Introducing a new team : Krys Olympic - Page 4

Socrates · 06-07-2006, 23:04

Well, 1 of my crappy players is already on the transfer list, as you can see ; will I have to pay him his salary (the bid ends on Sunday evening) ? The last guy is obviously the coach, and I need one, even if he is crappy. But I have one question : how many players do I have to keep in my club ? 11 at least, of course, but I saw there are 5 players on the bench for each match. So if I fire those 5 guys at the bottom, I will be left with 14 guys, and no coach. Sure in this case I have to recruit more players, no ? And should I fire them or sell them ? Isn't selling always better ?

Mistfit · 06-07-2006, 23:47

you will need to fire them as no one will buy them from you. They are worthless.

Keep the coach until you get a new one.

At this point you need to decide what you will train then you can put a plan together for what you need to buy and sell

akots · 07-07-2006, 00:49

It makes sense to sell only something that others will buy.

You can go really cheap and buy yourself a few passable players in the main skill to complement the squad to total of 16-17 players. Usually, you need more than minimal 16-17 (that coach should never be allowed in the field imho) because some can get injured but for the present time it can be OK. You can try to start playing with 3-5-2 and for this you need 3 passable defenders (Lenoir, Mouysset, Cussac), 2 wingers (Macrez, Bach), 3 midfields (Faye, Marouby, third is missing, you can try to buy one), and 2 forwards (Boissonneault, Benedetti and Raud, so you have one extra here) or you can immediately start playing 3-4-3 with same defenders, 2 wingers, 2 playmakers, and 3 forwards. In the latter case you don't have to buy anything while trying to use some inadequates as substitutions.

Also you have to decide on what to train and adjust you lineup accordingly while trying to get some cash to buy a solid coach so that the training is more efficient.

Tubby Rower · 07-07-2006, 00:59

Also... You don't have to have 5 backups in your lineups.... I played with just 2 or 3 for a while. But since I'm competitive in my league (bottom in the US) I went out and got backups.

BCLG100 · 07-07-2006, 01:36

I have about 18 players and 6 of them are trainees.

with one back up for them

Aggie · 07-07-2006, 08:16

Question from a newbie: Would it be a good idea for Krys to train stamina first? The midfielders really need to improve that skill to be as effective as can be.

Tubby Rower · 07-07-2006, 12:36

I can't believe that they didn't give you at least an inadequate keeper!! the best you have (I've scanned the list 3 times) is a weak keeper in Jean-Damien Duvivier. He'll need to be fired once you find a replacement. But don't find a replacement until you decide on your training. Since it is at the end of the season, you should be able to get a passable / solid keeper for cheap. Passable trainees run around 40k - 50k; solids run 120k to 150k. you should be able to get an older one for cheaper. If you decide to train GK, then try to find a current 17 yo passable. everyone ages in 5 weeks. You can use one of the keeper tools (the one from kayasaki is better because of the unknown option) http://www.hottrick.org/hattrick_keeper_tool.php .

Answer from a newbie to Aggie's question, I would say yes train stamina for a week or 3 or until krys decides on a training regime.

socralynnek · 07-07-2006, 13:28

I'd advise you to train keepers for a while (but for the moment 1-2 weeks of Stamina seem like a good idea)
You have no decent keeper, so you'd have to buy one either way. Keepers is a good training for new teams as you can sell the first relatively fast and once you change your training you have a decent keeper to keep. And you would only have to buy two young (17-18 years) keepers instead of at least 6 for other training types.

Tubby did the same and I think it was good advice.

Tubby Rower · 07-07-2006, 14:03

If you do decide on training keepers, there is a GoalKeeping trainers Federation you can join if you are a supporter. but it looks like you aren't. They have 3 threads in that federation for ads 1. GK <= Excellent, 2. GK >= formiddable, 3. non-keeper sales. Training GK is the most flexible training regime as it will let you react to your opponents' formations rather than have to always play 5 midfielders, 3 forwards, etc. The money isn't bad and could come quick if you needed it since a 17-18yo GK takes ~5 weeks to pop levels with a solid skilled coach.

I've been keeping an eye out on prices and such for everything in there. If anyone else is looking for a keeper, you might want to join this fed until you get one just to keep an eye on the appropriate threads.

Tubby Rower · 07-07-2006, 15:15

I looked at your team and this is what I've come up with (although I'm new so feel free to ignore any and/or all of this). I put the important stats next to the players. The stats in the parenthesis are contributing but necessary stats.

Code:

[u]Forwards</u>
1. Hilaire Raud solid scoring
2. Raymond Benedetti passable scoring (passable passing)
3. Mathieu Boissonneault passable scoring

[u]Midfielders</u>
1. Thierno Faye solid playmaking
2. Jean Marouby passable playmaking
3. Yvan Bach inadequate playmaking & passable winger  &lt;- could be played towards wing to strengthen one side if needed

[u]Wingers</u>
1. Laurent Macrez solid winger & inadequate passing
2. Daoud Laymani inadequate winger & solid passing (inadequate scoring)

[u]Central Defenders</u>
1. Thomas Plançon inadequate defending & solid set pieces (passable passing)
2. Jean-Lou Mouysset passable defending (inadequate passing & passable scoring)
3. Laurent Lenoir passable defending (passable passing)

[u]Wing Backs</u>
1. Victor Cussac passable defending & inadequate winger

[u]GK</u>
none -&gt; you need to buy one

[u] maybe try to sell</u>
Naim Talfah  solid set pieces but inadequate defending isn't needed since you have 3 already

[u]firing squad</u> &lt;- you can only fire one player per 12 hours so get cracking
Jean-Damien Duvivier
Valère Gaudefroy
Esteban Touze
Alexis Brisset  &lt;- if he doesn't sell, which if he does, I'll be surprised
Jean Lebreton

so it looks like you could play a 3-5-2, 3-4-3, 4-4-2 and if you keep Naim Talfah as a defender it will open up 5-3-2 and 5-4-1. You have a fairly versitile squad and except for lacking a keeper it's not too bad. Your players TSI (and thereby performance) will increase as their form increases. You should hire at least one GK coach and 1 assistant coach as they improve form. If you are going to train stamina for a few weeks, expect your form to drop a bit, but it WILL get better. There isn't too much further to go down in form.

06-07-2006, 23:04	#31
Socrates Emperor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,946	Well, 1 of my crappy players is already on the transfer list, as you can see ; will I have to pay him his salary (the bid ends on Sunday evening) ? The last guy is obviously the coach, and I need one, even if he is crappy. But I have one question : how many players do I have to keep in my club ? 11 at least, of course, but I saw there are 5 players on the bench for each match. So if I fire those 5 guys at the bottom, I will be left with 14 guys, and no coach. Sure in this case I have to recruit more players, no ? And should I fire them or sell them ? Isn't selling always better ? __________________ Sent from my Debian

06-07-2006, 23:47	#32
Mistfit King Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: idunno. Posts: 2,428	you will need to fire them as no one will buy them from you. They are worthless. Keep the coach until you get a new one. At this point you need to decide what you will train then you can put a plan together for what you need to buy and sell __________________ Stumbling from pillar to post...

07-07-2006, 00:49	#33
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	It makes sense to sell only something that others will buy. You can go really cheap and buy yourself a few passable players in the main skill to complement the squad to total of 16-17 players. Usually, you need more than minimal 16-17 (that coach should never be allowed in the field imho) because some can get injured but for the present time it can be OK. You can try to start playing with 3-5-2 and for this you need 3 passable defenders (Lenoir, Mouysset, Cussac), 2 wingers (Macrez, Bach), 3 midfields (Faye, Marouby, third is missing, you can try to buy one), and 2 forwards (Boissonneault, Benedetti and Raud, so you have one extra here) or you can immediately start playing 3-4-3 with same defenders, 2 wingers, 2 playmakers, and 3 forwards. In the latter case you don't have to buy anything while trying to use some inadequates as substitutions. Also you have to decide on what to train and adjust you lineup accordingly while trying to get some cash to buy a solid coach so that the training is more efficient. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

07-07-2006, 00:59	#34
Tubby Rower Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle of VA. Posts: 3,896	Also... You don't have to have 5 backups in your lineups.... I played with just 2 or 3 for a while. But since I'm competitive in my league (bottom in the US) I went out and got backups. __________________ 3/2006 : Now, surely that must be because some fists might have caused internal damage to certain delicate parts?

07-07-2006, 01:36	#35
BCLG100 Deity Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lahndan Posts: 6,220	I have about 18 players and 6 of them are trainees. with one back up for them __________________ the sooner you fall behind, the more time you\'ll have to catch up! CDZ Cup Champion!!!

07-07-2006, 08:16	#36
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	Question from a newbie: Would it be a good idea for Krys to train stamina first? The midfielders really need to improve that skill to be as effective as can be.

07-07-2006, 12:36	#37
Tubby Rower Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle of VA. Posts: 3,896	I can't believe that they didn't give you at least an inadequate keeper!! the best you have (I've scanned the list 3 times) is a weak keeper in Jean-Damien Duvivier. He'll need to be fired once you find a replacement. But don't find a replacement until you decide on your training. Since it is at the end of the season, you should be able to get a passable / solid keeper for cheap. Passable trainees run around 40k - 50k; solids run 120k to 150k. you should be able to get an older one for cheaper. If you decide to train GK, then try to find a current 17 yo passable. everyone ages in 5 weeks. You can use one of the keeper tools (the one from kayasaki is better because of the unknown option) http://www.hottrick.org/hattrick_keeper_tool.php . Answer from a newbie to Aggie's question, I would say yes train stamina for a week or 3 or until krys decides on a training regime. __________________ 3/2006 : Now, surely that must be because some fists might have caused internal damage to certain delicate parts?

07-07-2006, 13:28	#38
socralynnek Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USS Defiant Posts: 3,827	I'd advise you to train keepers for a while (but for the moment 1-2 weeks of Stamina seem like a good idea) You have no decent keeper, so you'd have to buy one either way. Keepers is a good training for new teams as you can sell the first relatively fast and once you change your training you have a decent keeper to keep. And you would only have to buy two young (17-18 years) keepers instead of at least 6 for other training types. Tubby did the same and I think it was good advice. __________________ Being without a signature since November 2004.

07-07-2006, 14:03	#39
Tubby Rower Moderator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Middle of VA. Posts: 3,896	If you do decide on training keepers, there is a GoalKeeping trainers Federation you can join if you are a supporter. but it looks like you aren't. They have 3 threads in that federation for ads 1. GK <= Excellent, 2. GK >= formiddable, 3. non-keeper sales. Training GK is the most flexible training regime as it will let you react to your opponents' formations rather than have to always play 5 midfielders, 3 forwards, etc. The money isn't bad and could come quick if you needed it since a 17-18yo GK takes ~5 weeks to pop levels with a solid skilled coach. I've been keeping an eye out on prices and such for everything in there. If anyone else is looking for a keeper, you might want to join this fed until you get one just to keep an eye on the appropriate threads. __________________ 3/2006 : Now, surely that must be because some fists might have caused internal damage to certain delicate parts?