Kingreno vs Propain 2***SPOILER***

[Kingreno]

After the first game failed to continue due to the new patch we decided to get a new one going. Aggie made us a map and we already played a couple of turns. I play the glorious Zulu, Propain is the Puny Chinese. PP moved his setler the first turn to get to his usual cowbonanza...I settled immediately, on a river, cow and wheat in first 9!
I will post a screeny of Zimbabwe soon.

[Kingreno]

turns 1 to 8. finished a scout, opened 2 empty huts with start scout. Not much happening yet.

[anarres]

Kingreno, I removed your avatar, since I removed the auto-size this one is the only one that is too big.

We can resize it for you if you wish, in the mean time please feel free to choose another one.

[Kingreno]

If you can resize it would be great. I cannot remember this being so "big" before...dunno what happened to it.

[anarres]

The avatars were all set to auto-size to 65x65 pixels. I removed the code to allow pics to retian their proper aspect ratio, as a result some were a little big...

[Kingreno]

I see, but can u make it fit? Or do I have to find a new one?

[anarres]

I can make it fit, tomorrow. I can also try to clean it up a bit.

You can also find a new one too if you want.

[Kingreno]

3- pop deserted hut

4- finish second scout

5- pop deserted hut....

8- pop deserted hut

9- pop deserted hut [cry] what is this...???

12- pop TWO deserted huts. FUCK.

13- meet the Greeks, they lack WC and Pottery which I give them for BW and some gold.[cool]

14- pop deserted hut[cry]

15- Zimbabwe is the topcity in the world. What are these clowns doing.[???]

16 - pop Masonry from a hut!!! I trade it to Greece with 1 gpt for 2 workers[goodjob]

17 - Zimbabwe will finish settler in one and then start on granary. The greeks are cautious. Beijing (PP) is still size one!!

[Skyfish]

quote:pop Masonry from a hut!!! I trade it to Greece with 1 gpt for 2 workers

[mouth] What ????? [mouth]

You gotta be fucking joking ! Cant tell you why but this is really funny... [lol]

[Kingreno]

The game progresses slowly but steadily. PP and I both did NOT know we had raging barbs!! My first settler had to redirect...also I had no defences at all so my second city has been pillaged twice...
On the good news, a barb conscript defeated a nearby hoplite. my scouts thusfar managed to evade all barbs.

[Kingreno]

The game is almost at turn 40 now and the situation looks terible. It has been an uphill strugle all the time with barbs all over the place. All my scouts are dead, along with 3 fine warriors. Expansionist sucks with raging barbs, but as said I did not know that. My current situation.[sad]


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As can be seen a barb (known to us only as the hittite-horror) is south of the capitol. He has killed 2 scouts, a worker(greek) and 2 warriors. Futile attempts to kill the nest west of ulundi failed. our warrior there lost too. I now have just one fortified warrior left who protects a worker. In the pic there are two warriors on the worker but in the interturn one gets killed[cry].
Two other barb encampments are nearby. One to the north of zimbabwe and one further east. I hoped greeks would help me out but alex is building defence, wonders and settlers.
I know PP has sort off the same trouble but with me failing to exploit my expansionist trait I give him an advantage over this so unwelcome raging barbs thing. [aargh]

[Aggie]

[eek] Bad, really bad [eek]

[Kingreno]

I am now even on barb killing and Impi's are slowly getting the upperhand in most battles. Though some horsemen STILL get trough. It has resulted in several promotions however[coool]
An overview of the lands:



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I am alone with the Greeks on an island[cry]
But that does not matter. In my game against killer I also have a nice scientific pet. uhm...that is not deity though[crazyeye]

The Demographics of turn 63:


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for now: Clean island of barbs. get iron working. attack the Geeks.

[Skyfish]

Good job handling those nasty barbs [thumbsup]

..and watch out for those Uprisings [lol]

[Kingreno]

PP and I have met![:o]
It happened in his turn and somehow he did not get any MA's up...
I am many many techs behind.[sad]
He is on an island with the Koreans who are the top dog by score. Koreans do not have Hoplites however.
In my turn I set up the Koreans against him, though I fear he is more then ready for them.

[Kingreno]

I bought MM from Greece and plan a small landing on PP's turf. I deem this is possible because there is a Korean City on our Island. In the meanwhile I am desperately settling the land in hope to get full fill before the barb uprisings. It required severe limitations on defence and very heave setler escorting. Luckily my main Impi force is now Elite and can take some punches![nuke]
My aggresive Greece neighbour has also declared war on PP but I fear it will not be that important. PP is hammering the Koreans.[sad]
HOWEVER:
I buy the WM from my Korean friends and it shows:



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Even though PP is beating Wanker, he has almost HALF my number of cities! Also, his land is a bit smaller, which in the long run (not that there'll be one[cool]) will not help him.
Compare his Empire to mine:


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I have Rax in all producing cities and am pumping out Impi's and warriors. My Coastals are doing galleys! As can be seen, there is no risk in landing some units near PP's Capitol![evil]
He has no MM yet so speed is of essence!


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[Skyfish]

Looks good [coool]
Minimap please!

[Kingreno]

@Sky: Sure


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Uhm...plans have changed.
PP has bought the Greeks and the Romans against me[aargh]
Both have their UU ready and both UU's have 3 defence, my horses will die in vain.[fdevil]
Or not. I have entered my GA and have 20 impies sowing dissent at
the Greco-zulu border while my core is doing swords. The Navy in the meantime is keeping Ceasars galleys away.
It is realy turning into a bloody mess. PP has managed to get Seoul and Wanker is bye bye soon (Est 25 turns incl a stickypoint peacetreaty). The fucker also got a leader.[cry]
But I do feel he deserved it.

Techwise...I am the only one in the Ancient era with Cur and Con lacking our not so filled shelves. PP has probably one MA tech. On the bright side I will soon be able to bring my income to 70 gpt and my lands tell me that a few markets will bring that to 100+.

Also, In the demographs I am doing great even before the GA!


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[Skyfish]

So its a Despot GA ? [lol]

He "deserves it" ? What kinda pussy ass attitude is that man ? KILL KILL KILL !
Nobody "deserves" a leader Dude [mad3]

[col]

Impis are awesome as pillagers. With good defnce and two moves they can cripple any civ without takinga single city. If you can get any into PPs land, it would set him back a long way.

[Kingreno]

And so it begins. Operation "Foo yong Hai" was given green light by our magnificent leader. Zulu forces boarded their ships in numbers as as second group made its way trough Greek lands to eventually meet up on the southern tip of our island.
We are still in our golden age and have decided to live that in our beloved goverment, namely despotism. We simply have too many gold per turn deals to be able to pay for it in Anarchy and we wish not to lose our fine reputation!
But first things first. Mister ProPain has himself in quite the situation. His Korean neighbours are almost dead and keep sending archers at him thus giving him nothing but leadermeat. That resulted in at least the Great Library and probably a FP too.
Wankers land is slowly shrinking and as our estimates tell us it will soon be reduced to a single city on our own continent, if he does not get that in the peace treaty.[rant]
PP's very bad attitude towards korean and zulu people has however made the rest of teh world very clear that PP is that bad guy:


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In the interturn, India signed an MA with Germany agaisnt PP too!:D This sounds unimportant but India has teh lighthouse and actually can reach him in 2 turns as can be seen on this Minimap:


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I really hope that the Greeks and the Indians land some forces on his turf. PP will have at least some trouble because:[fdevil]


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Now for opperation "Foo yong Hi":


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Above left a fleet of 5 galleys can be seen. They hold 3 horses and 7 impis, 3 elite. In 5 turns they will land 2 squares from Beijing. IF PP's anarchy is 6 turns he will have no time to buy troops. If it is less, he will not see the fleet (we have stealth[hmm]) and will not be able to buy reinforcements too.
Tech wise, his best defender will be a spear, so even offensive impi are an option, but first things first: getting there...
He will probably not be able to see my fleet from in'chon but it is possible he has some units on Korean turf, though I doubt it. This is because he would and should go for their capitol first, since it has culture and will not be razed. However, we are by no means certain. If PP does see the fleet he will block the squares around beijing with units...[aargh]
The purple lines indicate a second force. I will have 8 units ready on the southern tip of the island, 5 impi and 3 horses, their target will depend on the succes of the frist wave. If the first strike fails, where I mean beijing does not fall, I will pillage the shit out of him, though this would realy be a serious disapointment. The green lines are therefore just a theoeticel situation. Xinjan holds the lib so that owuld be an awesome target![eek]
For real satisfaction, 8 swords are also slowly going south (alex has roaded as if he were on chieftan![aargh])

There is also bad news though. I had made peace with the Greeks all for this opperation and last turn a hopi/sword combo entered my land without reason...that would screw up things, I need that RoP! I have a lux deal as well with him, so I pray I can keep his troops at bay. For safety I have send a few impi to is iron and horses.[ponder]

[Skyfish]

Great Plan !
Indeed the only problem could well be Alex because even if you cant raze Beijing the pillaging tactic is very efficient and would deal a huge blow to him (see my game vs DrA for proof ;))
[goodjob]

[col]

An efficient pillage will collapse a civ pretty quickly when most of the food and shields disappear. Once the road network goes, cities riot because of the lack of lux. At the same time, income drops too.Impis are awesome pillagers. 2 move and 2 defence make them incredibly difficult to drive away. I wouldnt even bother trying to take any cities.

[Kingreno]

***HOT NEWS***

On the littery beaches near Beijing we have established A BEACHHEAD:



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In 5 turns these brave men will join the party:



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The Greek "invasionforce"::D



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PP is still in ANARCHY!!!!

[anarres]

I can't imagine PP suriving this, unless he has plenty of troops around as MP. Even then he will get pillaged back to the stone age...

[Skyfish]

I heard Bijing did not fall...looks like PP is not doing bad at all even [eek]
Report please !

[Kingreno]

Scattered reports comming in:

The beachhead survived but after a peek in the FOW Beijing had a vet Pike defending.[sad]
Therefore the "melee" order was given and immediately the horse, mined grass, mined cow were pillaged. Chinese forces quickly closed in on the now fortified impi and many losses on both sides.
A turn later the irrigated cow was also pillaged and 2 workers were slaughtered! The next turn all my forces were destroyed![:o]
PP upgraded all his warriors to MI...
However, a second wave will land in the korean lands next turn!

[Kingreno]

I conceded!

I lost much fun and the game progressed about a turn a week and that was my fault. I was very annoyed with the RNG and after 40+ elite vics for me without a leader, and PP's 4...and thus the wonders with them, I see no chances for me. The greeks are very strong and PP has notjing in his way to land a load of Riders on my land.
I believe he would not have succeeded in conquering my lands, but with both Leo's and sun tzu he would need only half of his reesources devoted to our war, while the rest can build infra.
PP played well, and took care of the Koreans well. I played like shit.

However, since this was my first PBEM started an age ago, I enjoyed the first 110 turns a lot.

And for those of you who said that pillaging was better then an attack on Beijing...I went back and played turn 119:[cry]

[cry]

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Congrats PP.[goodjob]

[Skyfish]

[eek]

KingReno am disappointed in you :(

On a sidenote, I dont understand your remark about attacking Beijing, look at my comment on this :
quote:even if you cant raze Beijing the pillaging tactic is very efficient

Re-reading the spoiler quickly I cant find a psot where somebody tells you NOT to raze Beijing, here is
another remark I made which substantiates the fact that I was sure your plan was to raze Beijing :
quote:I heard Beijing did not fall...looks like PP is not doing bad at all even [eek]

So am really surprised and can imagine you are a bit bitter about not having attacked as soon as you could :(
Poor KR [cry]

[Swingue]

Well too bad, this is the end of an entertaining game.
I've heard most from one side: Propain's but watched your thread now and then.
You were close beating the shit out of him, now he is sitting opposite of me with a big smile

Better luck next time

[Skyfish]

quote:now he is sitting opposite of me with a big smile
I feel your pain [:o)]