Stamina versus form

[arne1]

I have some data to share about stamina training, the off-season and how those tow factors influence form.
I'll try to put it in some sort of table here:
week(nr)15.0 16.0 01.0 02.0 03.0 04.0 05.0 06.0
Stam (p)5.55 5.36 5.00 XX.X xx.x 5.18 5.55 5.82 (11)
Sta (np)5.30 5.50 5.40 XX.X xx.x 5.30 5.80 6.10 (11)
SPie (p) 6.00 6.13 6.13 6.00 5.63 5.75 6.00 5.75 (8)
SP (p16)6.00 6.00 5.67 5.00 4.33 4.67 5.33 5.67 (3)
SPi (p1) 5.33 5.67 5.67 4.33 4.67 5.33 5.67 6.33 (3)
SPi (np) 6.13 6.38 6.25 5.50 4.63 4.38 5.00 5.13 (8)
Stam (p)6.09 6.27 6.00 5.82 6.18 6.09 5.73 5.80 (11*)
Sta (np)5.55 5.64 5.55 5.36 5.36 4.91 5.50 5.60 (11**)

(p)= played both matches in off-season
(np) = did not play in off season
(p16) = played the match of week 16
(p1) = played the match of week 1
Sta =Stam = Stamina training in off season
SP=SPi=SPie= Set Pieces training in off season
xx.x = no data available (due to holliday)
all values are average from from.
at the end the amount of palyers on which the average is based is mentioned.
* one player sold so week 6 is average of only 10.
** one player sold so week 5 and 6 is an average of only 10.

I think I can safely that stamina training does not hurt your form badly. Of course this is not much data, but if the effect was sever it should have showed up.
It seems that the effect of not playing in the off season is most visible in week 4. I will update this after the next off season if anybody is interested.

[yndy]

This is interesting. I hope I get it right so I'll try to draw some conclusions.

* Average form is passable if a players play all matches and no stamina is trained.
* Training stamina in the offseason decreases the form of the players by up to 0.5 - 1 level for up to 4 weeks.
* Not playing a player in the off-season decreases the form of the player by 0.5 levels in week 2, 1 level week 3, 1.5 levels in week 4 then it starts to recover, 1 level in week 5, 0.5 levels in week 6.

We know that stamina changes only visible form and not background form, so we see that form drops for 3-4 weeks then it recovers. We know playing/non playing someone changes his background form, so we see this change impacts the visible form for 5 weeks and has worst effects than stamina.

It appears to me that a change in background form results in a change in visible form over a 3 weeks interval.

Nice to know. Le'me know if I am missing something.

[socralynnek]

Background form is updated after the visible form is updated at training time. So a drop down there can already be visible in the week afterwards.

Another question: Is background form random or not? I do think so, so therefore I think, that it is not only taken into account whether a player ahs played in that week, but also whether he played every week in the last weeks which leads to even later impacts than otherwise but would fit to the observation that form is worse at day 3 and 4.

[Tubby Rower]

background form is slightly random. My main GK has played every week for the past 14 I believe and I've had 9 GK coaches during most of that time. Before last week's training update, he was @ poor form. I haven't a clue why other than that blasted RNG. luckily it jumped up to inadequate and now I'm looking good to sell him week 3 or so and make a nice profit.

[Robboo]

I thought background form didnt change.

Tubby your GK...Did he get injured in a game or bruised. Was it a tough game with alot of action for him? Just wondering if actual game events also had an impact.

One thing I noticed...is two of my guys gained and experince level...both suffered a form drop on the same update. Out of 16 players( more now) on that update.. 8 form up 2 down.

[Tubby Rower]

from the HT X-Files

quote:[u]Form</u> version 2006-06-26

how a formchange works
every player has a hidden background-form which is leading the visible form up or down.

the form update at training:
each player will weekly-step-wise move towards the background-form. the bigger the difference between background-form and current form the bigger those steps.
after that each player has a 1:3 chance for a background-form change which then would -apart from a random factor- be influenced by the following factors:

controllable background-form influences
- most important is if a player has played a match that week (no advantage if he plays 2 times a week)
- a team with high training intensity will generally gain better form
- a good coach plus assistant coaches result in better form (goalkeeping coaches for keepers)

training 'Stamina'
training Stamina will drag the current form of your players down but doesn't influence the background form.

training 'General'
training general wont help raising your form sustainingly!
it could help the players that played a match in that week keeping their form or even raise it but wont change their background-form. Therefore only use this before a very important game.

how important is the form of a player?
if you watch the » star-rating of a player relative to his abilities and form you will quickly learn about the importance of form.
For example a solid defender with poor form will perform worse than a passable defender with solid form.

And no he hasn't been injured to my recollection.

[arne1]

you have to keep in mind that in the three off seasons I played I had differnet quality coaches and different amounts of assistants, which also impacts form. From the first off season not much can be said since I miss data from teh most relevant weeks (2 and 3).
I also think it is not sufficient data to conclude anything as precies as 0.5 form drop. But I will have a lot more data in a few weeks.