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Kemal
09-10-2003, 21:50
First spoiler for another game that has been going for some time, vs Killer. Game specs were mostly random, even landmass, so there's little to tell about those. It turned out we are on a (semi)pangea map, made by Skyfish. I'm playing Japan, and Killer the Arabs, with the modification that we'll both use riders as our UU. Finally, an additional rule has been made regarding MAs, only one at a time may be signed vs the human player.

So, to start things off, here's how I started:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109193320_startjapan.jpg
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Though the start itself was very good (it's a fresh water lake), I was most unhappy with the nearby villages, as they could mean an early threat from the barbs for me, so I decided to delay grabbing them as long as I could.
In turn 8, already the first major bad news was recieved in Japan, in the form of a quick look at the scores:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109193618_killersettlerturn8.jpg
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A word to Killer about this revealed what was already the only possibilty, he had popped a settler already! :(
Since he's expansionistic, it's something you have to be prepared for, but it was still bad news. Unfortunately for me, it didn't end there...

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This is at turn 12(!), and all 30.000 inhabitants of Japan held their breath as this great threat to Japan appeared from the west. The Roman warrior itself wasn't the problem of course, but the hut he was going to pop was extremely dangerous, as my worker was working a nearby tile. I decided to protect him with my warrior and just leave Kyoto open for the barbs to attack. Fortunately for me, the Romans popped pottery, and no barbs. This early encounter messed up my early settling plans, as I had wanted my 2nd city to be placed near the cow to the west. Now I needed to deal with the 2nd barbs village as fast as possible, as the Romans were eager to explore this hut too:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109194522_gedwongenbouw.jpg
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To prevent barbs, I settled my 2nd city just next to the hut, on the hill, and popped BW. Not the best of city sites, but not bad either, and at least this meant the end of the barbarian threat.

Now, as you may have noticed on the previous pics, the Romans had built there 2nd(?) city very close to Kyoto, but this aggressive settling policy of theirs was only beginning, as this was what I faced near my borders at turn 24 (!!), before I had a chance to finish a 2nd settler:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/200310919498_lekkerRometurn24.jpg
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:(:(

The game progressed relatively quiet (only noteable things were Killer popping a free city in around turn 15, and me popping... barbs and getting my warrior killed) until turn 46, when first contact was made with the Arab people:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109195522_turn46daarisie.jpg
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Before I continue about what happened when me met, lets first take a look at how Japan was doing in turn 46, starting with an overview of my empire at that time:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109195955_overview46.jpg
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(Note the temple in Tokyo, which will be rushed to steal the cow from Rome)

And on the minimap:

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The score (:():

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/200310920136_scores46.jpg
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And concluding with the predictable demographs (hey, only the first time so far this spoiler! ;)):

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/20031092032_demographs46.jpg
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The encounter was near his free city, just past the isthmus that divides the two lands we're on. Immediately I knew I had to block off his access to my lands there, but I also wanted to have contact with more civs than my neighbours Rome, the Greeks to the West, and the Egyptians, who weren't located yet. Another thing I considered was checking out whether his city was defended or not, of course, although that would cost another 2 turns for my warrior to get back and block the path.
After contact was established, Killer and I did some trading, this is what I got after the trades, and what Killer got from me:

Me:
- Mathematics, IW, Writing, Horseback Riding
- 250 gold
- Contact with Babylon, Carthage, Persia
- Roman worker

Killer:

- Mathematics, and an undisclosed amount of cash for selling my contact to his neighbours.

What happened is that we agreed I got writing and contact with Babylon for Mathematics (I bought that for 200 from Egypt). He proceeded by selling my contact around to his neighbours, so the actual trade was only Writing vs Maths. However, it turned out his neighbours were very wealthy, so I sold maths for 250 gold and HR to Carthage and Persia, and Writing to the weak Babylonians for IW. Then I sold HR at monopoly price to my neighbours and got about 200 and a worker for that.
I don't know what Killer got for my contact he sold around, but he was HR behind after the trades were completed. It might be he wants to upgrade chariots however, so maybe he deliberately didn't take it from the AI.

We're now at turn 57, 3 turns ago I did another good round of trading when Persia discovered Mapmaking. Profiting heavily from my middleman position, I got mapmaking and the entire world map plus another 200 gold out of this, bringing my gold total around a staggering 1100 gold already.

This is how Killer is doing in turn 57:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109202634_overviewkiller57.jpg
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This is what is called Japan at the moment:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109202715_overview57japan.jpg
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And the entire WM:

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At the moment, Killer is leading in both score and power, and maybe too in demographs:

Score
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Power
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Demographs
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109204049_demographs57.jpg
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My current plan is to attack Rome soon, barracks have been constructed in Osaka and Edo, and Tokyo will soon follow. These cities will create a host of warriors that I will upgrade using my large treasury, and I hope I can take out the cities closest to me, especially Cumae, before they'll have too many legionaries (Rome is next to iron). I'm already building the FP in Satsuma, in case I fail to get a leader in my war against the Romans, which is likely since I don't plan to drag it on too long.

I still control the isthmus, but Killer has posted two warriors next to it for some time now, so he might conisder an attack.

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/200310920354_isthmus57.jpg
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For now I'm still profiting from my monopoly on all contacts, but with mapmaking discovered, I expect the AI to reach eachother soon, even though I refrained from giving mapmaking to the Greeks (and they still don't have it), who are, of my neighbours, closest to Killer.

To finalize this large spoiler update, here's a nice trade with Babylon I did in the latest turn:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003109203754_leuketrade57.jpg
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Best part of it is that this almost certainly Killer's gold flowing in my vaults, as the AI never maintains a large positive cashflow ealry in the game. Since he has just acquired mapmaking himself this turn, I think this must have been the price he paid for it.

anarres
10-10-2003, 00:15
That's nice, taking the gold Killer is giving to the AI! [thumbsup]

Skyfish
10-10-2003, 08:24
Am not sure I understand this right but it looks like he messed up the trades :
why didn't Killer sell Math to his AIs when you sold it to him in the first place ?
Also you say you got Writing from him but then proceeded to sell Writing to the Babylonians, why didn't he do that himself and cut you from those deals ? [confused] [hmm] [scratch]

Kemal
10-10-2003, 11:21
@Sky: To make sure I got the first shot at trading maths, I specifically asked him to send the contact with Babs/Writing accepted before agreeing to the deal, so I could get the other contacts via the Babylonians during my turn, and proceed with selling mathematics to more AI buyers, before he got the turn back again.
As it turned out, before he sent me anything (we were negotiating while it was his turn) he sold contact with me to all AIs, netting him some gold, but saving me the costs of buying contacts fom Babylon (which made up for the fact that, in the end, he only gave writing for maths, not writing and contact with Babylon, as we had agreed).

So he never had the possibility to sell maths to the AI, as he got it last. Why he didn't give/sell Babylon all known (to him) techs to deny me a possible trade, I don't know.

Puwen
10-10-2003, 14:31
I recomend you to unfortyfy your warrior at the istmus so it doesn't die from disease.

Kemal
10-10-2003, 14:35
BREAKING NEWS: ARABIA LAUNCHES SNEAK ATTACK ON JAPANESE FORCES

What had been feared in Japan for some time has become reality as the Arabian leader Lt. Killer M, a notorious warmongerer, has ambushed Japanese forces on the isthmus without provocation, and without consulting with the Japanese leadership first to see if war could have been prevented.

Now, the Japanese leader ToKemalu is pondering whether additional actions against the Arabian people are necessary, and has asked for an audience with the Carthaginian General Hannibal. The possibilty of a Japanese-Carthaginian alliance is not yet off the table, even though the Japanese leader had a sudden stroke of insanity and let the turn pass to Killer, while he could have made the deal by selling contact with Rome and Greece to Carthage for the alliance. :(

I'll have the iron connected in 2 turns from now, then I'll upgrade about 7 warriors to swords in case Killer sets up the Romans against me, if he has the luck of encountering an AI unit on the isthmus.

EDIT: @puwen: thanks for the tip, but I left it fortified because I feared he would die of other causes than disease sooner, which turned out to be the truth as this post shows..[sad]

ProPain
15-10-2003, 12:07
quote:Originally posted by Puwen

I recomend you to unfortyfy your warrior at the istmus so it doesn't die from disease.


I never knew this only happened to fortified units! You're never too old to learn I guess. Great tip!

anarres
15-10-2003, 12:46
Kemal, have you got a map of the warzone?

Kemal
15-10-2003, 16:03
I certainly have, and as an additional bonus there's also an overview of what's been happening during the last few turns, as there has been more warfare than just between Killer and Carthage in the past several years.

As reported before, I left the possibility of signing an alliance using contacts as a payment uncertain for a turn, but thankfully Killer hadn't found the Greeks yet as I got it back again, so I quickly set up Carthage and scooped 190 gold from Persia by trading away a few contacts. Iron was almost connected, and with plenty of vet warriors around, I was actually already gearing up for war against Rome, while the Greeks were still some distance away.

However, almost immediately after contacts became available to Killer, he bought the Greeks in, making me believe he doesn't have the world map yet, as buying in Rome seems to have been a better choice at that moment. As there was no Greek anywhere near my borders the first turn after they declared war, I decided to continue as planned and launched my attack vs Rome on Cumae, which was only defended by 1 spear, yet cost me a vet sword to occupy.

In the current situation, I'm planning to push the Roman borders back, hoping to take Neapolis, which has incense, in 2 turns, while using a few swords and horses to keep the Greeks at bay in the west. Killer is still at war with Carthage, but nothing seemed to have happened yet. One thing that is noteable though, is that I'm ranked strong in military against Killer and Babylon, and average to all other AI except carthage, whom I'm weak against. Good to hear they have a decent army, though I think it consists mostly of overvalued (by the mil. advisor) mercs.

Here are some pics of current wartime hotspots, as well as the minimap and my current army:

Eastern Front (with Neapolis barely visible in the topright corner):

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003101515144_easternfront.jpg
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Western Front (only a few archers from Knossos so far):

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The Japanese Army(plus minimap) in the current turn, 69:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003101514586_military69.jpg
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Most recent pic from Killer/Carthage:


http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/20031015145920_killercarthage.jpg
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Skyfish
15-10-2003, 19:37
You are playing the safe card too much ;), you could have divided your big stack of swords between Neapolis and Veii, the latter looks like a nice city to own, seems overkill to me but I dont know the game enough, seen many Legions yet ?

Kemal
16-10-2003, 15:32
JAPAN PROSPERS AS NEW AGE IS ENTERED *** FORTUNE SHINES UPON EMPIRE IN ROMAN-JAPANESE WAR, NEAPOLIS IN FLAMES *** FILM AT ELEVEN

We're now at turn 74, but events in the last 4 turns have had and will have an enormous impact on the development of this game for turns to come!

War with both Greece and Rome continues, and in turn 72 good luck shone upon the Japanese as an elite swordsmen so cleverly routed the foe that this unit's commander was promoted to legendary status:

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[coool]

With fighting still being far from over, and no real 2nd core being ready for a new palace to support, it was decided that Japan would be best off by rushing the Great Library, as that would mean the army could be supported by the full commercial output of Japan, allowing for faster conquest, and since I was already 3 techs behind at that moment (CoL, Poly and Construction), and there are 3 scientific civs in the game, I figured that getting any money from the AI with tech trades was out of the question for some time to come.

There were some tense moments as I suspected the Persians to have the Library near completion in Persepolis (too expensive to investigate), but in turn 73 the Great Library was constructed in the Japanese city of Tokyo:

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And that same turn, techs came pouring in, all the way up to:

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[eek]
Yes, the tech pace in this game is blistering, it's now 1175 BC and I'm fighting with med. infantries! For some reason, the AI is very fast with developing new techs, and each civ seems to pick a different tech eacht time, optimizing their trading of known techs.
As I possess the GL now, I have shut down research completely. All techs the AI can now possibly research (Monarchy, Republic, Invention or Monotheism) are useful to me, as they lead to either a much needed new government form, Chivalry, or Invention for Leo's Workshop, so no need for me to do any research myself.

As for the war against Rome, I've completed my goal of taking out Neapolis, unfortunately they heavily pop-rushed, so the end-result for me was:

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Settlers are already under construction to grab the free incense, while 2 swords patrol they area to hunt down possible Roman colonists there. My original plan was to team my swords from the Neapolis campaign up with about 8 newly constructed from Tokyo, but recent enemy activity has made me to change plan and regroup near Tokyo to destroy the bulk of Rome's armies:

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With the newly acquired techs of Feudalism and Engineering, and over 550 gp cash still in the bank, I'll now do a mass-upgrade of swordsmen soon, costing me about 400 gold, and use about 15 to take out Veii and Rome itself, while sending the rest to the Greek-Japanese borders, as there has been increased activity there too, with several units (archer/hoplite) making their way to Japanese lands.

Once I have made peace again with the (by then) crippled Romans, I'll launch a new offensive vs Greece using Roman war veterans, but I expect that war to be decided with Riders (our modded UU) though, so (possibly after some marketplaces first) I'll concentrate on building horsemen as offensive units from now on, while building up a large treasury, to have a large stack of riders ready when the AI comes around to researching chivalry for me. I'll have the FP finished in about 25 turns from now, which will greatly add to my productivity, and I feel I do not need to grab much more land soon, as my own together with former Roman lands should be more than sufficient for the next 60 turns or so.

As for Killer, his situation (as far as can be seen from a picture) hasn't changed anything the last few turns. He's still at war with Carthage, but he'll be most displeased that both Babylon and Persia now have Feudalism, allowing for pikes, and already 3 Persian core-cities are size 7 or higher, making me believe those Pyramids in Persepolis will be safe from the Arabs for a while, as Killer is still some time away from Medieval Infantries (currently he's behind Philosophy, construction, currency, literature, code of laws, polytheism, engineering, feudalism).

Eldakkar
16-10-2003, 15:45
[dance]

Way to go, bro!!

[goodjob]

anarres
16-10-2003, 16:27
Are you hoping for a leader to move your palace later then, or will you rush the FP if you get a leader before your build finishes?

Skyfish
16-10-2003, 20:07
Have you RCPed around the FP city ?

anarres
16-10-2003, 20:19
RCP is useless around the FP though, isn't it?

Kemal
16-10-2003, 23:42
No RCP around the FP, because, as anarres has already pointed out, it's only useful around the original palace, and I still haven't decided exactly where to put it, but I will try RCP around that new palace site later, if possible.

If I get a new leader soon (now to 15 turns) I'll use it to rush Sun Tzu, or Leo's if it's already available. Any leader at a later date will be used to rush a new palace once the FP is completed.

As it stands now, there probably be plenty of battles against Greece and Rome in the near future, after I triggered both Rome's and Greece's GA in a disastrous single turn, losing a med inf to a Legionairy, and an elite sword to a regular hoplite on the plains. :(

Skyfish
17-10-2003, 16:34
Indeed I dont know what I was [stoned]
I think I meant to ask if you had RCPed around your Palace as a close FP would "kill" your RCP, is that clearer ?

Kemal
19-10-2003, 14:49
ARAB EMPIRE IN TURMOIL AS BABYLONIAN BOWMEN STRIKE!

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Another update, but this time opening with reports (based upon guessing and conversations with the Arabian leadership) on the enemy empire, Arabia, rather than current Japanese military and domestic affairs.
In recent years (current turn is 86) Arabia has been plagued by warfare, as Carthage relentlessly assaulted Arab fortifications, refusing to make peace on even terms, even after Arabia burned a Carthaginian town to the ground. To make things worse for Arabia, Carthage used their economic powers to buy in the world's laughing stock, Babylon, to join their crusade against the evil Arabs.

And now, even though Caliph Killer seems to have made a reasonable peace treaty with Hannibal, Hammurabi brings out his secret weapon, the Babylonian Bowman! Right from the top of the Arabian command chain itself, the Japanese have learned that the Arabs have suffered incredible losses trying to rout the Babylonians near Aden, with warriors, spears, horses and swords alike falling to the power of the bow and arrow.
Now, as can be seen from the most recent picture Japan has available of the Arab empire, Aden has fallen, pushing the Arab borders away from Babylon, while Killer might face a very tough task to bounce back from the heavy losses he has suffered in his futile attempt to hold it. Whether this defeat will be the beginning of the end for Arabia is still to be seen...

As for Japan's own wars, ToKemalu has suffered a significant setback in his plans to conquer Rome, and ordered an immediate change of plans after encountering heavy resistance entering Roman lands:

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Losing an elite swordsman to a Roman legionary, and with 3 vets lurking in nearby hills, Japan abandoned the plan to conquer Rome itself, and has settled for a peace treaty on very good terms, with the Romans surrendering the cities of Veii and Lutetia (north of Japan) along with their treasry to Japan. Now, only 3 med. infs remain to keep the Romans in check, with most of the Japanese army being transferred to the western front.
Even though not capturing Rome has been a disappointment, there were little regrets for pulling the med. infs back, as Greek activity has tremendously increased over the past few turns, hoplites are trying to sneak into Japanese borders for pillaging/worker hunting jobs, while the main Greek offensive focuses on the Japanese city of Nagoya:

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As it stands now, taking out the Greek military shall be as simple as butchering sleeping cattle, with several med. infs and horsemen standing by to take out the exposed Greek archers.
If the developments in this war allow for it, some med. infs will try to take Thermopylae, however, this will only be an optional target, since farming for leaders has priority now.

While Japanese warfare is something to be content about, ToKemalu rejoices even more about the domestic situation, as Japanese wisemen encountered some Persian and Egyptian scrolls in the vast halls of their Great Library speaking about the more advanced governments forms of Monarchy and Republic! A revolution followed immediately, and since a few turns the Japanese Empire has turned into the Japanese Republic, greatly increasing growth, productivity and income throughout the realm. And with the recent founding of a city northwest of Rome, securing the 4th luxury for Japan, incense, plus the ongoing free happiness from the war with Arabia, no luxury tax is necessary to keep the laborers happy!

But much to the dismay of the Japanese leadership, there seems to be a nation doing even better at the moment, take a look at last turn's demographs:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/20031019133413_demographs86.jpg
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After learning that Japan ranked only 2nd in gnp and productivity, and even 3rd(!) in mfg. goods, an commitee was assembled to investigate which nation was most likely to be the stronger atm, and their conclusion was it could be none other than the mighty Persian empire, which happen to be Arabia's northern neighbours:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/20031019133642_Persia.jpg
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also, it seemed to be most likely that the GA'ed Greeks were also ahead of Japan in mfg. goods, but since they seem to focus their production on useless archers, this is nothing to worry about.
And it should be noted that the FP will come online in 9 turns from now, which will most likely see Japan leap ahead of the competition in most major categories, as the (semi)ring around the FP city has been completed already.

To finish things up, here are the two other important power indicators, the Score- and Powergraph, as well as the most recent minimap:

Minimap:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/2003101913436_minimap86.jpg
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Score:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/20031019134513_score86.jpg
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Power:

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Kemal
21-10-2003, 12:32
WORLD AT WAR!
Xerxes entices nations to the path of war *** ToKemalu plans for 3-way defensive struggle *** Japan blesses Great Library finding scrolls on explosives *** Arabia doomed?

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We're now at turn 100, but the situation in the world has changed dramatically since the previous update. Until turn 95 things progressed as usual, with the exception that I had some small military successes vs the Greeks, capturing Thermopylae and Mycenae in the far west, while keeping their archers and med infs at bay with a small group of trained horses and maces. But in turn 95, the FP came online in Satsuma, giving a major boost to economic output. (It ranked me 1st in productivity, but still 2nd in mfg goods despite a massive 80 shields, 1st place seems to be at 81 so difference is minimal).
Since there had been no alliances for some time, and with Killer fighting the Babs, I thought the time had come to bribe in the mighty Persian empire against Arabia. I had noticed my army comparing strong vs Killer, but weak vs Persia figuring they should be able to do some decent damage, so I contacted Xerxes to negotiate for a price, and for a mere 387 gp Persia joined the crusade vs the Arabs. (I made a severe error here, I actually negotiated the price in gpt to see how much they wanted, and had planned to pay gpt, but when I contacted them at the end of the turn to make the deal, I somehow ended up paying them lump sum, which during the next few turns turned out have more consequences than just me losing some cash...).

What happened in the next(!) turn is that Persia decided to make a monstrous pact with Greece, making a two way alliance with on the one hand forcing Greece to join in against the war vs the Arabs, but in return Greece got the support of Persia in their war against me! So Persia betrayed me and the alliance we just signed, and have actually gone to war against me alongside Greece! [mad]

As soon as I got into the war with Persia, I decided to start withdrawing as many units in defensive positions as possible, as I was heavily concerned with the fact that they might buy in Rome too. I couldn't buy Rome in against anyone myself, as that would mean they'd enter my lands with their legionaries unchecked, to go and fight somewhere else.
And my concerns turned out to be just, as 2 turn after they declared war on me, Persia decided to do another round of shopping, and managed to get both Rome and Egypt in their wars against both me and Killer!
This brings the current situation of diplomatic relations on the following:

Arabia:

Peace with: Babylon
Allied with: no known alliances
At war with: Japan and Carthage (allied), and Persia, aliied with Greece, Rome and Egypt.

Japan:

Peace with: Carthage, Babylon
Allied with: Carthage, against Arabia
At war with: Arabia as well as Persia and Greece, and their evil allies Rome and Egypt.

Current situation, one turn after the Great War erupted, sees Japan trapped between 3 nations and attacked in a Hydra-like fashion, with three (hey, at least they're not 7 (yet) ;)) heads striking simultaneously,
Greece in the west:

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Egypt in the north:

http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Kemal/20031021111338_headEgypt.jpg
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and, most dangerously, Rome in the southeast:

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I've thankfully got about 900 cash in stock, so in extreme emergencies I can buy units to keep them at bay, but as it stands now I think I can control this sudden outbreak of violence. This is also because of new works by scientists from all over the world have been found in the Library, telling of experiments concerning the use of explosive substances to improve weapons of war, greatly helping out defenses, as well as a new look on religion involving the worship of only a single entity as a God. This new knowledge opens up the way to mounted, armored horsemen, and it is expected that new information on such "Riders" will turn up on the Libraries shelves shortly.

When those new riders will appear, an offensive war might become a good possibility again, for now it's just 100% defense, with the only thoughts on attacking being which "head" to chop off and burn down first!

To finalize this update, a few words on the Arabic situation. Arabia has fought two different wars with Babylon over the past few turns, liberating Aden and gaining the knowledge of currency in a peace deal. However, I also took about 227 gp (in a per turn deal mostly) from Hammu for invention, making me believe peace has not come cheap.
Now, it looks like Arabia is ready to be forged and reshaped between the Anvil Carthage and the Hammer Persia. So far no cities have been reported as lost to Arabia, but only Caliph Killer himself knows how long the valiant Arabs can hold out against such an overwhelming power as Carthage and Persia combined...

digger760
21-10-2003, 13:20
Killer seems to be close to an age behind the rest of the world !!!

Skyfish
21-10-2003, 15:25
Looks like this map is shaping up real well and giving you guys the right amount of headaches :D
;)

Lt. Killer M
22-10-2003, 09:40
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I killed 4 Immos norht of my capital and wounded one - but I will not survive the Carthagians attacking in the south.....

The fact that kemal could ally with Persia, then was free to ally AGAIN right away as Persia declared war on him really broke my neck. Just when I was thinking I might survive the Persians and even catch up two or three techs...... :(

kemal, round 2????

Lt. Killer M
22-10-2003, 10:41
quote:I don't know what Killer got for my contact he sold around, but he was HR behind after the trades were completed. It might be he wants to upgrade chariots however, so maybe he deliberately didn't take it from the AI.

because Killer was dead broke. Two of the civs first couldn't generate money (which slowed our tech pace vs Kemal and Co) because they fought, then I got beat by a max research gamble and lost out....

Lt. Killer M
22-10-2003, 10:45
quote:he bought the Greeks in, making me believe he doesn't have the world map yet

I still haven't got it :( Carthage never gave me a godd peace deal, despite me clearly winning the war - i was not able to project forsce into their lands and for ages they wanted Basra for peace [eek]