Interested in a civ league?
 

I thought to spice things up a bit around here we could have a league competition for civ.

I've done some groundwork looking at a format that would make the games quick so it doesn't take to long so participation doesn't drop off.

After a bunch of test games against the AI and mauer i've got a format thats makes games fairly even but with some randomness. The set up is;

120 turns
Advanced start in the Anicent age, Quick speed
Duel size map, balanced resources, Pangea, temperate, normal sea level
Always war, hence no tech trades, no barbs, no random events, no huts, no espionage

Unrestricted leaders so you can mix and match leaders and civs (ie Saladin of the Aztecs). The catch is once you choose your combo you play it for every match.

2 victory conditions, time and conquest.

The points system
Win by conquest 6 pts
Win by time 4 pts (highest score on 120)
Time draw 3 pts (scores level on turn 120)
Loss by time 2 pts
Loss by conquest 0 pts


If 2 or more people are level on points they will be seperated by their head to head records, if still level then the highest difference in scores (total your scores - total of opponent scores).

The game take about 2hrs maximum so games could be played via direct IP, otherwise pbem. Mauer and myself took two months to play ours via pbem.


Any questions, expressions of interest, comments or otherwise post below:)

I'll do it.

I was able to start a game with BC,

We could use those settings.

Sounds nice. I am interested!

I could be interested. I haven't played civ in a year, so I would be a touch rusty, but I would sure try hard.

I'm not interested myself, but I encourage the idea. If/when we have a proper front page I'd say it could get a prominent place.

Sure, i told barbu and mauer i'd have a game with them after my exams so i'm happy to do it also :)

Sounds like a sweet plan! http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/goodjob.gif I'm in!

Can that game be used as the first :D

Sounds like an idea!

No:mad:

Although i didn't mention it, the idea is everyone plays everyone once.
Also i forgot to add espionage is off.

I was thinking of getting this started in sometime in June and have a deadline to finish all match up by the end of the year.

I would strongly suggest for those not familar with advanced starts to have a few practise games. You can do that by doing a direct IP game (so you can set the turn limit to 120) and then choose the AI as your opponent. Also it would give you a chance to experiment with leader-civ combos

Finally to keep it fair we should have someone not playing (maybe shabba would be nice enough to help :)) to PM our choice of leader and civ. That way people can't make their choice based on what people before them have since you keep the same combo for every game

I'm about as rusty as Romeo, but I'll try this out.

me very rusty but in for sure.

if you need another I am in . If you need a judge or record keeper i can help.

Sorry guys i've had some problems with my internet the last week or so but its sorted out now.

Anyway should get things rolling before it stalls.
So far expressions of interest have come from;

Robi
mauer
barbu
socralynnek
romeothemonk
BCLG
Matrix
grahamiam
ProPain
Robboo
Lt. Killer M

@Robboo its a league format so there is no limit on how many players, but if you would rather be a judge/record keeper thats fine too.

To all the above expressing interest or those yet to do so, i'd suggest use the coming weekend to practise with the setting and make a decision on your choice of leader and nation.

Then from Monday i'll find someone not playing who we can PM our choices too and get the matches started by the following weekend (june 6).

The deadline for finishing games will be the end of the year so there is plenty of time to arrange and play matches with everyone even if you have holidays and other stuff:).

1st place will win a free can of SPAM (plus postage and handling:p)

Sounds great.

I'm home alone on the 6th, so I can start a match right away and would love to do so. VOlunteers please report :)

As for prizes: I'm throwing in a 'CDZ, our spam is backed with nuclear weapons' coffee mug :)

WHAT!!!

I demand that coffee mug!!!1!!oneoneoneoneoneoneone!

If you could fix a front page quickly (something easy, dunno, with a picture of a coffee mug) we could grab some attention with this. I'm home this weekend, I could even help with it. Not that I'd be of much use though.

I'd love to take part, but I am afraid I can't really judge whether I will have the time.

How would you suggest abandoned matches should be scored?

I'll try to give it a shot this weekend. I'd prefer to try and install VBadvanced as I've done that before. Will be friday night the ways things look now.

If you're online for moral support than that will earn you a mug. Special Mod Edition :D

I'd say abandoned matches, if say have been played past a specific amount of turns- say 50 should be scored say 4 points (same as time victory) if over 10 turns but below 49 turns should be 3 points for the person who didn't abandon it (same as a draw).

However all that is dependent on what is going on, i do feel we should be able to concede whenever so we've got to note the difference between abandon and concede.

I don't mind posting my decision in the thread tbh, it's not like the traits are a secret :)

sounds good. I would not want to imbalance the scoring if family or work keep me from finishing games.

I'm should hopefully be free on the 6th too, maybe we can get the ball rolling.

I hadn't given much thought to that to be honest but BCLG suggestion sounds resonable that you get a percentage of the total points depending on how much of the game is played. Also the deadline can be a little flexiable if needed but i wouldn't want it too drag on too much because people lose interest then.

Don't forget you have the option to play it by pbem if you can't organise a time to do a direct ip game.

While i'm on the topic of direct ip games, its up to the players involved whether they play turn based or simultaneous. If you play simultaneous the DM's are legal. It's easy to guard against them and making any rules just throws up a large grey area.

Conceeding in my mind gives up a conquest victory to your opponent with full points.

I'm happy to post choices in the open, i trust you guys. Just thought i'd find a third party if people might think there was an advantage to be gained. However with the large amount of participants it would be impossible to match up against everyone. So feel free to post here if you wish or you can PM me as mauer has done. I made my choice long ago:)

I agree.

Anyways, my PC is back up and running and fully loaded with BTS. I'm up for any challengers. I'd like to limit to 2 of these at a time, and prefer PBEM since I'm in a difficult time zone to match up with most of you guys for a session.

Thinking about it a bit, we could have an option were if your unable to finish games you can have the AI take over.

As for partially completed games going on what BCLG suggested;
For games 1 to 40 turns 1/3 pts
41-80 turns = 2/3 pts
81+ = full points

Also with splitting people on the same points, i've changed it to be head to head record first, then the score difference since someone getting a win conceeded to them might miss out on a higher score.

Tell me if any of that sounds ok.

Sounds good to me.

About the 6th: I'm having time in the evening but as we're facing a 9/10 hour time difference that would mean early sunday morning for you (7th). I can imagine that isn't really a good time for you, but I'll leave that up tp you :). Otherwise for me early morning (my time) might be an option. Kids are usually up at hideous hours. So I can prolly fire up around 6 my time, being 5pm at your end. Early morning will be more slow paced though cause the kids need bread/milk/attention :)

I am out of town teh first weekend in June. Just a heads up to my future opponent. Unfortunately in addition I will be limited to PBEM so if thats an issue Robi make me a judge.

Well Shabba, it's done and I haven't seen you. Guess that's a forfeit on the mug then :p

Sounds like fun but I stink so I'd rather watch, heckle and book lines.

Its a 7.5hrs difference. Getting up sunday morning around 7am isn't a problem for me that weekend, depends how willing and able you are to stay up that night


As long as you can play your turns its fine. When mauer and myself did a trial game it took us 2 months, that was playing 1 to 2 turns a day. Does mean you need to be play a few at a time. If you think you can do that over the next 6/7 months then its fine. I know most of my games will be by PBEM because of the time difference

Looking for someone ready to kick of the games. I've got time during week evenings this month for sure.

Just post here or PM me

I've got time this weekend, any evening but monday. What would suit you best?

Tuesday after 20:30 would be possible for me

Deal! See you on MSN. :)

I#ll be away for a week, after that I#d love to have two games via mail.

I'll opt in on one of those games Killer.

Got my ass kicked by Matrix, so much for Toku of the Native Americans. [B)]

I thought there was a results thread somewhere too but I can't find it anymore.

I take the other one then!

I am available tomorrow evening (so, to be precise: Monday 22nd of June from about 19 CEST to 23 CEST. Anyone want to play against me then?

back, and very much in need of a holiday. Kids were exhausting all week.

I'll be back at work tomorrow and decide on my civ/leader combo.

OK PP, socralynnek , I am online from now to about 16:00 CEST, otherwise please email/PM. I'll be Boudica of Mali:eek:.