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akots
07-11-2016, 02:23
So, the game is out and full of bugs as usual. Release version is essentially unplayable. And again, just like in pre-patch Civ3, trades and gpt deals don't work. [lol] And somebody just won a deity game on normal speed under 100 turns selling some silly horsemen. [estwing]

Ratings are decent in reviews but game seems to actually suck even more than Civ5. Anyhow, I'm not buying it any time soon. I think, I'll wait for usual first and second expansion and then, we'll see if it gets better.

On the bright side, Dishonored 2 will be out in a week and it looks extremely tempting. I like this kind of dynamic action. Hopefully, it is not too difficult for my aging reflexes. Although I still do pretty well in single player and multiplayer shooters.

Kingreno
07-11-2016, 13:38
Hi guys!

Bought Civ6 This saturdaymorning as both the wife and kids were out for the weekend.....

It is indeed full of bugs, I give it 6/10 max. BUT it is nice to play anyways.

Anyone up for a Multiplayer game? prefer play by Email (is that even supported??)


Greets, Kingreno

Shabbaman
07-11-2016, 15:04
I just finished my first game. Some thoughts:
-1 unit per tile is still a bore: it just drags wars on and on, unit micromanagement is boring and the AI still doesn't know how to place it's units. This game is hours of boredom mixed with hours of 1 UPT frustration.
-I have no idea why random stuff takes 40 turns to build
-diplomacy is useless: I don't think this part of the game has been programmed already. At all.
-AI is retarded: I found an empty continent with nothing but beautiful strategic and bonus resources, within several tiles of two different AI. I think the AI doesn't settle because of the amenity malus for more than four cities (in case you didn't know, luxury resources are only distributed to four cities, even if you have multiples. So making more than four large cities is hard).
-bronchitis sucks

On the upside, I haven't broken the game yet so it might be better than civ5.

Socrates
07-11-2016, 22:30
So basically itís still Civ 5 subpar level?

Shabbaman
08-11-2016, 09:37
I don't know (yet). Civ5 was/is (no clue if the last DLC fixed it or not) pretty bad. In civ5 you could simply maximize your gold output and buy everything, coasting to a cultural victory on deity. Without the AI perceiving you as a threat.

Having said that, based on Steam stats (http://store.steampowered.com/stats) civ5 is still a very popular game. I suspect a lot of people strictly play multiplayer, and in MP it really doesn't matter what the AI can and cannot do. Perhaps civ5 and civ6 are good MP games?

Since I don't want to end with a positive note: making a fun multiplayer game isn't that hard. When you're playing with friends (or simply fun people), basically any game is fun. By then it's just not the game that's fun, it's gaming that's fun.

Kingreno
08-11-2016, 12:02
Finished my first game with a victory yesterday, only on prince level but it was very easy, I rushed the 3 AI with Legionaires/archers. Opposing forces' tactics were horrific. Next game will be on monarch/emp.

I share Shabba's negative points. What I dislike indeed is the very very slow expanding. Buildings that seem not that good may take up to 40 turns to build while early units are very cheap to build (5 turns or so). Having to choose between a Campus district (30 turns and a library in it, 20 turns) for 3 extra science or 10 swordsmen (good ol' sticky point research does not work, but steamroling an AI does) is an easy choice.

Shabbaman
08-11-2016, 14:26
What I dislike indeed is the very very slow expanding.

Building city districts is one of the major changes compared to previous versions. What is nice about it is that it forces you to build specialized cities and plan in advance. But while you are waiting 20+ turns for just the district to be completed, you are basically doing nothing for a tiny reward. Where this goes horribly wrong is that once you unlock new buildings, you might not have a district to build that new building in. The time spent working your way up the tech tree is more time wasted.

Waiting Simulator 2016.

There, I said it.

Kingreno
10-11-2016, 13:04
I will never like the cultural or space vics as you can easily turtle up and just out-produce the AI and indeed use the Waiting simulator 2016. :)

Now trying a ICS strat on Monarch, to see if that is fun. The happiness system is complicated though as only your 4 biggest cities benefit from Luxuries. All other cities get stuck at size 3 and need an entertainment complex (40 turns is no exception...).

Shabbaman
10-11-2016, 17:54
Cultural victory in civ5 was very linear, I'm Civ6 at the very least it looks more complicated.

akots
11-11-2016, 09:34
I think I'll stick with Dishonored 2 at the moment.

Surely, after some time, they'll fix it and it'll be more or less playable. Just not now.

Shabbaman
12-11-2016, 11:51
I liked Dishonored 1 a lot, but especially because I paid something like five euro for it. I'm looking forward to paying the same for DH2.

Currently I'm also playing Battlefield 1 and Overwatch, but these games don't really resonate well with me. BF is, well, more of the same BF. Fun if you play with friends, but since I don't... Overwatch looks nice, but I've played too much Team Fortress to enjoy this game casually.

So that leaves me with playing Civ6 or going back to CK2 or my old Football Manager 2015 save. I'm anticipating new DLC for Cities Skylines more than another game of Civ6.

Man, I sure whine a lot.

socralynnek
13-11-2016, 12:27
Cultural victory in civ5 was very linear, I'm Civ6 at the very least it looks more complicated.

You mean the cultural or the other cultural (the new one being the one using tourism)

I just finished a Civ5 game (few months old GOTM) with tourism. I found that one quite interesting as it is not straight forward and requires some tradeoffs.

By the way, for me Civ5 is new and interesting enough at the moment, that I won't switch to Civ6 until there is some offer. I don't have enough time for the prize anyway.
On the other hand, some aspects sound interesting (districts)

Shabbaman
13-11-2016, 15:17
Civ5 tourism came with BNW. I never bothered to play BNW, although I did buy it in some Steam sale.

Kingreno
15-11-2016, 10:11
My god this game is realy bad. :(

AI does not upgrade units. Once you get to, say, tanks. It's crushing spearmen, warriors and archers by the hundreds.

socralynnek
16-11-2016, 14:42
Civ5 tourism came with BNW. I never bothered to play BNW, although I did buy it in some Steam sale.

I think I didn't play much of Civ5 before BNW, so probably I am better off (that is: playing the better game)
Culture win is totally different in there for example (so, not as straight forward)

Thanks for the input guys, now I am sure to play Civ5 for a few more months before I consider playing Civ6.

I hope they will patch Civ6 often enough so it will indeed then be a good game...

akots
18-11-2016, 04:18
I liked Dishonored 1 a lot, but especially because I paid something like five euro for it. I'm looking forward to paying the same for DH2.

Currently I'm also playing Battlefield 1 and Overwatch, but these games don't really resonate well with me. BF is, well, more of the same BF. Fun if you play with friends, but since I don't... Overwatch looks nice, but I've played too much Team Fortress to enjoy this game casually.

So that leaves me with playing Civ6 or going back to CK2 or my old Football Manager 2015 save. I'm anticipating new DLC for Cities Skylines more than another game of Civ6.

Man, I sure whine a lot.

Yes, I'm not going to pay full price for Dishonored 2. IIRC, with all DLCs, Dishonored was $10 when I bought it. I'm still waiting on Fallout 4 GoTY and its discounted version.

Now, I just had a 10 hour blast with Far Cry Blood Dragon which you can get for free on UPlay. The game is so silly, it is actually funny. The color scheme sucks but otherwise, highly recommended, very enjoyable time waster. Extremely high ratings for this game are fully justified.

akots
18-11-2016, 05:36
... I hope they will patch Civ6 often enough so it will indeed then be a good game...

Judging from previous versions experiences, it takes up to the second expansion pack for Civ to actually become enjoyable. So, a year from now, I think I'll look at it again to maybe reconsider.