In your above scenario, We wouldn't get horses or iron. Is this a good idea? I do like the Despotism-only idea. It wouldn't be that bad.

That's very true, we would lack horses and iron which would be very bad. Also, if I can get Philosophy 1st, then we deny thier ability to do the slingshot, which would feel very good [evil]

Ok, let's stick to our original plan: IRO full speed for Philo, Persians start on WC, then we re-evaluate (Wheel or IW).

rememember, no emotional decisions ;)

I was talking with mistfit about this game and how excited we were to get it started. I popped the question about Spain. He said it was due to the UU, Conquistador. 6-tile movement since it treats all terrain as roads.

He also mentioned that he thought that Whomp's Japan choice was to see horses immediately. I think that the UU might have been more of the deciding factor. It really doesn't matter

Here is my start
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...bbys_start.jpg
19.65*KB

Minimap
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...by_minimap.gif
1.62*KB

& here is what I've come up with for my initial builds and what tiles to work
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...ubbys_work.gif
38.86*KB

EDIT:: I realized that IND workers take 3 turns to irrigate..fixed the spreadsheet

IND workers take 2 turns to irrigate. Sorry, no time to review. how did you see your start? I did not play yet and I thought I was ahead of you?

I checked in game and it takes Persia 3 turns to irrigate, 2 turns to road, & 4 turns to mine. I believe in C3C, that the IND was changed from 200% efficiency to 150% efficiency. Either way, I have a spreadsheet with irrigating in 2 and another in 3 just in case. Depending on when the cow is irrigated, I'll use the appropriate spreadsheet.

The pic is from CivAssist 2. It'll show you a world map and everything even if the save that is loaded is not technically your turn. I thought that it might be of use to you since you will go first.

Ok, but you get the benefit in 2T, and your worker is frozen on the 3rd.

Note that Japan starts with the Wheel, not Warrior Code.

thanks bedhead. I thought militaristic starts with WC...

anyways, here's my start. I moved the chief 1st, saw the cow, then calculated that I'd grow in 6T if I moved (move + 3fpt from cow + 3fpt from AGR trait), 7T if I stayed put (only +3fpt till turn 10) so I moved. I have sent Pottery and Alpha to you, already accepted. just add your techs and accept.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...es, 4000BC.jpg