DDCP - Dutch Disappointed Civ4 Players PBEM - Page 2

Beam · 02-11-2005, 20:39

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

Are you gonna abandon all your cities and start all over in a different spot?

Seriously, why don't you play for yourself?

Good one Matrix! My replacement turns for erikk were not as spectacular as the ones by the now dead other replacement player.

Matrix · 02-11-2005, 23:37

Ville, Classical_Hero, I don't know what the maximum number of players is to keep it fun (I mean 18 players will take too long), but I think basically former DDPP players have priority, after that other Dutchmen, and after that the rest. It seems the first group won't be enough by far, and second doesn't get very enthusiastic either, so then you're probably in...

ProPain · 02-11-2005, 23:47

Ready to get trounced. Me lucky, the game functions on the laptop, I only have the random crashes.

This will be my only pbem at least untill 1/1/06 so I'm very excited about it!

Ville · 03-11-2005, 15:16

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

Ville, Classical_Hero, I don't know what the maximum number of players is to keep it fun (I mean 18 players will take too long), but I think basically former DDPP players have priority, after that other Dutchmen, and after that the rest. It seems the first group won't be enough by far, and second doesn't get very enthusiastic either, so then you're probably in...

That's nice but I don't have Civ4 until maybe early December

Kemal · 03-11-2005, 19:00

One subject that merits some discussions is what we will do with the map, or more specifically, who will create the map.

I might be dropping a bomb here, but I would favour to let the game create the map itself, and not use a mapmaker for this one.

Not only does this fit the historical perspective of the game (the original was played on a full random map as well, after all), but I also feel that the Civ4 generator is much more capable of balancing starting locations. It actively compares each start and modifies it with regard to early available luxes and resources, meaning that a start such as Erik had in DDPP should be out of the question. This doesn't necessarily mean all will start even, but it is a risk I personally am willing to take.

Adding to that, I think that mapmakers will need to gain some experience too by playing the game for some time first, before succesfully being able to assess the ins and outs of a fairly balanced start (as well as figuring out the ins and outs of the editor itself). No need to put that burden on someone just yet, especially for a big multihuman game.

What do you guys think?

Btw, I do not have the full game yet either, but will probably be able to play turns in about a week.

grs · 03-11-2005, 19:05

Random is ok with me, but we should chose some parameters like landform at least.

ERIKK · 03-11-2005, 21:04

No jungle starts this game would be nice...

Beam · 03-11-2005, 21:27

Fully agree with Kemal! Some familiarization with the editor would be required as well btw.

@ERIKK: Jungle still needs clearing but only a very few turns.

Matrix · 04-11-2005, 01:45

I agree with Kemal too. I think I mostly prefer continents or archipelago. It's a shame there's no random function where you get one of those three (except tilted axes).

What has also crossed my mind is the fact that Kemal was beta tester and given his reputation at Civ3 he might be much much better than the rest of us.

But there's nothing to do about that, except take it easy on starting this game.

Rik Meleet · 04-11-2005, 02:05

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quote:Originally posted by MatrixWhat has also crossed my mind is the fact that Kemal was beta tester and given his reputation at Civ3 he might be much much better than the rest of us.

But there's nothing to do about that, except take it easy on starting this game.

Chicken...

Can I be a backup-player in case someone leaves the game early ? I am Dutch. I am disappointed (just not sure with what).

02-11-2005, 23:37	#12
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	Ville, Classical_Hero, I don't know what the maximum number of players is to keep it fun (I mean 18 players will take too long), but I think basically former DDPP players have priority, after that other Dutchmen, and after that the rest. It seems the first group won't be enough by far, and second doesn't get very enthusiastic either, so then you're probably in... __________________

02-11-2005, 23:47	#13
ProPain Customized Admin :) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: sailing the seas of cheese. Posts: 5,852	Ready to get trounced. Me lucky, the game functions on the laptop, I only have the random crashes. This will be my only pbem at least untill 1/1/06 so I'm very excited about it! __________________ I fed my Dog the American Dream Well, he rolled over and he started to scream He said, I dig the taste of salt but it don't keep me alive yeah, yeah

03-11-2005, 19:00	#15
Kemal Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands. Posts: 3,108	One subject that merits some discussions is what we will do with the map, or more specifically, who will create the map. I might be dropping a bomb here, but I would favour to let the game create the map itself, and not use a mapmaker for this one. Not only does this fit the historical perspective of the game (the original was played on a full random map as well, after all), but I also feel that the Civ4 generator is much more capable of balancing starting locations. It actively compares each start and modifies it with regard to early available luxes and resources, meaning that a start such as Erik had in DDPP should be out of the question. This doesn't necessarily mean all will start even, but it is a risk I personally am willing to take. Adding to that, I think that mapmakers will need to gain some experience too by playing the game for some time first, before succesfully being able to assess the ins and outs of a fairly balanced start (as well as figuring out the ins and outs of the editor itself). No need to put that burden on someone just yet, especially for a big multihuman game. What do you guys think? Btw, I do not have the full game yet either, but will probably be able to play turns in about a week. __________________ <b>\"In the Game of Thrones, you win or you die\" </b>

03-11-2005, 19:05	#16
grs The Nameless One Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany. Posts: 1,449	Random is ok with me, but we should chose some parameters like landform at least. __________________ grs / Grookshank

03-11-2005, 21:27	#18
Beam c00l b33r Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Beat 'm up Scotty!. Lives in the Lands that are Nether. Posts: 5,094	Fully agree with Kemal! Some familiarization with the editor would be required as well btw. @ERIKK: Jungle still needs clearing but only a very few turns. __________________ That was a pretty good gamble. -- Scotty, The Galileo Seven, stardate 2821.5, Episode 14 Linux never looked this good!

03-11-2005, 21:04	#17
ERIKK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands!. Posts: 2,636	No jungle starts this game would be nice...

04-11-2005, 01:45	#19
Matrix Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 4,828	I agree with Kemal too. I think I mostly prefer continents or archipelago. It's a shame there's no random function where you get one of those three (except tilted axes). What has also crossed my mind is the fact that Kemal was beta tester and given his reputation at Civ3 he might be much much better than the rest of us. But there's nothing to do about that, except take it easy on starting this game. __________________