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Shabbaman
11-03-2011, 14:19
Anyone interested in Shogun2:Total War? I'm bored with civ5 and looking for a new strategy game.
I played a lot of Shogun1. Will wait for the game to come out and see what the reviews say.
grahamiam
11-03-2011, 19:41
I'm interested, but also note that Paradox is coming out with a similar game. I may go with the Paradox game due to my overall malaise towards Creative Assembly.
Can't say paradox has been the shining example of gaming brilliance lately. And for the 'games released with bugs award' they do give other notorious contenders a run for their money as well.
Played EU III and addons quite a bit though and I think it's a good game it's a shame however that the manuals that come with game are a huge pile of no use crap. So you're left to your own devices to figure out mechanics.
I won't buy Shogun2:TW. Havent finished RTW and addon yet. As long as that isnt done I'm not buying new TW games.
I've downloaded the demo but not played it yet. I think I'll wait for a while until the price comes down before I buy it.
Indeed, as ProPain said, Paradox has been quite lame lately. Not that they were totally brilliant in their better days... They mostly utilize their Russian branch for programming (1C company) which made a few reasonable titles but a host of very mediocre games.
I've also played a lot of Rome TW and liked it a lot. It is complex and very well balanced. Cannot say the same about Medieval TW. Have it, tried it and did not like it at all for some reason, mosly I guess poor strategic map design and too predictable battles. However, Napoleon TW was a very solid game IMO, very enjoyable. I played through the main campaign as France, Austria, England, and Russia and it was completely different experience in each case which was an unexpected pleasantry.
Shabbaman
12-03-2011, 08:41
I played the demo, it's actually pretty good. And it looks amazing. Not just quality graphics, but stylish as well.
Shabbaman
22-03-2011, 13:26
I'm close halfway my first campaign now. So far I'm having a lot of fun. Compared to previous TW titles you have to make harder choices. For instance, there's less space available in cities to build buildings, so you have to choose between a temple and a barracks. In turn this means it's harder to create a large army. You can also build only a single monk per temple, so you have less specialists as well. With less units you connect more to the units you have, and that suits my playing style.
I haven't encountered any strange bugs in combat yet. Pathfinding is still poor, so units need a lot of micro. Formations should make this easier, but I haven't figured these out completely. In theory it should make combat easier, but it just doesn't work how I think it works. What doesn't help is that instead of having a clear description the formations have names like Shitting Hamster.
Now I'm tempted to buy it, but I'll be strong and not add a game to my ever growing list of games. Maybe I have to burn my credit card......
What doesn't help is that instead of having a clear description the formations have names like Shitting Hamster.
ROFL, would be cool if you could make your own formations with custom names.
Shabbaman
23-03-2011, 11:50
Just try the demo, it's reasonably extensive. But I must say I like R:TW for the large number of different units. There aren't quirky ones like wardogs or burning pigs is Shogun 2.
A good custom name would be "use this, not the other ones you idiot". The japanese culture is full of symbology, but unfortunately it doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps the Swooping Crane is the symbol for "use this and get covered in shit, you idiot".
What are the chances a laptop will be able to run it?
Shabbaman
23-03-2011, 22:27
Depends on the laptop I guess... but there's a free demo on steam. Try it.
But then I have to install Steam, is there a Steam free demo?
barbu1977
24-03-2011, 03:11
Steam is free you spamer
@BCLG, why don't you wanna install Steam? I think it's one of the less invasive and really convenient DRM solutions out there.
Rik Meleet
24-03-2011, 08:48
I'm downloading the Demo.
Because it's still an additional program on my computer that serves no purpose other than as a means to get something else. Can i download it, install the game then uninstall steam?
Nope, you need steam to run the game. You don't have to run it when your not running the game though.
Hmmm, i just don't like the sound of that. Do they still make games without Steam?
Shabbaman
24-03-2011, 16:50
EA games does, but that doesn't speak for them. Steam is the DRM du jour. It's also awesome.
Well that sounds pooey, guess i'll just be sticking to my xbox
What I like best about Steam is that you can download your games any time any place. My HD decided to quit altogether 3 weeks ago, got a new one, installed steam, clicked the games I wanted installed and got a cup of coffee while Steam handled the rest. I love it.
And their sales aren't bad either.
I have a similar thing, it's called a CD wallet...
I've had to rebuy both Civ 3 and 4 due to CDs dying on me. Civ 4 I never got to work without deoderant due to the DRM. I was very sceptical about steam at first, new computer and I didn't want to install loads of DRM, but when it's not running, it's not running, no unnecessary drivers clogging up your system. Yes it's there in the background when you play the game, but if your worried about the resources steam uses then I really doubt that the newer games would run anyway. The biggest downside that I've found so far is that the sales are too good to resist. In my view if we have to have DRM on games then this is the best at the moment.
I totally agree with Furiey. My civ 3 PTW CD broke, I wrote an email to Infogrames/Atari and they basically told me to buy a new copy and suck it up. Thank you for being a loyal customer and not downloading the game illegally. Steam fixes this kind of bullshit.
The sales are another thing though. I love em a bit too much, just can't resist.
Rik Meleet
24-03-2011, 23:09
I played the demo, it's actually pretty good. And it looks amazing. Not just quality graphics, but stylish as well.I've never played (or even seen) a Total War game. I've got the demo and did part of the tutorial (about 1 hour of playtime now).
This looks like a real great fun game. It has a 1-more-turn feeling for me. I'm certainly going to play more and I might even buy the whole game.
Just started playing the demo. Oh dear, the cheapest I have found at the moment is £25.43 for the game on Amazon (tries to hide credit card)...
I enjoy the total war games and have played them almost as long as Civ. I don't always play out the battles though, mainly due to the time it takes, but now you can save part way through that excuse is gone. Mind you I still have Empire & Napolean to play through, I'll try to resist.
Shabbaman
25-03-2011, 09:20
I've never played (or even seen) a Total War game. I've got the demo and did part of the tutorial (about 1 hour of playtime now).
This looks like a real great fun game. It has a 1-more-turn feeling for me. I'm certainly going to play more and I might even buy the whole game.
You just missed out on the TW series sale. Rome: Total War was only 2,50... if you look in the discount bin of a toy store you might find the R:TW gold edition for that cheap.That game is the best so far in the series. Well, perhaps Shogun2 is better. It's hard to say, as the game is just... well... different. But if you have budget concerns I would heartily recommend R:TW!
What turns me off about previous TW games is that in the end I figure out that civ's campaign map (read: city management) is just a lot better. TW also lacks workers and terrain improvement. But Shogun2 is different in the way that it doesn't make sense just to build every building you have available. As a matter of fact, you couldn't do that even if you wanted to (due to building spot restrictions, which are coupled to palace size, which is coupled to food requirements). So this time around you actually have to plan in advance. There's a tech tree now as well. All this does make the game a lot slower, but stuff like that and the character building (rpg element)
only strengthens the importance of the units you do have. Previous TW games (from Rome to Med2 and Empire) only made the scale larger and larger.
Oh, and there's ninja's in it.
Ninjas and zombies. No game is complete without them!
RTW Gold is still only £4.99 on Steam so still far cheaper than Shogun.
No Ninjas or Zombies in it though.
Well it has wardogs, sort of ninja/zombie avant la lettre
Shabbaman
25-03-2011, 10:46
And burning pigs.
Rik Meleet
25-03-2011, 12:32
You just missed out on the TW series sale. Rome: Total War was only 2,50... if you look in the discount bin of a toy store you might find the R:TW gold edition for that cheap.That game is the best so far in the series. Well, perhaps Shogun2 is better. It's hard to say, as the game is just... well... different. But if you have budget concerns I would heartily recommend R:TW!
What turns me off about previous TW games is that in the end I figure out that civ's campaign map (read: city management) is just a lot better. TW also lacks workers and terrain improvement. But Shogun2 is different in the way that it doesn't make sense just to build every building you have available. As a matter of fact, you couldn't do that even if you wanted to (due to building spot restrictions, which are coupled to palace size, which is coupled to food requirements). So this time around you actually have to plan in advance. There's a tech tree now as well. All this does make the game a lot slower, but stuff like that and the character building (rpg element)
only strengthens the importance of the units you do have. Previous TW games (from Rome to Med2 and Empire) only made the scale larger and larger.
Oh, and there's ninja's in it.
First I'll be testing Shogun2 and see if I like it. If I do I'll look around for DEMO Rome TW as I do have budget concerns. If I like that as well I'll go for the cheapest TW.
OOOOHHH Ninja's... COOL
OOOOHHH Burning pigs ... COOL
Can't decide - can't decide
Never seen any burning pigs in RTW. Where do I find those?
Shabbaman
25-03-2011, 13:05
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mmm, don't think the WWF will approve but I guess they weren't around back then. Still it amazes me this hasn't caused some sort of public outcry. Usually some idealist will feel offended and phone the newspapers and their local representative.
Well if Ninjas don't float your boat you could always wait for the next game, announced today on Facebook: Dinosaurs: Total War! Coming Dec 31st 2012 ;)
Linky (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=207789545913800&set=a.131673663525389.21682.129543640405058&theater)
Shabbaman
01-04-2011, 15:05
Burning dinosaur ninja's? Sign me up!
Shabbaman
30-12-2011, 10:11
Shogun2 and it's DLC is on sale (-75%!) on Steam. The game is just 10 euro's, the DLC is practically free. Although the game doesn't have any dispensers ;) I endorse this game! Especially for that price...
Although I'm tempted as hell, I won't buy it. Still have the rest of the TW franchise to play and a crapton of other games.
IMO, Shogun 2 is not as good as Napoleon. Napoleon is still the best of the TW games. It is way more dynamic and is very well balanced despite huge difference in characteristics of individual units.
The main problem with Shogun as I see it is that the gameplay is quite monotonous. The dynamics is just not there, and the battles are very similar to each other, too similar, too low variety. This is understandable since all around you is Japanese... AI is not that dull however and sometimes can pack a very strong punch on higher difficulties. So, overall, the game is more challenging, the artwork is very nice, but the charm, balance, and overall playability is not there 100%.
Rome:TW however, was the best game in terms of strategic balance.
Shabbaman
30-12-2011, 22:16
Shogun2 is rock-paper-scissors all the way. The other TW's aren't that different, but when you have 23 types of rock that aren't as good against all 23 types of scissors your opponent might bring... In Shogun2 you keep the same army units around for the whole campaign. I like that, it's less of a "build enough stuff and smash head" game than the previous versions. In that aspect it's not stifling that the number of different units isn't that large.
I like R:TW better though.
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