Big changes

socralynnek · 27-02-2010, 11:12

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Originally Posted by arne1

I have just glanced at the changes, it might be a reason to quit. How can you make a long term plan while the rules are constantly changing. I think I will just wait and see.

Sorry, but I don't agree.

The HTs are constantly changing parts of the game, but at a really slow pace. So it was always the case that you have to adapt your long term strategy to the changes.

And, as always, I don't think that the effect of these changes are that relevant for a long term strategy or that big. Some parts, especially midfield is tuned down a bit, some parts are made a little stronger. That's something you always have to expect.

That's a difference to a game like Civ. If you don't like a change in a patch, just play with an older version...but that's not possible with an online game.

arne1 · 28-02-2010, 01:46

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Originally Posted by socralynnek

Sorry, but I don't agree.

The HTs are constantly changing parts of the game, but at a really slow pace. So it was always the case that you have to adapt your long term strategy to the changes.

And, as always, I don't think that the effect of these changes are that relevant for a long term strategy or that big. Some parts, especially midfield is tuned down a bit, some parts are made a little stronger. That's something you always have to expect.

That's a difference to a game like Civ. If you don't like a change in a patch, just play with an older version...but that's not possible with an online game.

I'm (getting) old. I do not adapt to change anymore. I used to like all the changes since it made advantage for the longer playing teams smaller, now I am against it for the same reason. Second I do not want to free time to learn about all the changes. Allthough I like the possibility to gain experience in 5-5-0 and 2-5-3, which suits my passing training and now i should be able to also get some results with that.
It could also mean I keep pm heavy tdfw now instead of selling it. Since my midfield is not so strong and will be weakened furhter by this.

fortunately I am in federation where thet break the info down in little bits for me, so I can still manage to keep up.

Shabbaman · 28-02-2010, 10:52

You were old when you started with hattrick!

socralynnek · 28-02-2010, 10:59

I don't know how big the changes will be really, but with the past changes, I had the feeling, that you could just play on like before and slowly adapt to the changes. And I have the feeling that these changes won't differ.

OK, those who adapt faster will have a slight advantage, but it's not like the others are totally out of the way.

There are no engine changes, so the concept still is: midfield will still be most important part.

As a midfield trainer, I don't know what will be best for my team. I was not training perfectly effective in the oast few seasons anyway, so I might play 4-4-2 more often next season, thus losing one spot. But that was the question for defending trainers or scoring trainers as well always. But I see it more poswitive. My strategy is now challenged, but that isfor a lot of teams. Let's see whether I can get along with the changes better than other teams.

Aggie · 01-03-2010, 11:30

Big changes indeed, but to it looks ok. I like the fact that other formation will be ok-ed as well. For me it comes at a perfect time. As soon as I understand the new concept I will start climbinh the ladder again.

yndy · 14-03-2010, 04:37

Changes will be big to my understanding and midfield will be hit (not necessarily midfielders). Anyway transfer market reacts with a lag so no rush to sell players.

Multiskill players will gain importance (yet again) and I'd consider buying another defender to play 4-4-2. Well, I do have 6 of them, but you may want to do that too.

Shabbaman · 19-04-2010, 13:16

Is there anyone who could shed some more light on this? Is it time to consider 4-4-2 with offensive CD and defensive FC?

akots · 19-04-2010, 13:34

It is impossible to predict at the moment. The details are unknown and have to be tested. I'm relying mostly on foxtrick predictions and they have not updated it yet. The main question is whether possession is tweaked down or role of midfielders in possession is tweaked down? Yes, I know what they say in editorials. But what actually will happen may be quite different. I guess first few matches might get screwed a little bit.

socralynnek · 19-04-2010, 13:42

off CD has been weakened a few seasons ago (or better: the normal CD was strengthened), so I guess an CD is seldom worth it (depends on your opponent).

Def forward has been kind of strengthened, or kind of weakened, depending on whether you are looking on technicals.

Now look at the midfield strength: I guess ( I don't know), that the pure midfield is stronger with 3 inner mids compared to 2 IM + 1 defFor. But the defFor surly contributes more to the attack.

Or short: 4-4-2 has been strengthened comparing it to x-5-x lineups. If they did it right, then both are an option and it depends on your squad which one is stronger.

And another short: I think, one should always field all 4 wing positions (2 WB, 2 wingers)

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socralynnek Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USS Defiant Posts: 3,827	I don't know how big the changes will be really, but with the past changes, I had the feeling, that you could just play on like before and slowly adapt to the changes. And I have the feeling that these changes won't differ. OK, those who adapt faster will have a slight advantage, but it's not like the others are totally out of the way. There are no engine changes, so the concept still is: midfield will still be most important part. As a midfield trainer, I don't know what will be best for my team. I was not training perfectly effective in the oast few seasons anyway, so I might play 4-4-2 more often next season, thus losing one spot. But that was the question for defending trainers or scoring trainers as well always. But I see it more poswitive. My strategy is now challenged, but that isfor a lot of teams. Let's see whether I can get along with the changes better than other teams. __________________ Being without a signature since November 2004.

14-03-2010, 04:37	#6
yndy Prince Join Date: May 2003 Location: Romania. Posts: 895	Changes will be big to my understanding and midfield will be hit (not necessarily midfielders). Anyway transfer market reacts with a lag so no rush to sell players. Multiskill players will gain importance (yet again) and I'd consider buying another defender to play 4-4-2. Well, I do have 6 of them, but you may want to do that too. __________________ The one and only

19-04-2010, 13:16	#7
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19-04-2010, 13:34	#8
akots Nebuchadnezzar II Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Glover Park Posts: 4,459	It is impossible to predict at the moment. The details are unknown and have to be tested. I'm relying mostly on foxtrick predictions and they have not updated it yet. The main question is whether possession is tweaked down or role of midfielders in possession is tweaked down? Yes, I know what they say in editorials. But what actually will happen may be quite different. I guess first few matches might get screwed a little bit. __________________ Cujusvis hominis est errare; nullius, nisi insipientis in errore perseverare Ciceron (Marcus Tullius)

01-03-2010, 11:30	#5
Aggie Emperor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: N/A Posts: 4,490	Big changes indeed, but to it looks ok. I like the fact that other formation will be ok-ed as well. For me it comes at a perfect time. As soon as I understand the new concept I will start climbinh the ladder again.

19-04-2010, 13:42	#9
socralynnek Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USS Defiant Posts: 3,827	off CD has been weakened a few seasons ago (or better: the normal CD was strengthened), so I guess an CD is seldom worth it (depends on your opponent). Def forward has been kind of strengthened, or kind of weakened, depending on whether you are looking on technicals. Now look at the midfield strength: I guess ( I don't know), that the pure midfield is stronger with 3 inner mids compared to 2 IM + 1 defFor. But the defFor surly contributes more to the attack. Or short: 4-4-2 has been strengthened comparing it to x-5-x lineups. If they did it right, then both are an option and it depends on your squad which one is stronger. And another short: I think, one should always field all 4 wing positions (2 WB, 2 wingers) __________________ Being without a signature since November 2004.