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Shabbaman 14-01-2008 22:36

The value of the dollar
 
I just saw a documentary on a possible scenario of the (further) devaluation of the US dollar. The weird thing is that is was a rerun of two years ago. I had read a lot about this thing, especially after the recent mortgage crisis.

The weird thing is that at the very point that the US government took action (a protectionistic one), the value of the dollar was about 1.50 USD for a euro. At the moment the value of the euro is 1.49 USD (*click*). If you compare the decline of the USD with the rise of the US national debt (9 trillion dollars, which sounds like a lot but is "only" 60% of the GNP. Comparatively with 39,4% for the Netherlands it isn't that much. Or at least it sounds like less than 9 trillion.) it seems frightening. It doesn't seem like an issue in the current elections though. I know our national debt is a pretty big issue here, so why isn't it in the states?

Robboo 14-01-2008 23:38

Its not an issue because its not what the press or the politicians want to be an issue..

I will probably take heat for this from the other Americans on here.....But America is a nation of sheep. They eat what they are told to eat on TV, ask the doctor for the drugs advertised on TV and are more interested in American Idol than the election. Start talking national debt and most common Americans will say "print more money" as a solution. I am sure someone will tell me if I dont like it to move, but despite its shortcomings I woudln't want to live any where else. And in general..Louisianan isn't the rest of the country.

Darkness 15-01-2008 00:00

Cheap dollar = great for tourism in the US.

Though in september 1 euro was still about 1,36 USD... :(
Should've gone this summer...

Shabbaman 15-01-2008 00:08

We live in a world of sheep, no doubt about it.

Robboo 15-01-2008 00:13

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quote:Originally posted by Darkness

Cheap dollar = great for tourism in the US.

Though in september 1 euro was still about 1,36 USD... :(
Should've gone this summer...
Yeah only problem is it wont really help stimulate our economy. It will help the illegals that work in hotels and drive cabs...

Not a sheep..I am a wolf in sheep's clothing. [karate]

romeothemonk 15-01-2008 02:49

If you look at the dollars tracking vs the passage of the patriot act and other money checking devices, you may have noticed a strong correlation that the more scrutiny that is placed on high dollar liquid mobile accounts, the lower the value of the dollar. They seem to want to move to countries that are less "stringent" on owning, trading in and banking large denominations with few questions.

Just a thought.

sz_matyas 15-01-2008 05:04

The one that caught my attention was the devaluation of the dollar when European nations offered one time, unlimited, relatively no questions asked transfer of currency to the Euro.

There are advantages to both weak and strong currency, a lot of asian countries fight hard to keep their currency weak, while the US used to fight hard to keep the dollar strong. If other things change in cost accordingly there isn't a big problem with the dollar losing relative value (production tends to shift from strong currency countries to weak currency ones, so it may even generate jobs).

Regarding the national debt, it is largely the political elephant in the room. To pay down the debt you have to cut programs and it's hard to buy votes by promising to cut support from your constituents. The other way to pay down the debt is to raise taxes, but in a potential recession, that is a great way to kill what is left of the economy and Bush's tax cuts actually increased revenue over projections from before the cut, so it isn't even guaranteed to help. I'll agree that the reason it isn't an issue is the press and politicians don't want it to be an issue though and part of the reason I'm not in favor of any of the democrat candidates, all of whom promise more programs without giving solid funding ideas.

Shabbaman 15-01-2008 08:22

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quote:Originally posted by sz_matyas

I'll agree that the reason it isn't an issue is the press and politicians don't want it to be an issue though and part of the reason I'm not in favor of any of the democrat candidates, all of whom promise more programs without giving solid funding ideas.
They'll probably raise the deficit, or cut some military program. I found a pretty nice graph about US government spendings btw. Looks like there are a lot of areas of improvement.

Still, it's a one way street. The deficit gets higher and higher, and at a certain point you're only paying interest. I'm amazed that there's no long term planning in US politics (apparently).

socralynnek 15-01-2008 08:56

I guess, the low value of the dollar is not as big a problem as for countries like Germany.

In Germany, wages were growing less than the prices of goods has risen, therefore Germany is currently living from exporting. The stronger the Euro gets, the less profit German firms make outside the EU (but most of our exports go to the EU anyway)

But I guess there would be a point when countries like China or Russia switch their savings from US-Dollar to Euro, which means the USA probably should take care of their currency, otherwise they might be losing economical power.

Concerning deficit: Other countries are doing even worse than the US. OTOH in bad times one should spend to help the economy, but I thought that the worst after 9 11 was over, so they should start saving some now again...

Matrix 15-01-2008 12:27

I saw the documentary too. It's a nice scenario for a movie. :)


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