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I can probably play one more set of turns on friday/saturday, just to top of the addiction before I go cold turkey for a month.
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O.K. Propain,you take the next turn,after Beam,gives you a bit more time.
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Thinks look pretty OK. A healthy army and Swordies at our NW borders. Only changed Akshak form Rax to Worker, it only has one shield and quite some food. IT: [sleep] 590BC (1): Archer sees Celts in the S. [aargh] Let them make contact. See some more of the terrain, only worthwile direction for expansion is SW. Hopefully we can get a coast to coast soon. It also means a LOT of jungle clearing ahead. IT: No Celtic contact, isn't this stretching the rules? ;) 570BC (2): Zabalam founded in the NW. IT: Still no Celtic contact, will do so next turn. Two Camel archers attack a Reg Swordie. We have a Vet Swordie now. :) 550BC (3): Some SW exploration reveals another French border. Contact Brennus "without Iron", dictator of the Celts and declare war. He is way behind in techs. IT: Research Mon > Constr. and go into anarchy. Lucky shot, 3 turns! 530BC (4): Anarchy 510BC (5): Supposed French borders are Spanish. I am doing a piss poor job scouting around our borders. :( 490BC (6): Anarchy IT: Can't stand Isabella's charms and exchange Constr. + 15 gold for Mon. on her request. The Sirens almost got me. 490BC (7): Back in Monarchy, we are at war with 6 AI now. Currency in 9 at -19. 470BC (8): Not a lot. 450BC (9): Celt units show up, Swordies on the move. IT: A Swordie on a hill survives 2 Celt Archers and a Warrior and promotes to Elite. :) 430BC (10): Just build 2 settlers and there hardly is a favourable spot for 'm. All other settler builds are changed to libs / swordies. 410BC (11): Some cities grow and MM'ing brings Curr 1 turn closer. That's it for me pals, Civ junkie PP is next and he will bring us in the MA! I also feel we need to discuss Strat a little knowing the Civs around us. I am tempted to take the Celts out because they seem to be on the best land around us and we don't wanna let'm have Iron! Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] aaw410bc.sav 118.18KB |
Very nice,Beam,safely into monarchy and almost ready to go on the offensive.
I suggest building a slew of Inkies,they only cost 10 shields,to free up our swords. Objective #1..Elephantine to deny the Gyppos iron. #2....drive south,take the furs and if possible expand south. Build F.P. in Lagash or Kish,I think it makes no never no mind where it is built in conquests. Build some temples. Play as many turns as you wish,P.P. and then bugger off to darkest South America.[lol] I'd also build some cats but that seems to be too defensive for our agressive Generals. Byz and France have no iron,as yet and Beam says that Ragnar is also lacking iron. |
Sa wa di crab!
Hey Guys, Here a message from me! I'm now in Chaing Mai, Thailand and it is awesome here! Just got a "relaxing" massage by an really good looking Thai girl! How is the game going? doing alright without me? Nice picture Tarly! Time for me to go back doing the normal things you do on a vacation like this ;) Banzai! |
Banzai,you little devil,nice to hear from you.
I hope your not doing too much legovering.[lol].We're doing OK without you so you can stay in Thailand for another month.Take some pics,the ruder the better.[party] |
I wish I could stay for another month, but my boss won't be happy!
I'm now in Mayhong Son, northwest of Thailand at the border with Birma. It is about 35 degrees with a nice burning sun! Sweat is dripping from almost every part of my body, but it is worth it. I'm going to jump in the swimming pool soon. I've just visited the long neck tribe where the women wear a collar or something like that to strech the neck. I'll post a picture when I get back to Holland. Tomorrow I fly back to Chiang Mai for another 2 hour massage :D. I'll try to make a nice picture for you Tarly :) Next I take the train back to Bangkok and travel futher south to spend 2 days at the beach. After that I fly back to Holland. The last two weeks were very exciting and I've seen lots of things, like small temples, medium temples, medium-large temples, large temples... All of them have nice buddha statues. Some of them are made of pure gold and are 10 meters high! I'll post some pictures next week! See you later!! Banzai! |
Sounds like a good time is being had by all,Banzai.
Propain didn't play his turn and is now away for a month,Banzai returns on the 10th june,I think.Matrix is busy until July. I'll try to play before Banzai returns. What do you think,Beam? |
I played 20 turns to get the game moving.
As there is so much action,I've condensed the turns to 7.7.6.Early.Middle.Late. Basically I don't think that I did very well.It will need a great general to pull us out of the clag.I think that we have the troops to attack the AI,now. Early.turns 1 to 7. I tried to get a sod together to attack south,the Celts,but the AI started to come at me from all points of the compass. I built trebuchets and finally walled our most vulnerable cities. Hardly any infrastructure was built,I may have been over cautious. Stats:- Total losses 2 swords. AI losses 6 archers 1 spear 3 warriors 1 horse 1 sword. 12 to 2. trebuchet hits,1 misses 0. Turns 8 to 14. Our losses 5 swords + 1 archer. I lost 3 swords on the trot trying to defeat 1 num merc. AI losses: 4 archers 9 warriors 2 swords 1 num merc 1 horse 1 spear. treb hits 8 misses 0. total losses 6 to 18. very dodgy[help] Turns 15 to 20. Our losses:- 2 swords. AI losses:- 10 archers 4 spear 3 Gallic swords 1 warrior 1 sword 1 horse 1 num merc. trebuchet:- hits 21 misses 6. Total:- 21 to 2. Sum total of all 20 turns:- our losses 9 swords 1 archer AI losses:- 20 archers 5 spears 13 warriors 3 horses 4 swords 2 num mercs 3 gallic swords A ratio of 50 to 10,or 5 to 1. This is not good enough for always war. Our units are:- 2 settlers in Isin 17 workers 6 archers 19 swords 1 pike 1 M.I. 20 enkidu warriors 14 trebuchets There are only a few troops coming in weat of Bad and Erech. Our problem is not having only 1 front to defend.The AI are coming from all points of the compass.It all looks very dodgy to me. If we attack the egyptian city due north it is on a hill,likewise due south the Celtic city.To take either of these 2 cities you will need half a dozen trebuchets. We have 10 turns of our Golden Age left. Oh woe is me.[ponder] |
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Sumeria,10 A.D.
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As you say, the main issue is fighting on 2 (or more) fronts. Imo reducing / defeating the Celts will solve a lot because the front will be mainly W to N then. With their Gaelics they are also the fiercest of opponents atm.
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Banzai returns on the 10th,I believe.You take it,General (Boney) Beam.See what you can do with all those units but remember to take half a dozen trebuchets with you to overcome those hill cities.
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Let's prepare a nice hand over to Shogun Banzai then Marshall Tarleton! I will play the coming days and plan to complete by Fri. I also think we need one or two gallies to explore more of the continent, we've met all but one Civ so no worries there. And be sure I'll try the statistics of Trebuchets on the Celts before trying them on mice. ;)
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Shogun Banzai is celebrating his birthday in Hua Hin now (if spelled correctly) with a large bottle of Bacardi rum and will enjoy the sun and the beach for 2 more days.
I will arrive on Schiphol airport after an eleven hour flight on 12 June 2004 at aprox 10am with a 4 hour jetlag! If anyone comes to pick me up.. I'm the one who looks quite pale for a 3 week holiday to Thailand *burp* C ya! Banzai! |
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Banzai is back in town! When can I play?? :D
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Oops, sorry I forgot to play. [blush] Banzai, feel free to play, I'll take over from you.
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Ok! Will play tonight.
It is Germany - Holland tonight... I'll see how far I can get! Banzai! |
0: 10 AD
Whoa! We are at war with everybody! Lets go kick some ass.. Why are only 2 cities building units? Because we need the libraries and temples guess. They will all complete in just a few turns, so I let it go. Change Bad-tibira from market to courthouse. IT. Egypt sends a med inf and archer towards us. Spain moves a warrior and 2 archers to our borders. A Dromon arrives at the shore. A Gallic sword moves into attack range. 1: 30 AD Lagash builds a library and starts a temple. Kish builds Pike and starts a med inf Veteran sword attacks regular Gallic sword. The Celtic coward retreats. IT. Another Gallic sword appears and attacks, but dies attacking our veteran sword (-2) :D Spain moves 3 arches and 1 warrior into our territory. 2 more Spannish arches appear. A Numidian Mercenary arrives. Egypt invades with the med inf and archer. The Byzantines beg for peace... only in your dreams! The Iroquois founded Oka south of Erech. Iroquois? yikes! We have not met yet! Total kills: 1 Total losses: 0 2: 50 AD Bombard the Egyptian units.. score! 3 out of 3. Vet sword - Reg Egypt archer (2) wins, promotes. Elite archer - Reg Egypt med inf (1) wins. Elite sword - Reg Spain archer wins (-1) Bombard the Spanish stack.. score! 2 out of 2. Vet med inf - reg Spain archer wins (-1), promotes to elite. Vet sword - reg Spain warrior (2) wins (-1), promotes to elite. Vet sword - reg Spain archer (2) wins. Total kills: 7 Total losses: 0 IT. A Numidian mercenary attacks an Ekidu, but loses (-2). Agade riots.. oops. Temples and libraries finish. The cities start on units. Another NuMerc appears. Egypt sends a lone spear, while Spain sends a stack of 2 warriors and 1 archers. The Celts send 4 Gallics our way! yikes! The Byzantines land an archer near Isin. 3: 70 AD Elite sword - reg Byzantine arches wins. Bombarding the Gallic swords... score! 2 out of 4. Elite sword - reg Gallic sword (2).. the Celtic coward retreats. I do not attack the other Gallics as I can not cover the exposed units. No contact with the Iroq yet. Total kills: 9 Total losses: 0 IT. Two French Horsemen appear next to Zabalam. Another NuMerc arrives and the Egyptians send a pike. The Byzatines send another archer. Two wounded Gallics fortify while another one moves next to Umma. The fourh Gallic retreats. Spain moves the warrior / archer stack into our territory and send 2 more archers. 4: 90 AD We could use some fast units, but we have no horses! no horses visible too. This can become a problem. Bombard a NuMerc.. score! 2 out of 3. Vet med ing - reg NuMerc (1) wins. Bombard the French horses... score! 1 out of 2. Elite sword - reg French horse wins (-1) Vet sword - reg French horse (2) wins (-1) Bombard the Spanish stack... score! 2 out of 2. Elite med inf - reg Spain archer wins. Elite sword - reg Spain warrior (2) wins (-3) Vet sword - reg Spain warrior (2) wins (-2) Bombard Gallic sword... score! 1 out of 1. Elite sword - reg Gallic sword (1) wins (-2) Vet sword - reg Gallic sword (1) wins (-1) Vet sword = reg Gallic sword wins, redlines. Elite sword - reg Egypt spear loses (-1) Vet sword - reg Egypt spear (2) wins (-2) Total kills: 19 Total losses: 1 IT. Carthage send 2 ancient cavs! Another Gallic sword appears and Spain send yet another archer. 5: 110 AD Bombard Egyption pike.. score! 2 out of 2. Bombard NuMerc.. score! 2 out of 3. Vet med inf - reg Egypt pike (1) wins, promotes I do not attack the NuMerc as our unit will be exposed to the 2 ancient cavs. Total kills: 20 Total losses: 1. IT. 2 spanish archers, one Gallic sword and 2 Ancient cavs invade. 6: 130 AD Bombard Spanish archer.. score! 2 out of 2. Elite med inf - reg Spain archer (1) wins. Elite sword - reg Spain archer wins (-1) Bombard Ancient cavs.. score! 2 out of 3. Elite sword - reg AC (3) the coward AC retreats. Vet med inf - reg AC (3) wins (-1) We meet the Iroq, but they have nothing to trade. War is declared. Total kills: 23 Total losses: 1 IT. Veteran Gallic sword - reg Enkidu wins (-1). Regular Byzantine archer - vet Enkidu wins (-1), promotes Another Byzantine archer appears. Egypt send a spear and a med inf. 7: 150 AD Bombard Gallic sword.. score! 2 out of 2. Vet sword - reg Gallic sword (1) wins, redlines. Vet med inf - reg Gallic sword.. COWARDS!! Elite sword - reg Gallic sword (1) wins Vet med inf (3) - vet Byzantine archer (3) wins (-1). Total kills: 26 Total losses: 3 IT. Reg NuMerc - vet Med Inf (2) wins (-1) Vet Gallic Sword - reg Enkidu loses (-2) We learn Monotheism, start Invention. 8: 170 AD Bombard an Egypt spear.. score! 2 out of 3. Bombard an Byzantine archer.. score! 2 out of 2. Elite sword - reg Byz archer (1) wins (-3) Elite med inf - reg Egypt spear (1) wins Vet sword - reg Spanish archer wins (-2) Total Kills: 30 Total losses: 4 IT. Reg AC (2) - vet Med inf loses (-1) Reg Byz horse - vet Med inf (3) wins (-1) 3 Spanish archers invade. The French send a spear and 2 archers our way. A sword from Carhage arrives. A NuMerc appears. 9: 190 AD Bombard a NuMerc.. score! 2 out of 3 Elite med inf - reg NuMerc (1) wins (-3) Bombard spanish archers.. score! 2 out of 2 Elite med inf - reg Spanish archer (2) wins (-1) Vet sword - reg Spanish archer (2) wins (-1) Elite sword - reg Spanish archer wins (-3) Bombard Iroq archer in Oka.. score! 2 out of 2 Elite sword - reg Iroq archer (1) wins, Oka razed. Total Kills: 36 Total losses: 4 It. 4 Gallic sword appear. 2 Egyptian med inf arrive Another NuMerc joins the party 10: 210 AD Bombard Gallic swords.. score! 1 out of 2 Bombard French spear.. score! 1 out of 2 Elite sword - reg French spear (2) loses (-1) Vet sword - reg French spear (1) wins, redlines Vet med inf - reg Gallic sword.. Gallic retreats Vet sword - reg Gallic sword (2) wins Total kills: 38 Total losses: 5 I think it is time to crush the annoying Celts, or at least raze and replace the 2 cities at the border. Banzai! 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Nice kill ratio,Banzai,they come from all angles.We have to find some horses.
Good ol' Van Nistelrooy.[goodjob] Take it away,general beam. |
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Our golden age will end soon. We are paying a lot of gold per turn on unit maintenance. I think that when the GA ends our economy will crash! We need more cities fast, therefor I think grabbing the furs site from the Celts is a priority. We have enough units down there to do the job. Don't forget to build a road to the furs. Banzai! |
What would really make all the difference would be an army.We're at 210 A.D. with plenty of combat but no M.G.L.We're bound to get one soon and my advice would be to form a sword army and build the heroic epic.Once the G.L's start coming we can form several armies and attack/pillage our neighbours.The R.N.G has been against us in giving M.G.L's.Pillaging is the name of the game but untill we get the wherewithall,we're stuffed.
I expect Beam to get an M.G.L.If he doesn't then Gawd Bless Us.[coool] |
Hey,Beam,are you going to play anytime soon?
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Will give it a try this weekend. That's a lot of kills Banzai!
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Yeah, but what I could not do is expand!
We need a city at the furs south of Umma fast! Not only for the lux, but also to push back the Celts and drop unit maintenance costs - it is sky high! Banzai! |
Couldn't agree more Banzai. I just managed to destroy Gergovia and a settler can build a new city on the furs soon.
Not only is unit maintenance sky-high, it is maintenance for weak units. We should have used our income from the GA for upgrades. I am stuck now with loads of EW and Swordies and about +4gpt at 10.0.0. Can't say I'm enjoying it atm. |
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Sorry for that! Because of the golden age I didn't realise we were paying so much gold on unit costs and used our income to keep the science high. I noticed it in turn 7 or 8 and that was too late to make any significant changes (besides disbanding lots of troops - which I did not do). I hope that with a city at the furs we do not need so many units for military police so we can send a large force to our enemies. When on the offensive we will lose more troops, but with a force like this we will be able to land quite a punch.. Hopefully you can enjoy the combat! Banzai! |
I understand your frustration,Beam,but in my turns I had no less than 8 separate cities targetted.We have the wrong shaped civ for AW.Many units had to be built to hold off the AI.
What surprises me is that we haven't generated a M.G.as yet.When we get a couple of armies we can pillage. In the mean time,do what you can.[coool] |
Be sure I've done everything to get a MGL Tarly.
The main factors hindering us is the shitty terrain requiring many many workers to improve a tile and the central position on the map with civs on all sides. The Civ itself isn't a real issue imo, we have a tech lead and therefore should be able to produce superior units easily and early. Right now I can't upgrade however because of the cash position. As a matter of fact I'm almost happy losing a cheap unit cause it means less gpt.:( Nevertheless, here is the sav at it's current state. Right time to have some discussion how to move on. Download Attachment: [img]icon_paperclip.gif[/img] Gilgamesh of the Sumerians, 270 AD.SAV 157.84KB Raw sav btw, didn't do city cycling etc. and some units have movement points left. |
Just got a look at the save..
Here is the map: http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/up...464_de map.jpg 106.07KB It looks like we are a bit short on offensive millitary units at the northern front [crazyeye] The elite archer at Sumer is about to die to the NuMerc unless we can cover him or kill the NuMerc. We do have a sword in Ur, but we will probably lose both units if we attack. Move at least the med inf at Isin straight north to assist at the front. On the southern front found the city on the spot (north of the ruins) and use the two celtic slaves to build a road north to connect the city. All units in the area should enter the new city and heal. We have only one pike down there, but Bad-tibira at the west has some enkidu available. We should send at least one to defend the new city. I think we need another pike to defend our offensive southern forces before attacking the eastern Celtic city Burdigxxxx The new city and the marketplaces due to finish will greatly increase our income.. i hope ;) Maybe we can do a single scientist research? Thats all I can think of at this moment.. Banzai! |
I'll try to take it tomorrow,friday 25th june.
Without armies,we're kinda stuffed.270 A.D. and no MGL and plenty of elite victories,seems that the RNG is giving us stick.Once the MGL's start coming,they usually come in squads.I'll build an army,get a victory and then build or rush the heroic epic.Apart from that it will be steady as she goes,batten down all hatches and prepare to submerge.[lol] I'll try to follow your advice ,Banzai. |
How is it going, Rodney?
Banzai! |
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Sumeria 270 A.D.
Pre turn. Basically,the strategic situation is very dodgy,most of our cities are in the front line and therefore need defending,making for a high troop cost.The AI menace is growing,we need an army,heroic epic and horses,desperately. However,it ain't over 'til the fat lady sings,not that I ever go to the opera.8 pints and a sing- song down the pub is my idea of culture. There are more AI nasties on our northern front than you can shake a stick at.Trouble at mill,lads. Move troops to N.front. Glossary,S= Spain,F= France,Eg=Egypt,C=Carthage,B=Byzantines,I=Iroquois .Ce=Celts. I don't attack on the pre-turn and hope for no pillaging.Ur given scientist. Governer mood controll on for all cities. I.T. C.N.M v inky,loses. Many wounded AI troops scarper. Turn 1. 280 A.D. Zabalam 2T (trebuchet) V F H (horse) 1 h.(hit) 1 M.(miss) sw. fh W sw.v fh retreat. Build Kisurra 3 tiles due S. of Umma.Erech,T v S.A (archer) H. SW. v S.A. W. Agada. 3 T v B.dromo,Eg.MI, 3 H. Ashak T v Eg A. H. Sw v Eg A, W. I'll post this in case I lose it and continue. |
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Sumeria,280 A.D cont.
I.T. Lagash Market-MI. Isin catches the 'flu.loses 1 pop. income=25 GPT. That's a bit better. Turn 2. 290 A.D. Agade T v B drom H. It's only necessary to knock 1 HP off for them to go back to port to heal. There are 16 enemy troops on the northern front,I've got my hands full,here.The game is to kill them without exposing our own troops,unecesessarily.That's where we're in dire need of horses. I.T. Bad Tibira Aqueduct-Mkt. Turn 3. 300 A.D. Upgrade Inky in Sumer for 60 G. 3 T v C.SW. all miss. MI v C SW. W. Elite Archer v C.SW. W. Hoo-fuckin-ray a great leader apears,Lugalzagest.Archer renamed Robin Hood.I'll build a MI army if I can find some MI's. Ur 2 T v Eg 2 H. Sw v Eg MI W. Build an army in capital and add 1 MI,no more available until next turn. I.T. Ur MI-MI Kish MI-Mkt. Sumer C A/C v inky W. C Sw v inkyn L. to be cont. |
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