CDZCOL I: Row the boat!

[akots]

Originally Posted by Stapel

... KC, drop the criminal back to the European dock, buy a LJ and ship the 100 tools and the lumberjack to Shabbaville. ...

I would not do that as I wrote in an earlier post, seems that you got yourself confused over the lumber. Criminal is free and is as good as anything else for the current situation.

I think we would need to go with Darkness's plan of building a fish city and farming for pioneers. The land is not very abundant and has to be grabbed, otherwise we will play the whole game with just 2 cities.

Also, Monte can be whipped out of existence, he has only two cities with a handful of warriors (no more than 10 total).

[Stapel]

Originally Posted by akots

Hmm, actually, we don't need a lumberjack in Shabbatown. You were confused since we don't chop 1 lumber, we just get a net increase of 1 lumber per turn there since more is chopped than used by a carpenter there. So, if we get an expert lumberjack, we would be generating excess lumber. We can ship it somewhere sometimes later, but not really right now right away.

With tools, we can rush galleon, no big deal here. Also, we need another city soon.

You seem to forget that if you want to rush, you either need to have the lumber or you have to buy it. We most certainly need lumber, either way!!

Originally Posted by akots

You realize, this is about 30-35 turns just to bring anyone there and then same 35 turns to bring back unless there are better ships and even then, it will take too long to actually make any sense. By this time, in 100 turns, the game can be over.

What does this have to do with talking to chiefs????????

[Stapel]

Originally Posted by akots

I would not do that as I wrote in an earlier post, seems that you got yourself confused over the lumber. Criminal is free and is as good as anything else for the current situation.

No, I am not confused.

We need to buy the lumber (more expensive than purchasing in Europe) AND we need to pay for converting lumber into production (afaik always 6 gold per converted lumber), and for tools (also more expensive) if we lack them. A lumberjack adds 7 more lumber. Lumber costs 4 in Europe and more in the colonies. We thus save 28 to ?36? gold each turns. I guess that pays off at some time.

I think we would need to go with Darkness's plan of building a fish city and farming for pioneers. The land is not very abundant and has to be grabbed, otherwise we will play the whole game with just 2 cities.

Yeah that too. But we really need a galleon to do whatever we want.

Also, Monte can be whipped out of existence, he has only two cities with a handful of warriors (no more than 10 total).

Pushing him out with culture might be easier. Not sure though.

[ProPain]

Originally Posted by akots

Hmm, actually, we don't need a lumberjack in Shabbatown. You were confused since we don't chop 1 lumber, we just get a net increase of 1 lumber per turn there since more is chopped than used by a carpenter there. So, if we get an expert lumberjack, we would be generating excess lumber. We can ship it somewhere sometimes later, but not really right now right away.

With tools, we can rush galleon, no big deal here. Also, we need another city soon.

But when we get an expert lumberjack we can make a 2nd carpenter out of the original lumberjack and build stuff quicker

[ProPain]

Originally Posted by akots

I think we would need to go with Darkness's plan of building a fish city and farming for pioneers. The land is not very abundant and has to be grabbed, otherwise we will play the whole game with just 2 cities.

Also, Monte can be whipped out of existence, he has only two cities with a handful of warriors (no more than 10 total).

I thought Darkness was opposed to my fishermencity suggestion or has there been another plan I missed?

Also trading with the indians is quite lucrative in the beginning so we should definitely pick up the money from Monte before we kill him.

PLaying a few games I found that the all the villages from one tribe share the same funds like a normal Civ4 civ. So you can easily clean out a tribe's coffers by trading the first requested trade goods (usually trade goods/horses/tools) to a few villages and so prevent trading the guns/cigars/rum they usually ask after that.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by ProPain

I thought Darkness was opposed to my fishermencity suggestion or has there been another plan I missed?

I am indeed opposed to that plan...

Originally Posted by ProPain

Also trading with the indians is quite lucrative in the beginning so we should definitely pick up the money from Monte before we kill him.

I totally agree. Bleed 'em dry financially before killing him.

[akots]

Originally Posted by ProPain

But when we get an expert lumberjack we can make a 2nd carpenter out of the original lumberjack and build stuff quicker

Ok, this makes sense.

[akots]

Originally Posted by Stapel

... We need to buy the lumber (more expensive than purchasing in Europe) AND we need to pay for converting lumber into production (afaik always 6 gold per converted lumber), and for tools (also more expensive) if we lack them. A lumberjack adds 7 more lumber. Lumber costs 4 in Europe and more in the colonies. We thus save 28 to ?36? gold each turns. I guess that pays off at some time. ...

Ok, got that. I had no idea about total amount of lumber we need. Is it 300 for a 300 hammer unit?

[akots]

Originally Posted by ProPain

... So you can easily clean out a tribe's coffers by trading the first requested trade goods (usually trade goods/horses/tools) to a few villages and so prevent trading the guns/cigars/rum they usually ask after that.

Is wagon needed for that?

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by akots

Is wagon needed for that?

If the village is on the coast you can also trade by ship...