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socralynnek 22-11-2006 10:21

New Youth system! - Join the CDZ Youth league!!!
 
Check out the new editorial by HT-Tjecken in your language...


The best thing is: One can make a league of their own, even international, which means we can have a CDZ-Youth-Squad-League!

What do you think? What do you don't understand? (I read the HT conferences s.t. I know everything...almost...)

Melifluous 22-11-2006 11:47

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quote:Originally posted by socralynnek

What do you don't understand?
That sentence [:p]

[meli]

socralynnek 22-11-2006 11:52

Sorry, I have read grahamiam's thread shortly before I wrote this, do you do don't not understand now? ;)

Melifluous 22-11-2006 12:00

I visit Hattrick now bring Glorious Bonus CDZ for.

[meli]

Robboo 22-11-2006 17:55

Anyone know if I should start investing in my youth squad or just save the money till the new system

socralynnek 22-11-2006 18:03

don't start investing now. that won't bring you anything when you switch to the new system.

Robboo 22-11-2006 18:15

cool...I was going to start this week...sooooo this was good timing for me.

Shabbaman 22-11-2006 18:41

Great. So now my investment in my youth squad is worthless.

Kemal 22-11-2006 19:11

Thankfully, I haven't been investing in the YS for a long time... and depending on the costs of the new YS, I'm not sure I will start it up again in the future either.

akots 22-11-2006 19:37

I've been investing regularly but had not been "blessed" with a single worthy pull this season. [cry]

The new systems looks very obscure, unclear, and vague as usually.

Socrates 22-11-2006 20:02

This new system seems very interesting. :) But that'll mean more time in Hattrick if we go for the full Youth Squad game. I will reach the top level for the YS in early 2007 (I think), and hope I'll be able to start the new system on top thanks to that.

Eagerly waiting to play my youngsters against yours at CDZ. At last I'll be on the same level as you guys there. [:p]

Robboo 22-11-2006 21:51

So I assume you wont have a full team until 11 weeks in since its one player per week...or did I miss something.

arne1 23-11-2006 02:00

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quote:Originally posted by socralynnek

don't start investing now. that won't bring you anything when you switch to the new system.
Did the ht's say anything about that in the announcement? I assume som kind of transitional period msut be realized. At the moment my assumption is that they are still thinking about that.

socralynnek 23-11-2006 02:11

arne: Tjecken said in global that you can choose which of the two versions you want but you can't do both...

robboo: Tjecken said in global that you can choose which of the...ahem no...he said that you can play a game from week1 on, the squad gets filled with bad dummies (boys from the neighbourhood)

shabba: you could choose to stay with the old system for a while, in the first season or so you might sell almost every pull cause the new system takes time til it creaes players...but we are civ-players...we want micromanaging...

Socrates 23-11-2006 13:16

Exactly, we're all micromanagers ! And I'm also a builder, so that means I wanna build my youth squad instead of buying players from other teams (capturing cities).

I'm quite happy, because building a youth squad really is one thing I wanted to do when I signed up.

Dell19 23-11-2006 17:57

Currently I think I will stay with the old system for at least the first four weeks of the season. Sounds like a nice new feature.

Tubby Rower 01-03-2007 17:25

For those of you thinking of starting on the new youth squad next season here is an article that I found that kind of summarizes what HT has been saying. Also of note is that you can have both systems running in parallel.
http://www.toron.be/bn/node/141
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quote:The new youth system: a summary
Submitted by JerkMaster on Sat, 2007-02-24 09:42. Global

Dutch version

As there are still many questions to be answered about the new youth squad system, Beltrick Nieuwsblad decided to search for the answers. We’ve gathered all the facts based on HT statements. Before you start reading this article, we advise you to read the editorial on Hattrick, so that you have the basic info about the youth squad.

The youth team
You will have the possibility to let your youth team play in a youth division, together with your friends. You can create these divisions yourself, and the amount of teams playing in a division will vary between 4 and 16. The largest divisions can only be created by ‘Hattrick Supporters’, but all users can join them. Divisions can be made private, so only teams that are invited can join. You can also choose the exact moment when league matches will be played, up to 5 minutes accuracy. But you will only be able to play one match every week: either a league match or a friendly.
Only after 11 weeks (i.e. 11 scout reports) your youth team will be completely filled with your own youth players. Until then your youth team will be filled up with ‘the neighbour’s kids’, these are players without considerable capacities.
Every week you will have the possibility either to let your scouts search for a talent for your youth team (new system), or to promote a player from your youth squad (old system) to your A team. Apart from that, you will be able to promote a player from your youth team (new system) to your A team, at least if he has been there long enough. Both systems can be managed parallel, but only one youth pull per week is possible. Which system you choose can differ from week to week, and will be determined by pulling a player in one of the systems. This also means that you’re not obliged to use one of the systems. The parallel system might disappear in the future.
The youth players will not receive any wages, but the youth matches won’t give any profit too.
The youth team will be mostly independent from the A team: matters as team spirit and flag collections will be independent, at least if they are implemented, which is not a certitude.

The players
Only after a certain time you will have the chance to promote youth players to your A squad, because therefore they must reach a minimum age. This age will at least be 17, and probably higher.
Probably it’s best to wait until the player is fully-grown, then it’s possible that he’s even older than that. But such a player has advantages: he can be trained on more than one skill and he will be better than the average youth pull from the current youth squad. On the other hand, you won’t get such a player every week. On the long term, this means that there will be less youth players, but their average level will be better.
Players in the youth team also have a cap for their qualities in a certain skill: at a certain moment the player won’t improve anymore, because he has learned everything there is to learn about that skill. Because you can’t see the skill of a youth player, you will have to watch his performances to determine whether you should stop training him on a skill or not.
It’s impossible to sell or buy players who are in the youth team. Also, the transfers between your youth squad and the A squad is one way traffic, i.e. you can’t place any players from your A team in your youth team.
The training type for your youth players is independent from the training type for your A squad. On the other hand, the performances of your A team will influence the motivation of your youth players on training. Youth players who see their team lose every week, will train slower. This is to prevent people from giving up their A team to fully concentrate on their youth team.
Similar to the older players, youth players will have a chance to get injured or get cards in matches.

The scouts
The scouts will supply you with new players for your youth team. The maximum number of scouts will be 3. When you ask for the scout reports, they will present you their player one by one. For each presented player you will have the choice either to accept him or to send him away hoping that one of the next scouts presents you a better player. Be careful, once you’ve rejected a player, there’s no possibility to take him back.
If you choose to check the scout reports, you can’t do a youth pull in the old system that week, even if you reject all the presented players.
You’re not obliged to have 3 scouts. If you have less than 3 scouts your wage cost for your scouts will be lower, but the chance of finding real talent will also be reduced. The total cost for 3 scouts will be similar to the cost of the current youth squad.
One part I found interesting that effects my current season's activities is this line in the article. It sure bodes for staying in a lower league until you can compete in the higher league.
Quote:

quote:On the other hand, the performances of your A team will influence the motivation of your youth players on training. Youth players who see their team lose every week, will train slower.

Kemal 01-03-2007 17:46

Another reason I guess for me to seriously consider not investing in any of the possible new YS activities, at all.

Thanks for posting this btw Tubby. :)

sz_matyas 01-03-2007 17:46

I wonder if they are going to reward people for promoting in that case. Otherwise, it really hurts new teams given that it is already a fiscal issue to advance if you aren't going to dominate your new league. What will probably happen is you'll have a powerhouse or two sitting at the top of bottom divisions taht could be 2nd or 3rd in an average league one level up if they just promoted.

Example the top guy in my league demoted to div. VI so he could make a solid cup run and not worry about having to win to keep his fans happy. Now that his cup run is over, he is getting 170-180 hatstats a week and destroying everyone in his path.

Shabbaman 01-03-2007 17:53

My guess is that the only intent of this new system is to slow down the economy (keep player prizes up) and to convince people to pay for supporter. I have no idea how this is connected, but I'm sure it's just a conspiracy.

Tubby Rower 01-03-2007 18:24

fist in arse!!!

Shabbaman 01-03-2007 22:22

Something along that line, yes ;)

arne1 01-03-2007 22:33

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quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

Something along that line, yes ;)
Stop shitting about and accept the possibility to kick my ass

Shabbaman 02-03-2007 08:01

Sure. I have a walkover this weekend anyway, looking forward to our match [punch]

yndy 16-03-2007 06:36

Not much until final details are due to be published. I intend to sponsor a 16 teams CDZ-youth division. Will we get enough people investing in the new school to do that?

Or maybe we should start with an 8 teams division?

Kemal 16-03-2007 08:30

I'm not sure, once we get more info I'll make a decision but as it stands I don't think I will invest.

akots 16-03-2007 09:57

@yndy:

I'm interested because the old system is old and it is good to try something new.

Tubby Rower 16-03-2007 11:16

[lol] yndy is trying to get achievement points for starting a youth league

Melifluous 16-03-2007 11:29

Quote:

quote:Originally posted by yndy

Not much until final details are due to be published. I intend to sponsor a 16 teams CDZ-youth division. Will we get enough people investing in the new school to do that?

Or maybe we should start with an 8 teams division?
I will definitely be starting the 'new style' and of course would love to play in a YS league with you guys :)

[meli]

Aggie 16-03-2007 11:32

I most probably will be using the new system. So I'm interested.

Tubby Rower 16-03-2007 11:46

oh I forgot to post that I'd be interested in joining and kicking the snot out of the lot of ya

Robboo 16-03-2007 11:55

I am investing and look forward to some butt kicking

socralynnek 16-03-2007 12:48

although I might play with boys from the neighborhood for the first few weeks, I'd surely join!

sz_matyas 16-03-2007 14:34

I'm going to invest in the new system, so sign me up

Socrates 16-03-2007 18:41

I'm not switching to the new system for a simple reason : I'm stupid and I wanna make a profit from funding 20k each week since the beginning. I have yet to pull a superb player... Maybe next season, and in the meantime, I'll closely follow your new toys.

socralynnek 16-03-2007 19:13

krys, if I understood correctly, you can have both systems next season. You can pull only one player per week, new system and old system combined.

Socrates 16-03-2007 19:49

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quote:Originally posted by socralynnek

krys, if I understood correctly, you can have both systems next season. You can pull only one player per week, new system and old system combined.
Paying twice for just one stuff each week ? No thanks, that's just stupid, or I haven't understood the thing.

socralynnek 17-03-2007 00:09

as far as I have understood, you only pay for the scouts in the new system, not for the team itself, so you could play with dummies and don't pay anything.

arne1 18-03-2007 14:28

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quote:Originally posted by socralynnek

as far as I have understood, you only pay for the scouts in the new system, not for the team itself, so you could play with dummies and don't pay anything.
So I will play and the first few seasons you can all kick my arse since I will be using the old system for about 1 and a halve season. I expect the prices to go up since people are pulling out of the old system massivly and new player will take time to 'make'.

yndy 26-03-2007 12:19

OK, this is for you to decide
Create Youth League

Name: CDZ Youth League
Description: will add something

League type
International

Teams in league
12 Teams - we already are 7 interested, I'm going to leave 5 spaces for others that might want to join. Please decide until Thursday 29.03 and confirm here. Afterwards we'll just allow anyone to get the league started. Also if there's only 1 interested, we'll start with 8.

League access
League is private (I'll do the invitations)

League Schedule
First match day and time is Day of week time of day.
All matches for your league will be played on the same day and time. You may change this either up to [days] days before the first match or in the "Youth league season break"

This is it guys what day of the week do you want? I'd prefer Friday evening, or duringthe weekend. We can also do it in any working day, if you wish, preferably between 16.00 - 21.00 HT time, so that is day or evening in Europe and US.


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