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Civ4 Earth map SP challenge

These are the scores I made on 'our' Earth map.
Feel free to post your scores here too if you've played on this map in single player. :) (A screenshot of the final map would be nice.)

Download map: CDZEarth.zip (Revised 27-08-2008)
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    Player        Civilization    Points  Date    Victory   

01. akots         Russia          129702  1685 AD  Domination

02. IanDC         Russia          114563  1675 AD  Domination

03. Nitro         Khmer            69944  1804 AD  Domination

04. IanDC         Vikings          69732  1832 AD  Domination

05. Matrix        Egypt            66677  1816 AD  Domination

06. Nitro         Russia           66331  1822 AD  Domination

07. IanDC         Mali             66227  1806 AD  Diplomatic

08. Darkness      Vikings          61580  1842 AD  Domination

09. Nitro         Zulus            48554  1870 AD  Domination

10. Matrix        Russia           47837  1886 AD  Domination

11. Darkness      Inca             44153  1830 AD  Space Race

12. Nitro         Mali             43634  1903 AD  Domination

13. Matrix        Rome             35730  1888 AD  Space Race

14. Lt. Killer M  China            34515  18xx AD  Domination

15. Matrix        China            32333  1912 AD  Domination

16. IanDC         Mongolia         31856  1880 AD  Space Race

17. Robi D        Rome             31818  1852 AD  Space Race

18. IanDC         Khmer            29271  1910 AD  Space Race

19. Beam          Russia           28238  1928 AD  Space Race

20. Matrix        Inca             27345  1882 AD  Space Race

21. IanDC         Egypt            26971  1565 AD  Cultural

22. ProPain       Mali             26117  1822 AD  Space Race

23. Matrix        Aztecs           24148  1892 AD  Space Race

24. Nitro         Native America   23450  1941 AD  Domination

25. Matrix        Mali             21099  1909 AD  Space Race

26. Matrix        Vikings          18055  1920 AD  Space Race

27. Matrix        India            17651  1925 AD  Space Race

28. Matrix        Zulus            17574  1927 AD  Space Race

29. Lt. Killer M  Rome             16907  1947 AD  Space Race

30. Darkness      Zulus            16464  1884 AD  Space Race

31. IanDC         Zulus            12146  1953 AD  Space Race

32. Matrix        Mongolia         12001  1968 AD  Space Race

33. Matrix        Maya             10073  1950 AD  Space Race

34. Matrix        Khmer             7556  1967 AD  Space Race

35. Matrix        Native America    7303  1964 AD  Cultural

Weighted average score = 28188

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Weighted average scores of players:

01. akots         63728

02. Nitro         46909

03. IanDC         41551

04. Darkness      36731

05. Robi D        23005

06. ProPain       22292

07. Matrix        21462

08. Lt. Killer M  16123

09. Beam          13875

 

Weighted average scores of civilizations:

01. Russia           57368

02. China            49750

03. Vikings          41531

04. Rome             38986

05. Egypt            36094

06. Inca             34625

07. Mali             33024

08. Aztecs           31715

09. Khmer            25665

10. India            23182

11. Mongolia         19515

12. Zulus            17093

13. Maya             13230

14. Native America   12586

noob question: what map is 'our' earth map?

And what level did you play?

the map used in the cdz earth pitboss's i think.

Matrix, what difficulty level and speed are these games?

All noble difficulty and normal speed.

And it's the map on which Rule The World II is played. (With a few very small adjustments, like a missing flood plain or the spice in the sea near Cuba.)

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

All noble difficulty and normal speed.

I've played this map a few times against the AI too, but to me normal speed just feels wrong when you're not playing against humans. Most units are just about obsolete at the time you reach the enemy's borders and techs are just too easy to obtain.

I'm now playing it on noble difficulty with marathon speed as the Inca. Slow progress at the start (with subsequent barbarian troubles), but it's a nice game. The only problem with this map is that the maximum number of turns is hard-coded and must be changed using wordpad or something similar (or at least, that was the only way I found to change it). I found out the hard way when I was playing the Romans on marathon speed and I got that 100 turns remaining warning somewhere in the early AD's. :(

The reason I play on noble and normal speed is first of all because of consistency with our pitboss , but noble also because you can't really lose and it's easier to compare also the weaker civs (while dead is dead), and normal speed also because I want to play with as many civs as possible - I don't know whether I'll make it to play them all before I get fed up with it or Civ5 comes out ;) - and with normal speed is simply goes faster. But I have to agree domination is very hard to obtain.

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but noble also because you can't really lose

LOL, I wish! Which proves I got a lot to learn in this game.

Oops, sorry. [tongue]

Well, I have to admit it was a hard fought victory with Khmer and Native Americans. With the NA it was actually the first time I ever got a cultural victory, because it was the easiest (and probably only) victory to obtain! A space race was out of the question, because the Egyptians were much more advanced than I was. And while I was waiting for the cities to get legendary culture I thought I'd increase my score by trying to get as much land as possible in America. But just before I took the last Maya city the Inca's actually took three cities back! [eek] So I was actually getting my ass kicked there by the AI at noble difficulty.

Noble difficulty, normal speed. Inca

Space race win in 1876 AD for 42677 points

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...enShot0034.JPG
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Quite impressive, Darkness. How come you got such a high score when the result is fairly similar to my Aztec game? It's only eight turns sooner and you didn't even have the entire continent until a few turns before the end.

Anyway, I just finished as China with the best result by far, so far. I actually launched a spaceship, but gained a domination victory before it reached Alpha Centauri. [crazyeye]

This proves that China really is highly advantaged, especially compared to the Khmer, who notably start close to China. [rolleyes] Poor Beam...

More pop? more wonders. I'd imagine more pop but cant say for certain unless i looked at a save.

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quote:Originally posted by BCLG100

More pop? more wonders.

I think so too.

Another factor (just noticed this): What was the maximum number of turns in your games? I've manually changed it a couple of times to enable marathon speed games, so for the normal speed game I changed it back again, but I didn't know for sure what number it should be, so I set it at 500. Maybe in your games this number was lower?

Max turns should be 460. That might matter. (Score decay is higher for my games.)
<s>Must be more people & wonders then.</s>

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

Max turns should be 460. That might matter. (Score decay is higher for my games.)

Yes, that would definately skew the comparison...

OK, I reset to 460 turns maximum.

Noble level, normal speed. Vikings
Domination win in 1842 AD, for 61580 points

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...enShot0041.JPG
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Congratulations. [cry]

Noble/normal - Egypt Cultural 1565 - 26971 pts

http://www.civduelzone.com/forum/upl...5643_26971.JPG
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Zulu's. Spaceship win in 1884 AD, 16464 points

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...enShot0045.JPG
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Hm, that's worse than I'd expect from you. You had a lot of trouble in that game?

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

Hm, that's worse than I'd expect from you. You had a lot of trouble in that game?

No, I just chose to play peacefull. I never tried any offensive war, just one small defensive struggle. I wasn't in the mood for fighting so all I did was build infrastructure and research. No matter what version, in civilization big population means big scores, and you only get that if you conquer land. But still, the launch date is actually pretty good.

I've got a nice game with the Inca's going now. Eliminated the Maya before 2000 BC. :)

Not sure what it is, I just can't get into the Earth map. I played several months back, but got bored with it and used World Builder to help me to a cultural victory in the BC era.

How about we do a GOTY here at CDZ. We're all pretty undisciplined so a GOTM would end up turning into a yearlong thing anyways.

Guys, I'm trying a game and I'm wondering if you are you playing with tech traiding on or off?

(Matrix could you post the scenario game you are playing on the first post of the page)

I've added the map to the first post. I'm playing with tech trading off, basically the same game as we're playing now, but then with AI instead of you guys and with a few map bugs fixed.

OK, how about this one:

Inca, spaceship win in 1830 AD, for 44153 points. :)

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...enShot0051.JPG
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Pretty impressive! I'm actually playing as the Incas as we type. ;)

The least you could do is put Darkness' Inca score to shame.

No such luck, if luck has anything to do with it. :( I did it with 27345 points and 1882 AD.

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

No such luck, if luck has anything to do with it. :( I did it with 27345 points and 1882 AD.

Still a nice result.

How did you play this? Did you quetcha rush the Maya? Did you get one of the two early religions?

How I played the Inca game:
- Move settler one tile E, and found Cuzco. Second city will be found on the pacific coast, just S of the corn source that is near the dyes.
- Immediately quetcha rush the Maya. Raze second Maya city, then lay siege to the Maya capital. When you have enough quetcha you can capture it.
-Get Meditation (buddhism) first and build a temple for assigning a priest. Get great person points to get a prophet and build the shrine.
-Establish chokepoint with Aztecs in Panama and do NOT sign open borders until all of South America has been settled.
- And then just grow. As fast as possible, while keeping science as high as possible.
- Build lots of workers and get guilds ASAP to have enough health to grow and get calander ASAP to have enough happyness to grow.

Problems using this strategy:
- Lots of barbarians will appear in South America, so you need one city that builds military non-stop to fend them off. I recommend Mutal (Maya capital) for that.
- Sooner or later the Aztec will attack, so you must garison the choke point very well.

And then, when you're ready, you can conquer the Aztecs (and the Native Americans) to increase your lands, but you must make sure that your science rate stays high.

I played almost exactly the same way! Destroyed Pacal's second city very early and besieged Mutal, but I didn't destroy it as early as 2000 BC. I actually overdid it a bit, so I had a few units left with which I destroyed two Aztec cities and built a city of my own in Panama.

I did build Cuzco where the game starts. But I had a huge tech leap from the start that...only went worse. [tongue] The Aztec attempt to attack me was pathetic.

Perhaps my expansion went slower than yours. I didn't conquer North America until I had occupied all of South America. By then I had infantry.

I conquered Mutal around 2500 BC, IIRC, maybe slightly earlier.

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quote:Originally posted by Matrix

Perhaps my expansion went slower than yours.

Quite possible. The late part of my expansion phase and the early part of my war against the Aztecs were considerably boosted by a 48-turn Golden Age (Mausoleum, Taj Mahal and a half dozen great people). During that period I also completed a liberalism-democracy slingslot, which enabled incredibly fast cottage growth in the newly cleared Amazon region

is there anyway for this map to be altered to be slightly smaller? playing a huge map this long would kill my comp. it struggles with standard late game!

If you weren't taxed so high then you could afford a new computer [:P]

But he couldn't afford medical care O.o

i'm not taxed being a student and get free medical care being in the UK so looks like im winning.

Mongols - Space Race - 1880 AD - 31856 pts (edited)

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...ongol 1880.JPG
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But he couldn't afford medical care O.o

Government doesn't pay for my families medical care, including grandma that lives with us, and I can afford it.

I thought it would be nice to add a little competition element in this thing. :) I calculated sort of normalized scores for Darkness and me and for the civilizations. You can see the results in the first post. I couldn't put IanDC in it yet, because he only played as Egypt and no one else did so far.

The way I calculated Darkness' and my scores is by calculating the 'geometric mean' of the score ratios of the civs we both played. Then I normalize then (so that the product of both is 1, but proportion between them stays the same) and multiply it with the global average score.

s = final score of a game
k = number of mutual games
A = player A
B = player B
mu = average score of all games
S = ranking score

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...2258_ratio.gif

I'm currently playing a game as Egypt, so that IanDC can be linked and given a place. ;)

Matrix, let me be the first to say, definatly not in life, but in this thread. You have far too much time on your hands.

Well, no. First of all these are the type of things I do for fun, but secondly I'm very easy going with formula's and ranking stuff. This is exactly how I started the whole GOTM thing at CFC...

So are you gonna play a game too, BCLG100? ;)