-game question There are four civs. Civs A, B, and C have an alliance, and conclude a war with Civ D by including a 5-turn war-notification requirement into the treaty (no expiration date). Then Civ C declares neutrality, and starts an in-game defensive pact with Civ D. Civ A and B (still allied) attack Civ C. Civ D automatically declares war because of the pact. Is Civ D still bound by the 5-turn notification? __________________ \"The new sheriff is in town and I only take vassal states. You don\'t have enough cities to be a vassal.\" - Whomp

17-11-2006, 17:53	#2
Whomp King Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago. Posts: 2,388	Hehe. I just xposted the same question in the Q&A thread. __________________ If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.--W. C. Fields

17-11-2006, 18:16	#3
Tubby Rower Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle of VA. Posts: 3,896	I would argue no. Civ A and Civ B were actually violating the treaty be forcing Civ D to declare due to the defensive pact. __________________ 3/2006 : Now, surely that must be because some fists might have caused internal damage to certain delicate parts?

17-11-2006, 18:28	#4
barbu1977 Emperor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Blame Canada!. Posts: 3,501	I think it depends if the defensive pact is known to civ A and B (I'm not sure if it is shown in the diplomatic screen). If it is known, Tubby is right. If it is not known, I think they should stick to the 5 turn declaration. __________________ Postcount = Postcount + 1; //Postcount++

17-11-2006, 18:43	#6
BCLG100 Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lahndan Posts: 6,220	its the civIVor game, people go look at my spoiler it has pictures! tubby you like pictures!!!! __________________ the sooner you fall behind, the more time you\'ll have to catch up! CDZ Cup Champion!!!

17-11-2006, 18:38	#5
Robboo King Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cajun Country. Posts: 2,002	we sorta had this in the CFC game. You guys are confusing hard coded diplo with behind door human diplo. You cant bitch if the hard coded diplo causes war to be declared against the human to human diplo. you need to decide....if you allow the human to human diplo then any result of the hard coded diplo are just a fact of life. Get on with it and play. Oh and link to the game in question would be nice.

17-11-2006, 18:45	#7
IglooDude Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Hampshire. Posts: 723	I don't think we're confusing the two, we're just trying to clarify whether one supersedes the other. Anyway, the issue has been resolved in any case. Game in question is the CivIVor game - the LAoD had someone (VRWCAgent) declare neutrality, and I (and momentarily the rest of the LAoD) just attacked him, which triggered the war declaration from BCLG, the question was whether he was free to actually attack me, or whether (despite the war declaration) he was going to hold off for five turns. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...182127&page=17 or just look at BCLG's, Whomp's, or my spoiler. __________________ \"The new sheriff is in town and I only take vassal states. You don\'t have enough cities to be a vassal.\" - Whomp

17-11-2006, 18:47	#8
BCLG100 Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lahndan Posts: 6,220	btw the LAoD members will have to actually declare on me ID because the defensive pact gets cancelled when its used up once- for some unknown reason :S __________________ the sooner you fall behind, the more time you\'ll have to catch up! CDZ Cup Champion!!!

17-11-2006, 18:56	#10
Whomp King Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago. Posts: 2,388	Davo had some angry pills today. Maybe he's preparing for a mosh pit or sumpin. __________________ If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.--W. C. Fields