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Lt. Killer M
27-03-2009, 14:05
I guess by now all posters at CDZ know about the drive religious extremists in the US have been organizing to undermine the US constitution and create a theocratic country.

no, I am not exaggerating, they really demand that the government runs the country (union, state, and community) on the basis of religious conviction. This includes many aspects, e.g. defense policies, but is at this time mainly a drive to bring religion into the classroom, especially science class.

The creationist movement has developed a strategy that aims at hiding their religious motives behind a smoke-screen of pseudo-science, called 'Intelligent Design'. Although the main proponent, Mr. Dembski, admitted in court and under oath that his hypothesis was not significantly different from Christian creationism, it is still being applied a lot.

A second smoke-screen is 'teach the controversy', combined with 'don't censor science'. The first implies that there is a controversy, which is simply untrue, the second tries to turn the facts on their head by pretending that science censors itself for the sake of keeping out religiously motivated science. Interestingly, they proponents always leave out the inconvenient fact that religiously motivated science either fails to adhere to scientific standards, or supports evolution, not creationism. Therefore, we can conclude that this is not a matter of facts, but of rhetorical devices to further an agenda. An agenda, I may add, that is apparently without any factual merit - otherwise, why is it not being presented?


The latest instance of this lunacy is currently occurring in Texas. The Texas State Board of Education upheld a long overdue change in policy, by a marginal 7:7 vote LINK (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/education/stories/032609dntexevolution.72be216f.html), not to retain the so-called "strength and weaknesses" curriculum rule, that mandates teaching about the supposed strength and weaknesses of any scientific theory. However, fair as this may sound, in fact the rule was never applied to anything but evolution. No teacher was ever forced to debate 'weaknesses' in the theory of gravity, nor was electricity questioned. Rather, the 'weaknesses' to be discussed were exclusively the creationists' arguments against evolution.


I am glad that the board managed to uphold the change, but quite shocked how blatantly ignorant and deceitful people are members of such boards in the US. Seven people were FOR keeping the rule, despite the huge amount of evidence that
- evolution is a sound scientific theory
- creationism is not a scientific theory
- the criticism brought for about evolution is religiously motivated and plain counterfactual
- creationism in school is unconstitutional (ruling Kitzmiller vs. Dover, e.g.)
I can only conclude that not only the head of the board, Don McLeroy, is pushing his personal religious agenda, but that all other six are doing that, too. How can such overtly intolerant and unqualified people get such positions?

barbu1977
27-03-2009, 14:28
For those who understand french, here is a radio clip from Radio-Canada where the reporter interviews and speaks about how evolution is simply not teached in the souther states.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/audio-video/pop.shtml#urlMedia%3D/Medianet/2009/CBF/LesAnneeslumiere200902081305_3.asx

socralynnek
27-03-2009, 14:33
Your first three passages are a great summarize of what this "discussion" is all about, killer.

(Actually I mean passages 2-4, but you get the picture)

Lt. Killer M
27-03-2009, 14:39
For those who understand french, here is a radio clip from Radio-Canada where the reporter interviews and speaks about how evolution is simply not teached in the souther states.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/audio-video/pop.shtml#urlMedia%3D/Medianet/2009/CBF/LesAnneeslumiere200902081305_3.asx


:( my french is not up to that.

Your first three passages are a great summarize of what this "discussion" is all about, killer.

Thanks! I feel that too many scientists are too quiet about this.

Shabbaman
27-03-2009, 14:50
Somehow I thought this would be a topic about Mauer. I'm hugely disappointed ;)

Darkness
27-03-2009, 15:11
I once attented a lecture by the chairperson of the US education advisory committee (IIRC) where she spoke about this exact same thing (just about a case in Pensylvania instead of Texas). Very good lecture. It was at a scientific convention, so fairly science-driven...

Her "take-home" message?:
What do you answer when someone asks you if you believe in evolution or creationism (or intelligent design or whatever moniker you want to assign to the same theory)?
You answer: "Neither, because at least for evolution, belief is not required..."

Lt. Killer M
27-03-2009, 15:14
What do you answer when someone asks you if you believe in evolution or creationism (or intelligent design or whatever moniker you want to assign to the same theory)?
You answer: "Neither, because at least for evolution, belief is not required..."

Yup, but that's something that many faith driven people do not seem to understand.

it is, I must admit, intellectually beyond me how people can actually be convinced that belief and knowledge based on evidence are the same thing :confused:

Lt. Killer M
27-03-2009, 20:33
The news from Texas is not as good as it first sounded. The creationists fight back with a lot of weird amendments. But hey, at least this poll looks good:


http://www.kbtx.com/

How do you think science should be taught in Texas schools?

Evolution only - 86.03%
Creationism only - 3.86%
Combination of both - 10.12%
Total Responses - 4952

PHEW!


here, the link name says it all:
http://tfnblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/mcleroy-lets-the-cat-out-of-the-bag/

The purpose of his amendments is to cause kids to question the validity of the “two key parts of the great claim of evolution, which is common ancestry by unguided natural processes.” McLeroy - and by extension those who voted to support this amendment - want to convince students that evolution is not true.

And can we ask, if the natural process is not “unguided,” then who is guiding it?


in other news, Florida is still competeing for 'most moronic state in the US':

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar/27/271302/evolution-bill-quietly-filed-state-senate/

grahamiam
27-03-2009, 21:56
in other news, Florida is still competeing for 'most moronic state in the US':

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/mar/27/271302/evolution-bill-quietly-filed-state-senate/
Actually, Florida won that award a long, long time ago.

barbu1977
28-03-2009, 01:38
Actually, Florida won that award a long, long time ago.

Before the 2000 presidential election?

grahamiam
28-03-2009, 15:29
Before the 2000 presidential election?
Oh yes, well before then. They have had one of the worst school systems for decades now.