Does this seem odd to anyone else?

As far as I can see from the Editor standard is 100 x 100 tiles and large is 130 x 130.

So is this an abnormally tall map?

Melifluous

Having used the editor a lot I know what could be the meaning behind the 100X130. It turns the map visually into a square, same hight as width. He could have graphicly wanted to make a special mapshape.
Also, making the shape 100X130 could also mean that on a "random" map with these parameters all "layers" are bigger. Thick Jungle in the middle, thick Tundra near the poles, ect ect.
I am curious.

As for tactics. I tested as well and there is one way that would make this a LOT easier. We need luck though. We need the Temple of Artemis. Soon. Either build it or Capture it.

But the ToA means you have to hold off education?

At the end of these games I am getting around 1500-2000 cultre per turn, do you think ToA that ends so early will actually help?

I'd never go for education in this game. First, Despotism means a lot of corruption and not so much production. If we have to crank out 200 shield Universities that will not help that much IMHO. I prefer 4 GS over a University any time.
We also should prevent getting Feudalism in the game as it makes our GS obsolete, so why research at all beyond the few needed techs in the Ancient Era? With the cash we get we can get literature by buying/stealing it. I say that once we get the wars going, we can pop-rush some of these but our main culture will have to come from temples.
Remember that if we get Artemis 2 setlers (60 shields and 4 pop) will produce more culture then one Lib (80 shields).

Well, we need about 60% of the landmass. I can't imagne getting it without Cavs, although maybe 30% of Deity games I can finish by Knights so it is possible.

Of course, we would never rush unis. That much is obvious. ;)

BTW, in your test did you play Deity 100k? Did you really get there in the ancient age??

difficulty: Emperor

Perhaps that explains my PoV?

On deity it would be very hard to try and conquer the world with GS, on emperor...why not? [fdevil]

I wonder how hard this game will be. I get the impression that these games are anything apart from standard. [ponder]

However we can get to Cavs if needed without Education, so I guess my original point is invalid. ToA will be very powerful...

Free and instant temples in every city will be a game buster. We need to check that this wonder is still available. Iirc they adjust the bic to make C3C compatible with PTW and vanilla Civ. Its possible they'll remove it.

ToA's nice, but IIRC the temples' cpt doesn't double after 1000 years, so if you're going for 100K handbuilt temples might be more beneficial....

Putting in a lot of effort for ToA will be hardly worth it. With 30 shield temples and being agri in every city you'll have a temple in 5, 7 or 10 turns at most.

Pyramids seem substantially more tempting than ToA and it might be possible to get them on Emperor imo. With enough luxuries it might be possible to whip at least cathedrals and may be universities in food-rich cities even if they would have to starve. Also, we actually might be better off avoiding ToA since culture for temples does not double. With "projected date" or around 1400-1600AD, it might be worth only if acquired after 400-600AD apparently. But by then, the conquest phase should be essentially over either with GS or knights. It might be also that we would need Navigation to reach some remote areas of the map and/or trade luxuries with the AI and hence Education might be required.

Hmm - I still think ToA is a breaker. The early temples allows libraries to be whipped instead or a settler to be built. Combine ToA with 200+ cities and we have a lot of very very rapid culture

I'll have to find a few GOTM discussions between SirPleb and mad-bax regarding the balance of early expansion versus early culture with calculations as well as cost/cpt for various improvements. Also, later on, it might be worth considering Palace moves either for free or with a leader to corrupt areas to boost production there.

Hmm, much depends on the map and also who our neighbours are! If our neighbours are Industrious (or the Inca) they start with masonry and will very likely beat us to the Pyramids. We can capture it easier with the GS then build it ourselves.
Remember that for getting it ourselves we need Masonry rather soon and it is not a tech that leads us anywhere.

There is a plently of stuff written about 100K in PTW/vanilla. But very few posts on 100K in C3C. I guess, differences are obvious.

The only meaningful post seems to be one by SirPleb winning COTM4 100K culutral race.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...7&page=2&pp=20

The date has been rather impressive although he also played for score since this is GOTM and score is more important. Also, he did not stay in Despotism obviously. In SGOTM, the only thing that matters is the finish date apparently. Though mad-bax tries to stick to his word, he used to change or tweak the rules half-way through the game "due to new circumstances discovered during gameplay". Certainly, SGOTM would be not so well polished and not so thouroughly tested as GOTM is especially in its C3C version and especially since there would be only a few teams playing C3C. I'm not so sure at to whether he is always fair and considers all options as well. And since the scenario (map at least) was created in vanilla editor, a series of bugs might be highly anticipated. After all, it will be the first C3C SGOTM - SCOTM.

There is a very peculiar discussion in the SGOTM forum "Permitted" by mad-bax. IMO, the guy is trying to fuck up the game again. Also, I really don't understand his attitude. If we ever meet face to face in real life, first thing he gets from me is a good punch just for the fun of seeing his reaction (of course aiming to break the nose). [lol]

Confused... [confused]

I seen the rating that Mad-Bax posted.

Puts me at Sid with anarres and akots, whilst Col and Killer get Deity and KR gets emperor???!!!???

I can honestly say that I have never even beaten Deity in my entire life.

And I easily put Killer above me in rankings, cant comment on KR, but I suppose the Col ranking was fair ;)

Melifluous

I guess this is specific mad-bax's "Double vision". IMO, the words of a song come handly around him: "I wear my sunglasses at night". It works in a very simple way: You see what you want and what you think is true and you just ignore what you don't want to see. ;)

It might be OK, but same things come to the games sometimes. At least, this was the case while he was play-testing them alone. I would still prefer an exact replay of the original GOTM with some tweaks or some variant or playing for some other civ than in original GOTM while keeping the scenario. And am very suspicious regarding the home-cooked (anti)constipation cocktail of poorly tested scenario with weird distribution of the players between the teams.

However, rumor says that mapmaking and playtesting of the variant rules has been substantially improved. So, it is worth a shot IMO.

The tread at CFC is up and running. It is possible to start discussions there but the save will be available on the 7th.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=111448

Hmm - seeing as how I'm currently 0-3 in pbems having lost to Meli, Killer and erikk, I'm not convinced. I play on emperor normally and like Meli certainly do not regard myself in any shape or form as a deity player. I feel sorry for KR being ranked below me!

Awesome team you have there guys :)

Team Offa decided to join the C3C just because of you.

Your ideas are great but nothing new, but try to get an own thread (with PW) so snoops like me can't read what you're doing? I shouldn't be here, but I'm a member in this forum too and couldn't resist.

And I'm sure I find a way to screw up my team's plans again and make us win quicker than the intentions was. So I'm the weak link in our team and take notes in forums like this :lol:

No seriously, Good Luck and everything, you'll need it :) Our team consist of 3 calculators, a warmonger and me. I'm indifferent to what way the game goes and can change my mind like the wind, even if my team-mates dislike it. But they're always prepared with tar and feathers IF I do something very stupid and a WHOLE lot of calculations.

Just to be fair, I'm not going to look in this thread again and if someone can PM me when it's "safe" I would like to continue the lighter discussion of the game :)

cheers,
gozpel

Awesome team you have there guys :)

Team Offa decided to join the C3C just because of you.

Your ideas are great but nothing new, but try to get an own thread (with PW) so snoops like me can't read what you're doing? I shouldn't be here, but I'm a member in this forum too and couldn't resist.

And I'm sure I find a way to screw up my team's plans again and make us win quicker than the intentions was. So I'm the weak link in our team and take notes in forums like this :lol:

No seriously, Good Luck and everything, you'll need it :) Our team consist of 3 calculators, a warmonger and me. I'm indifferent to what way the game goes and can change my mind like the wind, even if my team-mates dislike it. But they're always prepared with tar and feathers IF I do something very stupid and a WHOLE lot of calculations.

Just to be fair, I'm not going to look in this thread again and if someone can PM me when it's "safe" I would like to continue the lighter discussion of the game :)

cheers,
gozpel

I have no idea who determined the ranking, but also can't realy care. It may be based on the number of posts at CFC, I have 6 (or 7).

It is possible to start the game. :)

All downloads and links are at mad-bax's post or his sig.

OK Guys.

We have a new forum here --> http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=92

It is only available to people that are on the roster list, so...

Anyone else who would like access, could you please post in the I would like to see whats going on in SGOTM6 please thread which is here --> http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/to...?TOPIC_ID=2371

Lets get going.

Melifluous

Hi gozpel!

I hope we give you a good game. :)