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Based on a Fractal Map the Cut the Crap Pitboss has started. The 11 players are:
01. Plux - Egypt
02. BCLG100 - Mongolia
03. NHJ - Arabia
04. socralynnek - Carthage
05. akots - Korea
06. Nitro - Viking
07. Matrix - England
08. Beam - Holy Roman Empire
09. barbu1977 - America
10. Robi D - Japan
11. IanDC - Sumeria
City razing is off as is tech trading.
Some details of the game can be seen here so happy lurking!
http://www.civstats.com/viewgame.php?gameid=1115
Password to register your leader is abc.
The theme:
http://www.civduelzone.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=40&stc=1&d=1224012600
Essential info for playing:
How to log in:
- Start Civ4 - BtS
- Go to Multiplayer --> Direct IP Connection
- Fill in your nickname for Player Name and 83.161.37.29 OR haagsma.demon.nl OR beam.linuxhome.com (whatever suits your ruined brain best ;) ) for Network Address and click Connect.
- Select your civilization and click Ok.
- Choose a password and fill it in twice. Next time, it will ask for the same password. (No shit! )
- Play!
- Exit to menu when you're done! The connection doesn't close properly when you exit the game directly, resulting in the game going slower and slower every time someone does that. In effect I would have to save and reload the game every turn.
When you leave the game always use "Exit to Main Menu!"
I suspect that "Exit to Desktop" does not close your connection properly and leaves some components of an Active Peer.
The doublemove rule in this game:
Doublemoves are allowed in all cases except when accompanied by a declaration of war. In that case the declaring player is not allowed any offensive action against declared player until either:
a) 18 hours after end of the turn where war is declared.
b) the declared player logs in after end of the turn where war is declared.
The declaration of war itself still allows units of the declaring player offensive actions against the declared player in the turn where war is declared.
Excellent!! Thanks for hosting!
Here's an easy to use program to log into a Pitboss game automatically:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=172459
Not useful for logging in the first time.
That doesn't work for BtS, does it?
And will you be using beam.homelinux.com again?
Excellent!! Thanks for hosting!
That doesn't work for BtS, does it?
And will you be using beam.homelinux.com again?
Mwaah, removed that piece.
beam.homelinux.com seems to be inactive. Where again can I go to reactivate or ask for a new one?
Please switch me with RobiD. :)
beam.homelinux.com seems to be inactive. Where again can I go to reactivate or ask for a new one?
www.dyndns.com
www.dyndns.com
Matrix, or somebody else can you please test if beam.linuxhome.com is up and running again? Connecting to the Pitboss will do. :)
I'll check when I get home.
BTW, Beam, in your signature, the links are crooked, please correct.
First turn played! Thanks for hosting, Beam.
Please switch me with RobiD. :)
Ok done:)
America is yours.
Thanks for hosting Beam[goodjob]
barbu1977
15-10-2008, 16:48
Played and ready to kick but!
All but two have played and I have PM'ed IanDC and Plux to kick their asses.
Imo we should keep the clock ticking and go next turn in about 4 hours.
Well, neither Plux nor IanDC claimed their civs. Shouldn't we wait? Or just proceed?
Yeah, I'd hate to waste another turn on the unclaimed civs. What we can do is consider them vacancies and look for 2 additional players. Meantime I can put them to AI just before the end of this turn if there are no takers. The AI will most likely settle and go researching Archery at this stage.
OK with that or another option?
socralynnek
16-10-2008, 11:00
The other option is to pause the game. Once Ian and Plux have logged in, the game can go on. I am fine with giving them, let's say another day or so. I mean, the game will surely take some months anyway, so stopping it for a day would be no problem for me.
I'm with socralynnek. Better wait a day rather than waste two civs.
Plux has jsut claimed so we are waiting for IanDC whom I've also send a PM and e-mail thru that other site.
Got the e-mail thanks - I'm in.
Got the e-mail thanks - I'm in.
:cool:
Why are we always wanting on Simon. [rant] ;)
Updated the first post with two alternate aliases you can use to connect to the game. :)
The game has just been restarted. Please pick your new civ in the first post. :)
Done, Al-Nicodemad of Arabia has played his first turn. Starting position is much improved!
Starting position is much improved!
Holy Beam seconds that.
Many thanks Mauer! [goodjob]
My starting position is somewhat the same, although surroundings have improved, as far as I can tell.
My starting position is somewhat the same, although surroundings have improved, as far as I can tell.
I think it will all work out. If not, I did my best to balance things out :)
I know this map has probably 2X or 3X more bonuses (of all kinds) on the map than the last one did. Should be fun and I actually wish I was playing it. Would have been even better that I know the map :D
Yeah, you may have made it to the AD's or something kerazy like that! ;)
Claimed the cursed Koreans. Starting location is quite nice but the leader sucks.
I was going to ask for a swap since i've just finished an epic SP game with Japan, but everyone else had already claimed their civs.
Have to say my start is slightly worse then the other game, but the surroundings (what i can see) look more promising then before.
I'm convinced that you can't please everybody even some of the time ;)
Yes, it is part of the game. May be if you complain, the random becomes more favorable. That is a strong belief among many however unsupported by actual observation. [lol]
Ooh yeah, Islam is mine :cool:
Simon worried me a bit but he resurrected today.
woop moved up off bottom place!
just so that everybody knows.. Stapel will be playing my turns untill monday or tuesday (I hope).. Any diplo or complaints about my massive lead :-P will go through him..
just so that everybody knows.. Stapel will be playing my turns untill monday or tuesday (I hope).. Any diplo or complaints about my massive lead :-P will go through him..
All I need is a password..............
All I need is a password..............
Blehhhhh, the new forum doesn't notify new mails as I supposed it would....
I can't connect, think the game is down.
I'll be home in a few hours, made a save this morning.
It wierd it connect to the game but then tries to connect to peer even though no ones logged in for the last 7 hours.
Would be good for the clock to be wound back a bit since i'm off to bed:)
System rebooted and we are up and running again. The save I used was from this morning (09:00 CET) and it will be about 13 hours until next turn. Guess that's enough for Oz.
When you leave the game always use "Exit to Main Menu!"
I suspect that "Exit to Desktop" does not close your connection properly and leaves some components of an Active Peer.
On another note. Worst rival in Pop only has 2000? [scratch]
it was giving me the whole firewall blocking yada so i assume thats why.
About the 2k beam i'd check the civstats to see who's been whipping :)
barbu1977
13-11-2008, 19:27
On another note. Worst rival in Pop only has 2000? [scratch]
I think those would be the barbs.
I think those would be the barbs.
Whipping = Barbaric then? [lol]
On another note. Worst rival in Pop only has 2000? [scratch]
That might be the last one in score. Which is me as it is now. But I plan on catching up soon.
The save I used was from this morning (09:00 CET) and it will be about 13 hours until next turn. Guess that's enough for Oz.Thanks[goodjob]
I can't connect, think the game is down.
Probably my fault.
Sorry, I hadnt played pitboss for a while. I was logged in all day....
Probably my fault.
Sorry, I hadnt played pitboss for a while. I was logged in all day....
That could explain the ghost peer Robi and me had....
Did babru really manage to log in and end his turn three times?
barbu1977
16-11-2008, 18:25
weird, I thought I ended my turn 6 times but the system only recorded 3!
It must have been a clock issue since I was not logged in for more than 5 minutes.
I'm loving how its ever so closely alphabetical order at the top! its been alternating each turn but the best theres been is 3 out of 4!
I'm loving how its ever so closely alphabetical order at the top! its been alternating each turn but the best theres been is 3 out of 4!
Robi take care, you seem to be targeted. Maybe change name to Bori? ;)
I've changed my routers port settings cause I kept been thrown out of the game when another memember was connecting.
Please reply if you have problems connecting to the game.
barbu1977
03-12-2008, 21:49
Robi take care, you seem to be targeted. Maybe change name to Bori? ;)
4/4
not alphabetical just yet though!
you need to swap with bramzinho and beam needs to then swap with him!
Yea, let's all work on that! http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/crazyeyes.gif
akots is well out of position then, maybe we should all slow down to let him catch up:p
It does not look good, it does not at all.
You would have noticed anyway but CivStats seems to be down atm. Still an amazing service given the little support attention it gets.
I'm surprised it still works at all. OverloadUT hasn't done anything with it since before Beyond The Sword is out!
barbu1977
16-12-2008, 04:28
Any stoppage during the holidays?
I'm gone from the 20 to the 29th.
socralynnek
16-12-2008, 09:08
I am gone from 23rd or 24th to 28th. And then again from 31st to 1st of Jan. So at the current stage I am fine with setting orders or with stopping. But AFAICS, there might be some wars going, so I guess it might be better if we stop.
I'll be away some days around Xmas and around Newyear.
It makes sense to stop or slow the game during the holidays, are there more ppl being away or is it just the three of us? What days?
I can play whenever but would not be against a stoppage.
barbu1977
17-12-2008, 00:42
BTW, I could setup orders if I'm not going to be attacked... But again, we have barbs running around by so I guess 3-4 turns is the most I could live without.
I can play, no problem. Maybe we could slow it down a bit, or have a Christmas armistice :)
I can play whenever but would not be against a stoppage.
x2
Well, I've logged in, played part of the turn and then game froze on me. I was though able to exit normally through main menu. Not sure what is going on with the server but it does not show I'm logged out or finished turn.
I couldn't connect when I tried just now - not that I had anything to do really.
Yes, now it were OK, but I had 6 workers in build order, shows my desperate mouse clicking trying to change builds. :lol:
Unless anyone has neglected to mention it, this game has its first war[party]
[medic]
ian and akots have been at war for awhile. Not too sure if they still are.
ian and akots have been at war for awhile. Not too sure if they still are.
yet they pansy about with each other in texas holdem:rolleyes:
go figure:p
Unless anyone has neglected to mention it, this game has its first war[party]
[medic]
Bring it.
barbu1977
20-12-2008, 19:32
So I'm off to Prague untill the 29th. I've AI'd my civ, please be nice to the stupid AI.
Atm I'm considering to suspend the game around the 25th and 26th and around New Years day.
Barbu, what's your guestimate for the number of Archers by the time you're back? ;)
yet they pansy about with each other in texas holdem:rolleyes:
go figure:p
It's never personal. It is a different game, in one can be ally to the grave and in another, the worst enemy. Situation dictates.
barbu1977
20-12-2008, 21:04
Atm I'm considering to suspend the game around the 25th and 26th and around New Years day.
Barbu, what's your guestimate for the number of Archers by the time you're back? ;)
I've set build queues, I hope the AI will follow them!
Atm I'm considering to suspend the game around the 25th and 26th and around New Years day.
Barbu, what's your guestimate for the number of Archers by the time you're back? ;)
If we are going to be stopping the game for a few days around christmas, then a few days around new years then we might as well just stop it for the whole week in between. A couple of extra days wont make any real difference and is less confusing
I agree. (Although I don't mind continuing) I think it's best to pause the game from December 24th till January 2nd.
That works for me, though i don't mind playing it'll probably be best for those at war if we just have the week off.
Nitro e-mailed me: he needs someone to replace him, because he's too busy and feeling well either. Anyone who'd like to step in? Otherwise I think I'll ask Shabbaman, because he has seen Nitro's spoiler. (And hopefully no more.) I have his password, by the way. [satan]
I agree. (Although I don't mind continuing) I think it's best to pause the game from December 24th till January 2nd.
x2. I'll stop the game 24 December in the evening and restart somewhere on the 2nd of January.
Did you find a sub / replacement for Nitro? Maybe a post in Opponent finding will help?
Game suspended, back on-line in the New Year.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :)
I left nitro/nitros account a christmas present! :)
Have a good christmas everyone :)
so when is the game coming up again??
happy NY every1!!
Back in the air.
Happy NY everybody!
Whoah, what happened to Nitro?
Kicked to AI, I presume. He doesn't have time to play.
Correction: Eliminated my BCLG100, apparently! :eek:
CivStats has been down most of the day now.
Currently the turnclock is at 8:45 to go.
Just to tell you guys that my invasion of Nitro had been planned long before he went to AI and the effect would have probably been the same except i may have lost a couple more units. I delayed slightly to see if a sub could be found without giving away my intentions (hence me not saying anything about it) but in the end found i could no longer wait. My apologies if it appears i was taking advantage of the situation but that was not my intention :)
That's ok. Even if you were trying to take advantage of the situation, we couldn't expect you to do anything else.
I'm not sure how this is relevant, but Plux did not login to the game for quite some time now. Is there a need for a sub or a switch to AI?
That's quite remarkable. As tention has risen the last couple of turns, you wouldn't expect him to forget about this game.
We could ask Stapel to fill in.
I haven't been able to login since my laptop (my only system) at home does not boot anymore for some reason, and I haven't been able to make it work again. I'll ask Stapel to fill in for me for the time being..
I haven't been able to login since my laptop (my only system) at home does not boot anymore for some reason, and I haven't been able to make it work again. I'll ask Stapel to fill in for me for the time being..
I've filled the spot!
is this a permanent or a temporary change out of interest?
you can count on it that it'll take a while (a couple of weeks) before I have things back in working order again, so you'll be stuck with Stapel for a while :)
Pyramids in Mongolia? Always thought them to be an Egyptian thing! ;)
Equally ironic that i'd have built the Great Wall...
Looks like the end will soon be here for Sumeria.
It was fun early on, developed into one of those games where everything hinged on a single combat that decided the fate of the nation. Fortunes of war.
gg all - let me know when the next one starts, I'll be interested.
Looks like the end will soon be here for Sumeria.
It was fun early on, developed into one of those games where everything hinged on a single combat that decided the fate of the nation. Fortunes of war.
gg all - let me know when the next one starts, I'll be interested.
Did you maintain a spoiler or would mind to write one about this game? We really like spoilers here! Not that I hope to be allowed to read it in the near future btw. ;)
Looks like the end will soon be here for Sumeria. ...
There is still a few turns to go, at least 5 and up to 8. It was a hard job chopping through all these hordes of archers of yours, a really bloody job.
socralynnek
31-01-2009, 02:07
I am away until Feb 10. Shabba is subbing for me until then.
Because I was last, I finished the new turn as well, but I didn't DM you, Stapel. Hope you don't mind. (We have a no-DM deal.)
Because I was last, I finished the new turn as well, but I didn't DM you, Stapel. Hope you don't mind. (We have a no-DM deal.)
Well, I trust you didn't DM! But your remark suggests you did make an aggresive move :) . I'll see tonight what futile moves you came up with this time ;) .
Nothing like a bit of trash talk to liven things up:)
Ye, hear me, go kill him (or them), it is a crowded map, let the blood flow! [rocket] [plasma] [rifle] [mgun] [shoot]
[hammer] [hammer] [hammer]
Blood has flown alright...
Well we've got rid of two folk on our continent, your continent needs to get a move on!
I thought it were a pangea map. [lol] Need to pay attention to details and work out the strategy. Good thing somebody noticed. [lol]
Blood has flown alright...
And more blood shall flow! As president of the new foundation "Say NO to Hoogezand", I'm quite happy to announce so!
Oh, razing cities is off. So now I own Hoogezand.....
Server's down.
Does this mean I have to take Hoogezand again?
Does this mean I have to take Hoogezand again?
Games up and you don't. But then again you didn't want it in the first place, so you might have been happy to untake it
Games up and you don't. But then again you didn't want it in the first place, so you might have been happy to untake it
Yeah, not even once did I think about keeping that city........ Quite a shocker to not see the pop up screen, suggesting to raze it.
Anyway, I guess it would have been against the spirit of the game to act differently, if I would have to play the same turn again.
Luckily I made a save this morning. Will be home in a few hours for a reboot.
The server's not down, but Civstats is disconnected. I could log in fine.
I'm rebooting now anyway cause it has been running since early Jan. :)
Whoops. That'll teach me not to make posts early in the morning :p
Can you please explain the relation between 9:20 and early in the morning? ;)
You could have played your turn twice if I'm not mistaken btw...
Can you please explain the relation between 9:20 and early in the morning? ;)
Indeed!
Due to the no-DM agreements I have with Robi and Matrix, I have to PLAY (not post) every morning around 7. I can assure you this causes some minor mistakes.
Indeed!
Due to the no-DM agreements I have with Robi and Matrix, I have to PLAY (not post) every morning around 7. I can assure you this causes some minor mistakes.
Sure blame the early morning for poor play:p
Bas, since when is 7 AM early for you? I remember times when we were the only ones active at MSN on Sunday morning 7 AM...
Can you please explain the relation between 9:20 and early in the morning? ;)
Student life.
Indeed!
Due to the no-DM agreements I have with Robi and Matrix, I have to PLAY (not post) every morning around 7. I can assure you this causes some minor mistakes.
The turn shifted today. So now the new turns starts in the afternoon. But we can wait till you've played...
What about this DM rule? Any different from the standard rule? Secret?
Each turn, Robi and I wait for Stapel to play.
So the rule is Stapel must play first, has to do this before 7 AM and you and Robi can simply wait and have a good rest. [rotfl]
Sounds like a comfy agreement! Bas sure hates DM.
When can I join the agreement btw? ;)
Well, if he'd decide to play after work, I wouldn't mind. Basically that's what will happen now, since he probably won't be able/allowed to play at work.
Does the game have a standard DM rule out of interest?
So the rule is Stapel must play first, has to do this before 7 AM and you and Robi can simply wait and have a good rest. [rotfl]
Sounds like a comfy agreement! Bas sure hates DM.
When can I join the agreement btw? ;)
Bas playing early has to do with the time zone difference between us. I end up playing my turn either just before going to bed or early in the morning before work
Bas, since when is 7 AM early for you? I remember times when we were the only ones active at MSN on Sunday morning 7 AM...
I still get up earlier in the weekends to play CiV [:)] . Interested in game, Aggie? Or does family life rule your schedule?
Does the game have a standard DM rule out of interest?
I haven't checked, but usually there is only a standard restriction in the turn where war is actually declared.
The turn shifted today. So now the new turns starts in the afternoon. But we can wait till you've played...
I hadn't noticed yet. Of course I am fine with playing in the evening.
Does the game have a standard DM rule out of interest?
The standard rule is in the first post of this thread.
Merry Birth of Christ all.
Stapel is a very active sub! [charge]
Stapel is a very active sub! [charge]
True, but how would you know?
We can see civstats points changing :)
I still get up earlier in the weekends to play CiV [:)] . Interested in game, Aggie? Or does family life rule your schedule?
I hardly have time left for anything besides family and work. Game time is filled with hattrick, which luckily requires less lime [:)] I haven't played a game of civ for 3.5 years.........
As of 500AD, the Caliphate hereby declares war upon both the nation of Groningen and their allies, the Japanese Federation.
Shabbaman
04-03-2009, 09:07
What, a game where NHJ isn't matrix' bitch? Now that's a plot twist [whipped]
What, a game where NHJ isn't matrix' bitch? Now that's a plot twist [whipped]
It's all about picking the right allies!
Right before Plux asked me to take over, he had cancelled the deal between him and Matrix. Fair enough, but it wasn't anticipated that Robi's Japenese would team up with Matrix' Groningers. From that moment (somewhere between 1000 and 500 BC??), I have fought some bloody battles with both Matrix and Robi. What I only learnt later, is that NHJ was effectively out of this war, until 500 AD, due to a nasty "Friedendiktat", forced on him by Matrix and Robi.
But now it is 500 AD. Beware for the Stapel-NHJ juggernauth!
Will Matrix make it to 700 AD? Or won't he? The cities of Groningen, Hoogezand and Appingedam have already been added to the Egyptian empire!
What I only learnt later, is that NHJ was effectively out of this war, until 500 AD, due to a nasty "Friedendiktat", forced on him by Matrix and Robi.
WTF is friedendiktat:confused: I don't recall forcing anything on him so i can't have forced that.
I might live another turn, but certainly no more!
What, a game where NHJ isn't matrix' bitch? Now that's a plot twist [whipped]
You draw a general statistical conclusion from one case? :rolleyes:
But you're right! NHJ, kneel for me, bitch! [evil]
By the way, apologies for not keeping my spoiler up to date...
WTF is friedendiktat:confused: I don't recall forcing anything on him so i can't have forced that.
Frieden is German for Peace. Diktat is German for "what is dictated". The correct word is Friedensdiktat, btw. It is used in Germany for the 1919 peace of Versailles, which was simply a peace deal the Germans had to accept. In Dutch history books, the word is usually not translated.
Anyway, when it became clear that I was facing 2 enemies, I have contacted NHJ. He told me that he was engaged in a war with both you and Matrix earlier, and that the resulting peace deal involved peace until 500AD. Admittedly, I made it up that this was forced on him. However, it must be said it was quite a convinience for you that I wasn't able to get any help, soon.
By the way, apologies for not keeping my spoiler up to date...
It appears Plux never made one, so I never continued it.......
Frieden is German for Peace. Diktat is German for "what is dictated". The correct word is Friedensdiktat, btw. It is used in Germany for the 1919 peace of Versailles, which was simply a peace deal the Germans had to accept. In Dutch history books, the word is usually not translated.
Anyway, when it became clear that I was facing 2 enemies, I have contacted NHJ. He told me that he was engaged in a war with both you and Matrix earlier, and that the resulting peace deal involved peace until 500AD. Admittedly, I made it up that this was forced on him. However, it must be said it was quite a convinience for you that I wasn't able to get any help, soon.
It appears Plux never made one, so I never continued it.......
I don't remember matrix and NHJ being at war eariler. I guess it my turn to defend and for you to attack, hopefully i can give you some of the headaches you gave me
I don't remember matrix and NHJ being at war eariler. I guess it my turn to defend and for you to attack, hopefully i can give you some of the headaches you gave me
I checked the PMs. NHJ was indeed at war with you only. Nevertheless did he have peace deals with both you and Matrix, until 500 AD.
We'll see what happens next!
Yea, the idea was that by now you would've been eliminated and that NHJ would be attacked at 500 AD. [rolleyes]
Darkness
04-03-2009, 17:07
Yea, the idea was that by now you would've been eliminated and that NHJ would be attacked at 500 AD. [rolleyes]
You know it's always good to have a back-up plan, right...? ;)
What, a game where NHJ isn't matrix' bitch? Now that's a plot twist [whipped]
Well, excuse me for not going all 'world-domination' on the previous (and my first) pitboss :p
As for
But you're right! NHJ, kneel for me, bitch! [evil]I say 'you and what army'. Fairly literally, too, in this case [cool]
The 500AD deal wasn't forced on me, by the way. Robi did a sneak attack on me early on involving a bunch of chariots and a doublemove (the legal kind) that almost cost me a major (and holy) city, and as I didn't have much of an army yet it seemed like a good idea to be secure for a while so I could build one, to prepare for the inevitable attack at that point.
Well, I'm now a vassal of Beam. [:o)] I don't know why he offered it to me, because that means he's now at war with Stapel and NHJ as well. [lol]
Hahaha! I feel sorry for his Explorer, it's currently skulking around Egypt somewhere :p
Well, I'm now a vassal of Beam. [:o)] I don't know why he offered it to me, because that means he's now at war with Stapel and NHJ as well. [lol]
Hahaha! I feel sorry for his Explorer, it's currently skulking around Egypt somewhere :p
Guess what! There ain't no explorer no more!
No worries Beam, once Matrix last city is taken, you can buy yourself a peace deal.
Well, I'm now a vassal of Beam. [:o)] I don't know why he offered it to me, because that means he's now at war with Stapel and NHJ as well. [lol]
Just out of interest to see if a human vassal is more exciting that an AI one [whatsthis
So entertain your master!
Guess what! There ain't no explorer no more!
No worries Beam, once Matrix last city is taken, you can buy yourself a peace deal.
Thanks for helping me save cash! With what I've seen moving around there Veendam and Matrix won't be with us a lot longer.
520 AD: Your maps have proven that the world is round! Your ships receive a +1 Movement bonus.http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/pointandlaugh.gif
http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/pointandlaugh.gif
I noticed that! I already had the impression your focus wasn't 100% on war, but now I am sure :) .
Anyway, one more turn, Matrix!
Sayonara Matrix sorry my rescue party couldn't get there in time[ninja]
I noticed that! I already had the impression your focus wasn't 100% on war, but now I am sure :) .
Anyway, one more turn, Matrix!
No, it wasn't, but this happened because Beam and I traded world maps. I am above Beam in the list (e.g. when you log in), so I get the bonus. :rolleyes:
Crap!
I missed 2 (I think) turns due to lack of internet!
Crap!
I missed 2 (I think) turns due to lack of internet!
Anyway, I just played two turns. Didn't press enter after the 2nd though.
Crap!
I missed 2 (I think) turns due to lack of internet!
You should have gone out to find unprotected wifi, you missed an opportunity there to add a layer to the term 'wardriving' [:D]
You should have gone out to find unprotected wifi, you missed an opportunity there to add a layer to the term 'wardriving' [:D]
[rotfl]
Bas, why are you replying with a cease fire? I don't get the difference.....
if he replies ingame then he has to send a cease fire for the message to go through :)
Also me and akots are now at war, i couldn't remember the exact turn but neither could akots iirc when our peace treaty expired but i believe it was turn 143 (this turn) i've declared war but have delayed offensive action just incase i was wrong :)
It is fine with me but we actually had a 5-turn warning before declaring war which had been agreed by you in you pm to me as of Jan-12. Also, it could have been possible to give me a warning on turn 138 and declare this turn. However, I have not receive any warning messages from you neither in-game nor by pm here at CDZ. Since you declared without warning immediately after the agreement expired, this is in violation of your own documented word.
There are two reasonable ways to proceed from here as I see it:
1. Leave it like it is and abstain from moving troops within each other lands for 5 subsequent turns.
2. Make peace and resume the state of war after this peace expires (10 turns in-game).
I've re-checked our PM's regarding the peace deal, i see no mention of a five turn warning. If you can direct me to this then i'd be happy to adhere to it. The closest thing i could find was that we had a 'possible extension'. Mainly i know this because i didn't send a PM on Jan 12th :S. The last PM i sent you before February was December 2nd.
Sorry for the confusion, it were a pm on 01-12 which should be December 1. I read it the "American way" which is Jan-12. Details sent by pm.
Darkness
11-03-2009, 19:59
Sorry for the confusion, it were a pm on 01-12 which should be December 1. I read it the "American way" which is Jan-12. Details sent by pm.
Silly Americans... ;) Always doing things different... ;)
Silly Americans... ;) Always doing things different... ;)
How about the Brits? They drink their beer half warm (I'm explicitly not referring to piss here ;) ) and don't drive on the right side. [lol]
Anyway I hope and expect the war declaration issue is resolved soon within the CDZ spirit of the game.
Well i've replied to akots PM- i certainly wont be acting dishonourably if i can avoid doing so :)
Yes, as Simon said, the conflict had been resolved amicably to quench the mutual concerns. We'll resume the acton in a few turns. [:)]
(...) and don't drive on the right side.
Who says the right side isn't the right side? http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/slant.gif
Who says the right side isn't the right side? http://www.straland.com/images/smilies/slant.gif
those that say the left side is the right side:p
[rotfl]
Bas, why are you replying with a cease fire? I don't get the difference.....
I clicked your offer away, because I wasn't sure Matrix was eliminated!
I clicked your offer away, because I wasn't sure Matrix was eliminated!
Just to reassure you...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xoh8j_monty-python-dead-parrot-sketch_family
Hey everyone,
I'll be away for the next two weeks (study-related), and Matrix has kindly agreed to take over for me during that period. Good thing he was eliminated so quickly ;)
I'm going to be away from the 29th to the 2nd (at the earliest) anyone reading this fancy subbing?
I'm going to be away from the 29th to the 2nd (at the earliest) anyone reading this fancy subbing?
Depends how quickly stapel takes me out, but i'll help out if possible
huh?
http://civduelzone.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201&d=1237230821
barbu1977
16-03-2009, 20:17
huh?
http://civduelzone.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201&d=1237230821
When you load the civstat page it syncs the timers, but afterwards the timer of the civstat page simply goes down and does not re-sync
When you load the civstat page it syncs the timers, but afterwards the timer of the civstat page simply goes down and does not re-sync
Ok,
But why are you here to reply, but are you not in-game to end your turn?
Ce n'est pas comme il faut :) .
Depends how quickly stapel takes me out, but i'll help out if possible
I'll eat my shoes if it takes longer :smug: .
barbu1977
16-03-2009, 21:09
Ok,
But why are you here to reply, but are you not in-game to end your turn?
Ce n'est pas comme il faut :) .
I'm at work!
I'll eat my shoes if it takes longer :smug: .
There you go Beam, help me out and you get to see Stapel eat his shoes:D
There you go Beam, help me out and you get to see Stapel eat his shoes:D
Planning to help you out, what do you need?
When you load the civstat page it syncs the timers, but afterwards the timer of the civstat page simply goes down and does not re-sync
Fully correct, there can be a 4 hour discrepancy over 24 hours and therefore the timer is set at 20 hours. Usually it goes next turn after about 24 turns if nobloody completes turns. Civstats lists 23 hours but there is where I prob started experimenting to get it at about 24 RL. :)
Planning to help you out, what do you need?
Well some mace would be nice, cats too, longbows if you could spare any... hell i'd take warriors at this point. Beggers can't be choosers:D
Well some mace would be nice, cats too, longbows if you could spare any... hell i'd take warriors at this point. Beggers can't be choosers:D
Well, 6 or 7 turns is all you have left, me thinks. My guess is you will be on time to sub for BCLG :) .
Well some mace would be nice, cats too, longbows if you could spare any... hell i'd take warriors at this point. Beggers can't be choosers:D
And when do you plan to come and pick them up? ;)
And when do you plan to come and pick them up? ;)
If he's not there in 2 turns, he won't come at all :D .
If he's not there in 2 turns, he won't come at all :D .
You mean I have jsut 2 turns to build all those units? OMG
barbu1977
20-03-2009, 04:10
The American people seek territorial expansion and have decided to declare war on Korea.
I'm sorry but I think based on what I see on civstats, I missed the turn. While yesterday late night I was able to do the turn, I did not do it because of possible double move with BCLG. While today, I just had to stay late at work and there was nothing to be done, could not get home earlier. Will inspect the damage and report later when at home.
Sorry, but I lost production in 4 cities for the turn I missed [wallbash]. Can the game be replayed from the last autosave for the previous turn please. Loading barbu's autosave would be perfect since in this case, only I and barbu would need to replay. If the game can also be paused so the timer does not run out. I also paused the current turn on server. Tried to do it first with spacebar and ended my turn instead [wallbash]. Sorry about that but it is sort of critical with all these wars and stuff.
I can see why this would be fairly disbalancing for you. I can agree with a reload.
However, I should add that I was in the same position last week (albeit in a less critical situation), and didn't even think about reloading.
I'm not insisting on anything, just asking. If the consensus is that it should be continued, anyone can unpause the game.
Although I'd like to have more responses I hate to delay things to much. So the game has been stopped after being saved and the barbu Autosave has been reloaded with about an hour to go. Hopefully this gives both akots and barbu enough time to finish their turns.
Beam,
What if Barbu doesn't read this and misses out this turn?
Stapel, very simple. Both should be able te finish their turn despite the time differences. I realize it might require another reload.
How can I pause the game?
Darkness
21-03-2009, 12:30
How can I pause the game?
Just press the "pause" button on your keyboard when you're logged into the game...
Just press the "pause" button on your keyboard when you're logged into the game...
[wallbash]
barbu1977
21-03-2009, 13:25
I replayed my turn and pressed pause.
I replayed my turn and pressed pause.
So, we now wait for Akots to play his turn, right?
Well, get on with it :) .
Akots, next time if i've taken awhile to go, feel free to just proceed- we'll just re-arrange the turn order :)
I feel perfectly comfortable that you wont purposefull engineer a DM so i'm not too worried about occasions like this :)
Sorry for all that hassle. Turn played, new turn started.
socralynnek
22-03-2009, 21:26
The American people seek territorial expansion and have decided to declare war on Korea.
As the Americans declared war on an ally of the Carthaginian people despite the warning a few years before, the Carthaginians didn't have any other option than to help their ally and declare war on the American people.
The Carthaginians feel sorry to break a peace deal that way, but the aggressive Americans left no other options.
Reports for duty and joins the party. Declared on barbu and you're lucky I'm respecting the DM and did not capture that worker.
As the Americans declared war on an ally of the Carthaginian people despite the warning a few years before, the Carthaginians didn't have any other option than to help their ally and declare war on the American people.
The Carthaginians feel sorry to break a peace deal that way, but the aggressive Americans left no other options.
From what barbu has told me about this i find your excuse very dishonourable, you've simply decided that a peace treaty is over irregardless of anything else. You had a peace treaty which you've just disregarded, it didn't stipulate (as far as i'm aware) anything such as declaring on akots or whatever would result in war. You just suddenly decide to add this later due to some misguided opinion that barbu is my vassal. Frankly, your actions here will make me ponder any agreement i may make with you in a future game.
socralynnek
22-03-2009, 23:14
From what barbu has told me about this i find your excuse very dishonourable, you've simply decided that a peace treaty is over irregardless of anything else. You had a peace treaty which you've just disregarded, it didn't stipulate (as far as i'm aware) anything such as declaring on akots or whatever would result in war. You just suddenly decide to add this later due to some misguided opinion that barbu is my vassal. Frankly, your actions here will make me ponder any agreement i may make with you in a future game.
Sorry, but I wrote to barbu in the warning, that I had an agreement with akots.
Yeah, I accused barbu of behaving like your vassal. What else should I think anyway? He gives akots a 10 turn warning after you declared on akots while barbu would help you very much winning this game. I can't see how he should gain anything which could make him win the game in this war. barbu assured me he is not a vassal of yours, so I didn't accuse him in public. And I warned him (which makes it at least better in my opinion)
barbu and you declared on akots and I promised to help akots in this case. That is also a deal (I'd never thought that abrbu could come to a conclusion to help you in this game, so I didn't think those two agreements could collide). If barbu had not declared on akots, I wouldn't have declared on him, that's for sure.
What I learned from this game is to add in future times a explicit cause to my peace deals to exclude cases where a weak guy is helping the big guy winning the game.
I don't like breaking deals. It's the first time for me. And it will not be common in future games.
barbu1977
23-03-2009, 00:35
Nevertheless the facts are the facts, we had a peace deal up to year 1000AD and after that, a turn 15 war declaration warning. That treaty was broken.
The accusations that you have made of me being vassal could have been valid, but I think I did reply to those completely in a PM. To that PM, I did not get any reply.
Some agreements are just bad, like the one I made with Akots at beginning of the game that allowed him to destroy Ian while I had to sit back. To that agreement, I hold my word. The same way Akots kept his word while BC destroyed Nitro. I'm sorry you signed one of these, but the honourable way would have been to stay true to your word.
On the brighter side, a lot of action is coming up [charge]
I wouldn't mind some screenshot updates from people who aren't dead yet *cough* Robi *cough*
I'm genuinly sorry about all this misunderstanding. Apparently, ynnek had little choice between breaking one deal or the other and that was a very tough decision. It seems when these agreements have been signed, barbu have assured at leat me, cannot say about anyone else, that the only desire for the American people is to keep the balance between Korea and Mongolia and not to interfere if there is a war between me and BCLG. Thus, I've made some insurance deal as well with Carthaginian empire but it was not some Macchiavellian plot because I had no idea what kind of deal barbu and ynnek have between each other.
So while there were that breaking one of the treaties position, another factor was that the politics declared by barbu were not exactly followed and even though it were not formalized publically or in any treaty I am aware of, this still is a strong factor which could have possibly influenced the circumstances here.
I wouldn't mind some screenshot updates from people who aren't dead yet *cough* Robi *cough*
[finger] ;)
Since no asked for my opinion here it is.
Yynek got himself in a tangle with the deals he made and got caught up in a position with contradictory deals.
Now in my very very humble opinion i would rank a deal to stay at peace over one to go to war but thats just my opinion.
I guess the main thing is that there is a lesson to be learned in this, if you have a defensive arrangement with someone make sure its part of any other peace you make
socralynnek
23-03-2009, 10:09
Nevertheless the facts are the facts, we had a peace deal up to year 1000AD and after that, a turn 15 war declaration warning. That treaty was broken.
That's why I stated it in my earlier post. I really feel sorry about breaking that peace deal. I have long thought about it, whether I can or even should do it. It hurts me. Really.
The accusations that you have made of me being vassal could have been valid, but I think I did reply to those completely in a PM. To that PM, I did not get any reply.
Your reply was fine. That's why I didn't bring up the vassal story in this thread (I only replied to BCLG). Still, you were acting like a vassal, intended or not. BCLG is by far strongest and you are helping him. At least that's how I am perceiving the situation.
Some agreements are just bad, like the one I made with Akots at beginning of the game that allowed him to destroy Ian while I had to sit back. To that agreement, I hold my word. The same way Akots kept his word while BC destroyed Nitro. I'm sorry you signed one of these, but the honourable way would have been to stay true to your word.
I should have explicitly stated the desire between balance of the great powers when signing the peace deal. That was a precondition to that deal (but as it hasn't been written down, so I have no right to call you breaking that treaty)
This case is different as I can see to the ones you mention. You had no military assistance agreement with Ian nor had akots one with Nitro. I have a military assistance agreement with akots and you declare war on him. That alone might value the assistance agreement higher than the peace deal with you. I might have sit back if not BCLG would run away with the game otherwise with your help.
I mean, it might even make no difference whether I declared on you or not as BCLG probably will still win the game, but you made it a lot easier for him.
Not being hindered by any lack of knowledge of the precise situation, these are my thoughts:
-Whether anyone is anyone's vassal, seems irrelevant to me. Being accused of it is also irrelevant.
-Conflicting deals should be avoided. I am not accusing Ynnek here. I know, and I think we all know, that conflicting deals are made, without even realising. I trust Ynnek won’t make the same mistake again easily.
-A lesson I learnt in multi player games, is that when one goes to war, peace deals with other players are essential. I trust that BCLG’s declaration was made while expecting Ynnek to stay out of it.
-But Ynnek didn’t stay out, because he had promised his ally to get in.
-Whatever Ynnek decided to do, it was never going to be the right decision. However, from what I read here, Ynnek did warn his neighbours (or at least one of them) onbeforehand that he would break their deal. Given the situation Ynnek was in, this was the best way to deal with it, I guess.
A general note: Firm peace deals can be a real burden in CiV. Once made, one should stick to it when possible. But imho, it is generally wise not to make too long-lasting deals, or, if one does anyway, to add escape possibilities to it.
I hate peace locks! They should be avoided!
socralynnek
23-03-2009, 10:15
Since no asked for my opinion here it is.
Yynek got himself in a tangle with the deals he made and got caught up in a position with contradictory deals.
Now in my very very humble opinion i would rank a deal to stay at peace over one to go to war but thats just my opinion.
I guess the main thing is that there is a lesson to be learned in this, if you have a defensive arrangement with someone make sure its part of any other peace you make
I didn't think it to be contradictory until 10 turns ago. I thought we had a common understanding of the game, me and barbu. The peace treaty at that time was signed to keep the great powers in balance. (I must admit that me assuring akots military assistance was made later than that peace deal, when it was clear that BCLG is the one Super Power)
I was very surprised to see barbu on BCLG's side (that's why I thought at first, that barbu was BCLG's vassal)
barbu1977
23-03-2009, 15:02
That's why I stated it in my earlier post. I really feel sorry about breaking that peace deal. I have long thought about it, whether I can or even should do it. It hurts me. Really.
All that being said, I undestand the position you are in and accept your decision (not meaning that it is the one I had hoped for).
Unfortunatly, calling out in the open thread is obviously part of the consequece.
socralynnek
23-03-2009, 15:13
All that being said, I undestand the position you are in and accept your decision (not meaning that it is the one I had hoped for).
Unfortunatly, calling out in the open thread is obviously part of the consequece.
I can live with that. I guess, I wouldn't like to be in the same situation from the other end. I am perfectly fine with he positions being laid out in this thread s.t. everyone else (and people I'll play with in future games) can draw their conclusions.
Good to see that, once more here at CDZ, we have sorted things out in the spirit of the game.
:grouphug:
Shabbaman
23-03-2009, 16:57
I guess the main thing is that there is a lesson to be learned in this, if you have a defensive arrangement with someone make sure its part of any other peace you make
Well, if you have two dp's with the ai and one of them attacks the other, you're at war with the attacker. Mutually assured destruction.
Good to see that, once more here at CDZ, we have sorted things out in the spirit of the game.
:grouphug:
+1
... Some agreements are just bad, like the one I made with Akots at beginning of the game that allowed him to destroy Ian while I had to sit back. To that agreement, I hold my word. The same way Akots kept his word while BC destroyed Nitro. ...
Sure but consider the following circumstances:
1. One who makes early war decision usually faces limited space for peaceful expansion.
2. One who agrees to early peace deals can get the advantage of peaceful development and usually runs ahead provided that there is a room for peaceful expansion.
3. Early wars have a risk of being defeated or sandwiched between two or even three enemies.
4. The outcome of all this is absolutely unclear just because the information about the map is very limited and these action can often alter geopolitical balance in an unpredictable way.
So, I would not say that either one of these deals looked wrong or was actually wrong at the time these deals were made. I think they are all quite justifiable. The situation then develops and certain of these long-term commitments are no longer feasible and have to be either re-negotiated or completely abandoned due to impending circumstances IMHO.
While I would prefer to keep the diplo pertaining to the current game undisclosed at the moment, a number of attempts were made to dissolve the accumulating crisis via more peaceful means. These were rejected and thus, the crisis exacerbated and now, we might have a total war situation threatening the welfare of all participants.
These were rejected and thus, the crisis exacerbated and now, we might have a total war situation threatening the welfare of all participants.
:D
We'll have to speak to Stapel about how to conduct a fast, yet efficient, war... ;)
Damn, looks like i just died in time to miss out on all the fun
I just thought of a brilliant idea (see the "Getting new members" thread). Would you like it if I'd make a general spoiler, forbidden for all you guys, but giving a nice overview of the entire game for all the other members? That is, after NHJ is taking back control over his empire, of course.
If so, would you mind if I'd get the admin password to log in as each one of you? I know that sounds a bit freaky and scary, but please consider: what is the disadvantage of me doing so? The only thing I can think of is making Civstats a bit blurry. So what...
Presumably matrix, beam can just send you a save of the turn for you to do it, rather than you logging in and perhaps accidently pressing a button- also less of a strain on beams internet.
Otherwise seems a nice idea :)
would maybe encourage those not writing a spoiler for this game to do so :)
barbu1977
24-03-2009, 15:34
Otherwise seems a nice idea :)
would maybe encourage those not writing a spoiler for this game to do so :)
Or not writing any. Just let someone else do it.
That might not be a bad thing, because a general spoiler might be much more fun to read anyway. Meaning: the personal spoilers will probably not be read as much anymore anyway; only afterwards by fellow players.
And indeed, I could much better use a savegame; not necessarily delivered by the admin: any player can save the game and send it.
That might not be a bad thing, because a general spoiler might be much more fun to read anyway. Meaning: the personal spoilers will probably not be read as much anymore anyway; only afterwards by fellow players.
Thats not true in my mind, while a general spoiler would give outsiders information on events taking place, individual spoiler would give observers the reasons why a certain player was taking that action.
Darkness
25-03-2009, 09:24
Meaning: the personal spoilers will probably not be read as much anymore anyway; only afterwards by fellow players.
I don't think so. I really like reading spoilers of games I'm not in (I'm not in any game atm, but I still like reading about them). I've read BCLG's, Stapel's, Beam's, Robi's and Barbu's, IIRC. And have actually commented in a few (don't know if my comments/suggestions are useful, but in my own spoilers I always like some response from readers (to know that at least someone is interested in reading what I post, because creating a spoiler takes time and it's nice to know that the effort is being appreciated))...
Hey guys! I'm back home and am now playing again. Thanks to Matrix for taking over in the meantime. Also the general spoiler sounds like a nice idea!
Robi is going to be taking over my civ for a few days :)
My Internet connection has been down for an hour or so and it seems the router was reset to defaults in the process. Please post if you can't connect to the game. Sav is made.
socralynnek
02-04-2009, 00:42
Can't connect. Has the IP changed?
EDIT: Can the game be paused? I won't be able to play for the next 17-18 hours...
barbu1977
02-04-2009, 01:13
I can't play either.
Seems I have to reconfigure the router. :( IP should be the same but the port forwarding is gone.
Seems I have to reconfigure the router. :( IP should be the same but the port forwarding is gone.
Good luck!
Shabbaman
02-04-2009, 11:11
My guess is your provider flashed your modem with new firmware, or that the thing is broken. You should be able to turn your modem/router off for weeks without anything happening.
Guess so, means quite some reconfig. [rant]
Anyway the port should be forwarded now but I can't test it myself. Can somebody try to logon please?
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