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Kingreno
18-06-2008, 20:09
Hi.
first YP of the new season:
Tommy van Elven (206962312)
17 years and 71 days, passable form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is balanced and upright.
Has disastrous experience and solid leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 29-07-2008
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 310
Wage: 453 €/week
Owner: Aristocats
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched
Sold for 214k. That's 10 weeks of YS paid for already!:D
I just sold a passable scoring weak defending weak passing guy for 62 700 US$
not all bad.. pays for the club for a while.. I am just excited for my next guy to pop.. :D
sold my stud striker for 1.2 mil today
17 yr 3 day
Solid Scoring - Passable passing - weak defending.. :)
I'm a happy guy now :D
I am amazed, a solid striker for 1.2 mil? Congrats!
Shabbaman
02-07-2008, 09:48
That's in dollars, so it's about 300k euro's ;) Nah, amazing price.
thanks.. it gives me around 3.1 million USD to play with right now and I have not yet sold off my club yet.. (I will wait til after I get booted from the cup)
Kingreno
13-07-2008, 09:32
Nice sell Mistfit!!
I got a passable scoring last week, sold for 97k.
Today this came in:
quote:Richard Groenland (209860013)
18 years and 65 days, passable form, healthy
A sympathetic guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 29-08-2008
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 750
Wage: 412 €/week
Owner: Aristocats
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched
TC gives 100-400k. [drunks1]
Kingreno
20-07-2008, 09:13
quote:Jonathan Velthoen (210484909)
[b]17 years and 30 days, passable form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 10-10-2008
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 070
Wage: 394 €/week
Owner: Aristocats
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: inadequate Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: weak
TC gives an abnormal 100-900k range.
Strangely enough a similar guy as KR has... quote:Gelwin Kos (210591251)
17 years and 0 days, passable form, healthy
A nasty fellow who is balanced and upright.
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities.
Next birthday: 10-11-2008
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 010
Wage: 473 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: weak Goalkeeping: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: weak
Winger: wretched Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: wretched
Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0
Young Gelwin changed owner for 585 000 ˆ! Too bad that he reached his maximum before he reached excellent...
That being said, I now have a 15 yo passable defender with excellent as max!
Kingreno
25-07-2008, 08:48
I only got 340 for mine!
we live in a strange HT world...
Tubby Rower
02-08-2008, 00:38
I have a 7 star GK and a 6 star winger (started with passable winger but has a bit of PM training). any ideas on what they'll turn out to be once they turn 17. Should I promote immediately or wait a bit?
7 star keeper is likely passable or maybe even solid - how long til he's 17?
My youth kid from:
quote:1/13/2008 Was promoted from Mistfit's_Marauders's Youth academy at the age of 17
is now worth 3.5 Mil as I have been training him.
IIRC he was around the 7.5 star mark when I pulled him
Tubby Rower
02-08-2008, 16:54
19 days until he's 17 exactly. I might keep him down in the minors until I find a suitable replacement for him since I'm training GK anyway.. there's no need in not training 3 players :D
sold on for 380K with excelent wing and passable pm 18 though
Awaiting a couple of superb youth pulls within now and 6 weeks I pulled this guy:
quote:Riny Bot (217538496)
17 years and 2 days, passable form, healthy
I'm young, multiskilled and I have a high TSI!!!
A pleasant guy who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Speciality: Powerful
Next birthday: 10-01-2009
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 020
Wage: 354 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set pieces: weak
Not bad at all!
Riny Bot (see post above) was a victim of a bidding war. At the end one of the participants of this war mailed me this:
"Have fun with the money... I should have stopped far earlier, but this Bulgarian is mad ;)"
Bot went to Bulgaria for................. 459 000 € :D
I've sold an excel 20-yo winger which was originally a YP with passable winger who trained for like 3 seasons at a very relaxed pace (mostly as wingback in friendlies and not even in every game) for 400K. This is quite unexpected because I've thought the guy would make no more than 250K on a good day. I guess market is going crazy again even for the weak players since people have cash but supply of trained players is very limited. A lot train general and wingers are trained by only 5% of all teams while being about 20% of all players and some even like to use wingbacks with winger skills. On the other hand, some use WTM a lot and for that, minimal winger is needed.
I'm now training PM as main skill with YA, should have soon at least 2 guys at passable-solid PM ready to promote to go on the market.
So yes, YA finally pays for its maintenance even for me. However, there is no profit yet to be found in it. All recent pulls actually failed to sell even at zero price without further training.
quote:Originally posted by akots
So yes, YA finally pays for its maintenance even for me. However, there is no profit yet to be found in it. All recent pulls actually failed to sell even at zero price without further training.
Since this is the bragging thread, I like to respond by saying that my YA profit right now is more than 2 million euro (total sales is about 3.4 million).
I'm training defending and will pull two excellent '17 year <5 day' old players very soon. One of them also probably has at least passable wing.
So imho there's a lot of money to be gained from the YA.
Riny Bot (the guy I just sold) almost had no training at all, but maxed out quickly.
w00t!
I do not really know what this means but I have a player now that is listed as being part of the U-20 team :D
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/Mistfit/u20.jpg
socralynnek
13-10-2008, 18:30
That means:
-Higher injury risk if he plays there also (but you get money if he gets injured)
-If he plays, the national team pays part of his wage
-If he plays, he gets experience
-He is worth more if you sell him (but don't sell him without talking to the scout/national coach first)
-You rock!
That is actually quite nice. Most important of course is experience.
Shabbaman
10-11-2008, 16:48
I get the idea that the "regular" youth pulls have been toned down. That, or I've hit an unlucky streak, even unluckier than my normal luck.
First of the two supper-pulls this and next week :)
Bobby Oostveen (225022299)
17 years and 3 days, passable form, healthy
I speak Nederlands!
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Speciality: Unpredictable
next birthday: 14-03-2009
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 060
Wage: 590 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: excellent
Scoring: weak Set pieces: disastrous
edit: I got 1.349.000 euro for him!
Last week I thought I would promote Odyakar, who just turned 17 and is excellent in defending. But he just improved his passing skills, with 8 stars there now. Who knows, he might get solid/excellent there as well!
So I'm training crossing and wing attack until I get a nice 'skill-up, skill level or training complete' message about him and in the meanwhile promoted this guy:
Juri Adrichem
TSI = 810 , 18 years and 25 days, passable form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities. [Quick]
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: solid
Scoring: weak Set pieces: inadequate
edit: he sold for 102,000 euro.
My best pull ever, but I expected more because he had 8 stars as a winger:
Umut Odyakar (227416697) [Transfer-listed] Add to your bookmarks
17 years and 11 days, passable form, healthy
I speak Türkçe!
A pleasant guy who is calm and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Speciality: Quick
Next birthday: 18-03-2009
Nationality: Nederland
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 570
Wage: 700 €/week
Owner: Lucky Aggie
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: passable Defending: excellent
Scoring: weak Set pieces: passable
I sold Odyakar for ...........................
4,112,000 euro!!!
:) :) :) :)
OMFG, that is quite a profit!
barbu1977
10-12-2008, 16:10
So that whould pay for more than 186 weeks of investment in the old youth squad.
socralynnek
10-12-2008, 16:40
Congratulations Aggie!
I am looking forward to promoting a guy who should be solid on wings and get solid in passing as well. I hope his PM is also ok, then I'll train him myself. Promoting him probably next week, so let's wait and see. He is like 17 1/2 though.
Kingreno
11-12-2008, 21:07
Nice one Aggie!!!
By far not as good as yours but a decent pull:
Gauke Pieter Dorrepaal (227410972)
17 years and 24 days, Next birthday: 09-03-2009
In passable form, inadequate stamina.
A controversial person who is balanced and upright.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Owner: Aristocats (since 07-12-2008)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 310
Wage: 510 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
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TRANSFER-LISTED
Deadline: 11-12-2008 22:12
Asking price: 175 000 €
Highest bid: 187 000 € by Hobbes Allstars
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Current skills
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: poor
Playmaking: poor
Winger: excellent
Passing: poor
Scoring: passable
Set pieces: disastrous
EDIT: got 400k for him!
Kingreno
14-12-2008, 09:59
This the 3rd pull in a row that will certainly sell well. He has a huge TSI for his age, TC gives only 200k-400k but the highest TSI there is under 1 000.
Jory Willigers (227992717)
17 years and 17 days, Next birthday: 19-03-2009
In passable form, inadequate stamina.
A pleasant guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Owner: Aristocats (since 14-12-2008)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 050
Wage: 570 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Speciality: Technical
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Current skills
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: wretched
Playmaking: solid
Winger: passable
Passing: inadequate
Scoring: weak
Set pieces: poor
EDIT: 845 000 euros!
sold a 17 yr 3 day old Solid keeper for
1-24-2009 (NaN/NaN) Sold a player and received 515 850 US$
pretty happy with that
My first pull after the lucky streak:
Karel Velzen (234901338)
17 years and 0 days, Next birthday: 27-05-2009
In passable form, weak stamina.
A sympathetic guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Owner: Lucky Aggie (since 04-02-2009)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 720
Wage: 430 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Speciality: Head
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: solid
Playmaking: poor
Winger: inadequate
Passing: poor
Scoring: wretched
Set pieces: poor
Seems like I keep on getting superdeals. 600k for Velzen! My total YA income is now 10M...
I think that there are enough nutcases around who keep on thinking that these kind of very young players are worth these prices.
All the more reason to continue doing what I'm doing: focus on the mainskill of my best young player(s) and try to sell them fully trained in this as young as possible.
I now have 3 to 4 of these players in my YA with max skill solid or excellent...
I sold my stud keeper (and the guy I pulled week one from the new system) for 6.3 million USD
socralynnek
11-02-2009, 08:59
Wow. What were his stats?
I sold my stud keeper (and the guy I pulled week one from the new system) for 6.3 million USD
Congrats!!!!!!
I had to promote this player since he couldn't get proper training with all my defender stars...
Adam Corbet [Transfer-listed]
17 years and 21 days, TSI = 2 130
In passable form, weak stamina.
Keeper: passable
Defending: poor
Playmaking: disastrous
Winger: disastrous
Passing: wretched
Scoring: disastrous
Set pieces: disastrous
Got 165,000 for Corbet. This could have been max 1,500,000 if he were solid, but then I would have missed 4,000,000 on defenders while training keeper.
This player maxed out during my individual/defending training sessions...
Melvin Waardenburg (236595809)
Nederland 17 years and 32 days, Next birthday: 13-05-2009
In passable form, weak stamina.
A sympathetic guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Owner: Lucky Aggie (since 22-02-2009)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 520
Wage: 310 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Current skills
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: passable
Playmaking: passable
Winger: poor
Passing: weak
Scoring: wretched
Set pieces: poor
edit: I got 150,000
This player just promoted without training (except for 4 weeks of individual training). His max keeper level was passable anyway...
Ryan van Helmont (237550456)
17 years and 0 days
In passable form, weak stamina.
A controversial person who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Owner: Lucky Aggie (since 05-03-2009)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 120
Wage: 1 860 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Current skills
Keeper: passable
Defending: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous
Winger: poor
Passing: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous
Set pieces: weak
Shabbaman
05-03-2009, 13:35
I can't promote anything until next season. No profit for me. However that is just as much profit as I made last seasons.
Going for the no youth investment at all atm. I do pull every week for the fun of it. At least I have the pleasure of sacking a 0 TSI player once a week now.
Shabbaman
06-03-2009, 10:16
Well, the new youth league is fun. It's some work, but it's just like playing in the ninth division ;)
Seriously though, I don't expect to make any money out of it, but that's just as much money I made with the old system. And perhaps with aggie's proper guidance and tips I'll make a profit in the end anyway :D
So just get on with it propain!
Just sacked another 0TSI player. Maybe I should start that youth league. Is there some room left in the CDZ youth league?
I got 191 900 € for Van Helmont.
Just sacked another 0TSI player. Maybe I should start that youth league. Is there some room left in the CDZ youth league?
Sadly the CDZ youth league is one with 12 teams who play 22 games in total. We still have 14 to go... I think that in total 4 teams would like to step in, but due to the size of it that's very difficult.
I know that you hardly have any money, but IF you want to go for the YA, it's best to invest in 3 scouts (20K...).
First one of three nice pulls in the coming weeks [:)]
Niek Parlevliet (240336592)
Nederland 17 years and 67 days, Next birthday: 06-05-2009
In passable form, weak stamina.
A sympathetic guy who is calm and upright.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Owner: Lucky Aggie (since 22-03-2009)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 750
Wage: 630 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Current skills
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: excellent
Playmaking: weak
Winger: weak
Passing: inadequate
Scoring: weak
Set pieces: wretched
I got 799,000 euro for Parlevliet!
I hope that Lenny's young age makes him extra interesting for buyers:
Lenny van de Corput (240903357)
17 years and 2 days, Next birthday: 18-07-2009
In passable form, weak stamina.
A pleasant guy who is balanced and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.
Owner: Lucky Aggie (since 29-03-2009)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 880
Wage: 450 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Current skills
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: solid
Playmaking: poor
Winger: inadequate
Passing: weak
Scoring: weak
Set pieces: weak
Shabbaman
30-03-2009, 10:43
Your YA rendement is leagues ahead of mine (well, my old YA). Pretty good. What are you training besides defending?
Your YA rendement is leagues ahead of mine (well, my old YA). Pretty good. What are you training besides defending?
I'm seriously thinking of not even drafting a YP any more. Solely from an economic POV. Anybody have a clear view on the economic effiency of the different youth systems?
Based on my first Hattrick 'tour' I'd say the old system wasnt very profitable. I remember getting one really good pull that made the difference but shouldn't I had that luck it was basically a break even affair iirc.
Shabbaman
30-03-2009, 11:50
Well, I know a lot of people made a big profit with the old system. It could be I have bad luck, but I think it's more likely "luck" is connected to your team number. IIRC there are/used to be some features where your team number was a deciding factor.
As for the new system, it takes at least 1 season before you can draft someone. A brilliant way to slow down the economy. Winger trainees seem to be getting scarce...
But most of all the new system provides you with another team, doubling the fun.
Your YA rendement is leagues ahead of mine (well, my old YA). Pretty good. What are you training besides defending?
I have been training individual, but I am sorry that I haven't trained 'defensive positions' though. I am seriously beginning to doubt the effectiveness of individual training, that's why.
And ProPain: Indeed it is double the fun. Also I firmly believe that the YA can be profitable. It has been profitable for me every single season (except for the first one of course...).
And Shabba is right. We are getting less and less wingers, because it is so hard to train in the YA, compared with defending for instance...
Shabbaman
30-03-2009, 14:01
Well, I'm considering switching training again for my first team, but I wouldn't know to what. Eventually winger prices will rise accordingly, but in my experience the market doesn't respond too quickly to such changes.
I hope that Lenny's young age makes him extra interesting for buyers:
Lenny van de Corput (240903357)
17 years and 2 days,
Lenny sold for 679,999 euro after a bidding war. The person buying this player in the end was willing to continue for a while longer, but sadly (for me) the other one didn't know that. Still a nice sum.
Next week I'll be promoting a 17.5 year excellent defender again. After that I have to rethink my YA strategy. I possibly won't have any real gems left anymore by then...
Shabbaman
02-04-2009, 12:08
I have been training individual, but I am sorry that I haven't trained 'defensive positions' though.
Defensive positions is very slow. Twice as slow as defending, to be exact. I'm considering through passes, but I've never found passing for defenders particularly useful. Set pieces might be useful, if that training has as much effect as it has for the main squad. I would train wingers if that had more effect on wingbacks. It's a pity the statistics for training aren't available for the youth squad, but I have the feeling not many people are training wingers. So there's profit to be made here...
Defensive positions is very slow. Twice as slow as defending, to be exact. I'm considering through passes, but I've never found passing for defenders particularly useful. Set pieces might be useful, if that training has as much effect as it has for the main squad. I would train wingers if that had more effect on wingbacks. It's a pity the statistics for training aren't available for the youth squad, but I have the feeling not many people are training wingers. So there's profit to be made here...
All your options are ok. Even individual would be. You don't know how fast or slow it is, but you get a lot of info on skills of your players.
I wish I had some great wingers, then I would do the same...
Shabbaman
02-04-2009, 12:38
You get info with training general, but then what? You're not switching training anyway.
You get info with training general, but then what? You're not switching training anyway.
It depends. You could get a message that a certain player has a lot of potential in a skill that you weren't aware of...
socralynnek
02-04-2009, 13:02
I have been training wingers and I am not that satisfied with it. I mean, there might be less people training wingers in the YA but maybe the ones by the old systema re better.
The problem with winger is, that the main B-skill (PM) can't be trained well. So you either have to train passing as 2nd and add the occasional week of PM + passing or you have only 50% PM for the wingers. I'll soon switch to keeper training with the occasional week of def.
I have been training wingers and I am not that satisfied with it. I mean, there might be less people training wingers in the YA but maybe the ones by the old systema re better.
The problem with winger is, that the main B-skill (PM) can't be trained well. So you either have to train passing as 2nd and add the occasional week of PM + passing or you have only 50% PM for the wingers. I'll soon switch to keeper training with the occasional week of def.
I just started using the a dutch help-file of the dutch youth academy federation. But I must say that I have the feeling I am still not managing the YA very effectively. I have quite a few players maxing out at wing allready so I have moved to defense and pm.
Shabbaman
02-04-2009, 13:49
PM doesn't really matter for wingers anyway. Passable is good enough. Their wing skill should be solid and they need the quick specialty. The only problem is that I'd only pay 200k for that player, so you're not going to get richt. However, I'll train them to formidable winger in 1 season and sell them for 1.5M.
socralynnek
02-04-2009, 14:04
BTW, I didn't want to say that training wingers is bad in YA, just wanted to say that I am not satisfied with it for my team. I had probably not done well enough and maybe considered wrong skills or such. And on top of that, I can't really use those players for my team, that's another reason to switch for me.
I am investing too little time in my YA to really max it out, but still I think I might do better than with the old system. Let's ssee how my new goalie trainee will be doing once I sell my maxed out winger at the day he reaches 17.
My last big pull for a while:
Onno Weggemans (241447129)
Nederland 17 years and 79 days, Next birthday: 08-05-2009
In passable form, weak stamina.
A controversial person who is tranquil and dishonest.
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities.
Wage: 590 €/week
Current skills
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: excellent
Playmaking: inadequate
Winger: weak
Passing: inadequate
Scoring: weak
Set pieces: wretched
Weggemans sold for 1,4 M euro. My 2nd best youth sale ever!
Shabbaman
09-04-2009, 16:59
I got a 15 y.o. that could get solid on goalkeeping. Should I switch my second training type to GK or would training general suffice?
I got a 15 y.o. that could get solid on goalkeeping. Should I switch my second training type to GK or would training general suffice?
General training appears to do almost nothing for goalkeeping.
If this is your best prospect, then you could go 100% for this player. So GK / some sort of other training type.
If you then max him regarding GK you could switch to defending with him. This might not happen, since he's almost 16, but it could be nice.
This player will probably pay your first 3 seasons of the YA at least! A 17 y 0 d solid GK is worth a LOT.
YA is all about sacrifices. Might be too bad for that solid defender or PM or scoring prospect, if you have such a player...
Shabbaman
11-04-2009, 12:15
Well, as a second training I could still train defending right? Although with a goalkeeper set pieces might make more sense.
Well, as a second training I could still train defending right? Although with a goalkeeper set pieces might make more sense.
For 2nd you can choose anything, but this will go very slowly.
Wicher Hartsinck appears to be a gem and inad at this point already. I should be solid when he reaches 17. Congrats with a first good prospect.
Half of my games in my youth leagues are walkovers whilst this is great because i still get training it means as i'm trying to sort out who plays best in what position it makes it a lot more difficult (and therefore what to actually train!) does anyone have any ideas of how i can sort this out?
Half of my games in my youth leagues are walkovers whilst this is great because i still get training it means as i'm trying to sort out who plays best in what position it makes it a lot more difficult (and therefore what to actually train!) does anyone have any ideas of how i can sort this out?
You can position your players on certain spots and receive training comments from that. Apart from that you can't do a lot. Some time ago HT announced that they would resolve this issue. I hope they'll do it soon.
Shabbaman
19-04-2009, 10:16
So I have this promising GK and 4 players with an inadequate main skill. Two in defending, two in PM. They're all close to 17 y.o., so I'm not expecting to get them anywhere. The options I have figured out for the second training are individual, defending (with the two PM as defenders) and defensive positions (aka passing). Or perhaps it makes more sense to train set pieces?
Sounds like you still only have one main talent. I would put all efforts on him (SP or individual - the last still also trains other players).
Shabbaman
14-05-2009, 16:06
I just figured out I can start promoting players to my first team tomorrow. Though I just fired a player to make room for a new prospect, doh... So, when should I promote what player?
Doesn't look like you have a lot of players for promotion right now. Robbert de la Bretoniere might be worth a promotion if he really is passable at 17 yo (in 9 days). That would be a first nice sell.
Your squad really improved lately! What are you training now?
Shabbaman
15-05-2009, 11:51
Still goalkeeping and general. I was training defending for some weeks, and I drafted some nice inner mids. Well, nice... 5 stars is 'nice' I assume.
Still goalkeeping and general. I was training defending for some weeks, and I drafted some nice inner mids. Well, nice... 5 stars is 'nice' I assume.
I agree, 5 stars is nice. Looks like inad to me. 6 stars on wing might mean anything, but probably also inad. And the player is quite young.
First pull since ages...
Rob van Pelt (247601309)
17 years and 51 days, Next birthday: 25-07-2009
A controversial person who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities.
Owner: Lucky Aggie (since 25-05-2009)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 800
Wage: 330 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Current skills
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set pieces: poor
I received 101,001 for him...
Shabbaman
25-05-2009, 13:59
Doesn't look like you have a lot of players for promotion right now. Robbert de la Bretoniere might be worth a promotion if he really is passable at 17 yo (in 9 days). That would be a first nice sell.
Your squad really improved lately! What are you training now?
Passable defending and inadequate passing. If anyone's training defending: click (http://www90.hattrick.org/Club/Players/Player.aspx?PlayerID=247608194&BrowseIds=)...
Passable defending and inadequate passing. If anyone's training defending: click (http://www90.hattrick.org/Club/Players/Player.aspx?PlayerID=247608194&BrowseIds=)...
Nice player! You might get half of your investments back from this player alone. And there's more in your academy...
I put this player on the transfer market, expecting 5,000 euro. It turned out to be 50,000!
Kick Brommer (248038955)
17 years and 24 days, Next birthday: 30-08-2009
In passable form, weak stamina.
A popular guy who is temperamental and infamous.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities.
Owner: Lucky Aggie (since 31-05-2009)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 320
Wage: 290 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Speciality: Quick
Current skills
Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: weak
Shabbaman
03-06-2009, 11:51
My latest prospect proved to be an inadequate defending/inadequate playmaking at the age of 17 and 34 days. Hopefully I'll sell him, but it doesn't look promising.
Shabbaman
21-06-2009, 11:34
Haha, I got a message telling me that my GK prospect (solid now!) is actually more adept at PM:
Wicher Hartsinck: Ik zeg niet dat hij niet profiteert van de huidige training, maar hou in je achterhoofd dat zijn echte talent ligt op het gebied van Positiespel.
Haha, I got a message telling me that my GK prospect (solid now!) is actually more adept at PM:
This is a signal that he indeed maxed in GK and that he now has the most potential within PM.
Shabbaman
22-06-2009, 10:18
Who needs a GK with PM..
socralynnek
22-06-2009, 10:53
You never know how the engine will look like in a few seasons...
Who needs a GK with PM..
Anyway sounds like it's time to switch training type and find another potential star. This one is ready for promotion when his age and time at the YA meet the minimum requirements.
You never know how the engine will look like in a few seasons...
still I would prefer trainig heimon defending or sp
Shabbaman
22-06-2009, 15:57
This one is ready for promotion when his age and time at the YA meet the minimum requirements.
Still half a season or something. It might not be long enough to train him to excellent anyway, and I have some inner mids that could use some training.
finally sold one in two goes but still:
21k for a passable wing with inadequate wing of 17 and 6 days. I have some talent now that attracted attention from a scout. So starting quickly you will see my boys palying in the cdz youth-league.
Still half a season or something. It might not be long enough to train him to excellent anyway, and I have some inner mids that could use some training.
A keeper can't get higher than 'solid' anyway. The message you got was a sign that he maxed out...
Shabbaman
23-06-2009, 09:50
So if I want to get more for this guy I should train SP or defending?
socralynnek
23-06-2009, 09:55
So if I want to get more for this guy I should train SP or defending?
Exactly.
Exactly.
True, but you already got a hint for training, which may suggest that within SP and defending there's not much to gain. But it never hurts to try, because this GK is a goldmine that can only be better with strong defence or SP.
Did you get any other hints regarding this player or other players looking at their potential? Those are important messages!
Shabbaman
23-06-2009, 11:39
Yeah, those midfielders I got should be trained in PM. But they're all close to 17 anyway.
Did you also got general messages regarding potential of players? That they have a lot to learn etc...?
Brga moed on:
I hava a 16 &20 days that is solid in playmaking
Brga moed on:
I hava a 16 &20 days that is solid in playmaking
Wow! Can he reach excellent?
Brga moed on:
I hava a 16 &20 days that is solid in playmaking
And finally we learn that Arne is actually a Lt.K DL
Wow! Can he reach excellent?
the scout said he could become solid, so i assumme that is all he is going to be, but I still train him.
the scout said he could become solid, so i assumme that is all he is going to be, but I still train him.
Doesn't make sense to train him. He's reached his maximum. Try training him subskills!!! (if you don't have another superb prospect that is).
Doesn't make sense to train him. He's reached his maximum. Try training him subskills!!! (if you don't have another superb prospect that is).
You mean he will not go higher than solid.00000000 ? I thought you can only be sure he does not get better after a remark of the trainer/coach?
You mean he will not go higher than solid.00000000 ? I thought you can only be sure he does not get better after a remark of the trainer/coach?
Well, I am not 100% sure, but 99%.
edit: OK it appears that it may be that there's indeed improvement possible, but I never bother about it...
socralynnek
01-07-2009, 15:22
I think the cap allows for subskill. So it indeed might be worth training him, especially if you can make him excellent yourself after promoting.
I think the cap allows for subskill. So it indeed might be worth training him, especially if you can make him excellent yourself after promoting.
I might have a place for him by then.
Shabbaman
10-04-2011, 16:13
I just sold a 17 y.o. (+3 days) excellent scoring for 2.603.000 € :D
Congrats!!!!!!!
I hope to do even a tiny bit better with my equally young player Florus Hogenhuis (exc PM, solid passing, inad defense, head-specialist).
Congrats!!!!!!!
I hope to do even a tiny bit better with my equally young player Florus Hogenhuis (exc PM, solid passing, inad defense, head-specialist).
You nasty jackpot hitters!
You nasty jackpot hitters!
My apologies [;)]
Florus is on the transfer market for an hour and already someone bid 3.5 M !! (someone from the XTC squad who want to train potential U20 players...).
Just had to pay 500K on fees for Florus Hogenhuis. That means that he sold for ...
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10 MILLION EURO!!!
Shabbaman
15-04-2011, 15:08
Wut...
I start to worry that the Game Masters will cut the price of Florus. This player is the most expensive player on the weekly list of NL and I already saw a post on a forum stating that I need to give back a few million......
On the other hand a U20 scout told me a week ago that Florus could be worth 10M AND there was a genuine bid-war going on. On top of that Florus HAS the perfect age for U20 and the perfect stats.
18th in the world at last count.
socralynnek
18-04-2011, 15:54
Wow. Wow. Well done!
By selling Florus Hogenhuis our YA earning are now more than 25 M. And we still do have other talents, although by far not as promising as Florus.
Suppose I get this one up to solid scoring at 17, would that be getting me some decent cash?
Niels Feiken (108702833)
15 years and 38 days, Next birthday: 30-10-2011
Team: PP Pearls
Nationality: Nederland
First day with club: 17-08-2011 18:38 (0 days ago)
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Player skills
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown
Playmaking: unknown
Winger: unknown
Passing: unknown
Scoring: inadequate (max solid)
Set pieces: unknown
Scout Comment
Right, this week's candidate is 15 years of age and is called Niels Feiken.
Without any further training, this player will remain with inadequate Scoring. I would say as an allrounder, he's passable. If he develops well, I would say this chap can emerge with solid Scoring before joining the senior squad.
What do you say? Should we give him a chance?
Suppose I get this one up to solid scoring at 17, would that be getting me some decent cash?
Niels Feiken (108702833)
15 years and 38 days, Next birthday: 30-10-2011
Player skills
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown
Playmaking: unknown
Winger: unknown
Passing: unknown
Scoring: inadequate (max solid)
Set pieces: unknown
Oh Yeah this guy is a gem..
According to HTYC his main training will go something like this:
5 ⇒ 7: ≈ 13 Matches (Senior Season 47/2, Age 16.010)
That is only using primary training... you should be able to bump his secondaries to the fullest as well!
Time to figure out what else this guy has to offer. Hope for a spec and some good secondaries!
socralynnek
17-08-2011, 22:11
Yeah, that guy is worth concentrating on. If you do short passes as secondary and only field players in midfield+wing+fw where you know the passing potential, then you get his potential definitely.
yeah I just did a quick search on the TL and if he is a mono-skilled player he will not be worth all that much. Seemingly on forwards the secondaries are really important.
Heh.. a good potential Youth here!
Michael Jones looks promising. He is 15.35 years old and seems to have something extra.
I would say as an allrounder, he's inadequate. Given the chance to improve his Passing skills, this guy might well reach solid in that department. This player has weak Defending at this point in his career.
So long as the rest of his points are in one skill and not 2 this kid should be good.
Edit: going to train pm/pm next match to hopefully find out that this guy has some training he can receive in PM as it is what I am training more seriously. I presume I can find out both his max and current if he is the only one without those skills revealed in the five training spots for PM.
socralynnek
22-08-2011, 00:10
Not possible with PM/PM (or only possible via this non-training potential message)
If you train PM/PM only one player's current skill is revealed, but no potential of any player.
Not possible with PM/PM (or only possible via this non-training potential message)
If you train PM/PM only one player's current skill is revealed, but no potential of any player.
ah.. I guess I can switch out to PM/Wing to see if he has any skill there
Second scout called.:
Right, this week's candidate is 15 years of age and is called Earl Jackson.
Right now I would say his Playmaking capabilities are around the weak level.*If he develops well, I would say this chap can emerge with weak Defending before joining the senior squad.
Not exactly earth shattering but I will give him a shot.. he does have a twin and we found that his wing is at 4.1 [rolleyes]
just because a guy is young and has a solid cap it does not mean he does not suck!
Defending: weak (max unknown)
Playmaking:weak (max weak)
Winger: unknown (max weak)
Passing: unknown (max solid)
only gets 5 stars a forward.... he will never receive training in Def in my YA.. pretty much a waste of a lovely solid :(
This weeks pull has some promise as well..
We have an interesting prospect to evaluate. He goes by the name of Matthew Cornish and is 15.90 years old.
Without any further training, this player will remain with inadequate Playmaking. If he develops well, I would say this chap can emerge with passable Winger before joining the senior squad.
The kid has a clone as well so I know his passing is maxed at poor
The clone tells me that he is an allrounder inadequate...
We know his maxes on:
Wing = 6
Passing = 4
This leaves us 5-8 left over..
his current PM = 5 so he could possibly be up to solid right?
I know it is not likely but there would be a chance right?
socralynnek
12-09-2011, 09:37
Of course, there could be a chance. (You can be sure, that PM is one of the top 3 potentials, as you know only one other top potential it can be anywhere from inad to excellent). So I guess, it is worth it giving him the 3rd spot in your PM training scheme.
BTW, I will pull one solid GK at 17yo 0 d next week, and I will have another solid one with hopefully inad def and at least passable set pieces beginning of next season.
So, finally, it seems, I'll be making money with my youth school.
Update on Nick Rider...
He is now 16yr 4 days
Head Specialty
Keeper: (max wretched)
Defending:unknown (max weak)
Playmaking: inadequate (max solid)
Winger: passable (max solid)
Passing:inadequate (max inadequate)
Scoring: unknown (max weak)
His passing is not maxed out yet and HTYC says he should only have one more training needed at wing to pop to solid in wing.
I am training PM/PM currently to try to push through his main skill.
My plan is to get his main skills to the highest level (not necessarily maxed) and then decide what else to train on him. Will likely try to max everything out but would prefer at least to get him to his max level before worrying about sub levels.
I am 90% sure I will have to sell him.
What a guy. I miss those in my current youth squad.
both of my trainable players popped to passable PM after yesterdays match so.. woot!
Just had to pay 500K on fees for Florus Hogenhuis. That means that he sold for ...
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10 MILLION EURO!!!
For the first time in the history of Lucky Aggie a former youth player managed to reach the National Team. Florus -the man who sold for 10 million- is now officialy part of U-20 Nederland!
socralynnek
07-11-2011, 14:03
Congratulations!
My 16 year old goalkeeper now has solid GK, solid SP and inad def. But he is probably 2 weeks too old for the U20...
Congratulations!
My 16 year old goalkeeper now has solid GK, solid SP and inad def. But he is probably 2 weeks too old for the U20...But still... What a player!!!
socralynnek
08-11-2011, 09:40
I guess, I won't get 10 million for him in the current situation, but at least he should pay some seasons of youth squad...
I already have the next keeper in my squad who can reach solid, but his side skills are worse. So I can't complain for the moment...
Rider Update:
Nicholas Rider
16 years and 48 days [Head]
Keeper: unknown (max wretched)
Defending: weak (max weak)
Playmaking: passable (max solid)
Winger: passable (max solid)
Passing: inadequate (max inadequate)
Scoring: unknown (max weak)
Set pieces: unknown
Getting 8 stars at IM now and is listed as the 18th best IM in the US(for stars) in a YA.
He is:
1-2 matches away from solid in PM
1 match away from solid at Wing
5.5 at passing without being maxed
+159 min of training at DEF without being maxed.
This guy will be a cornerstone of my club for years to come. I have decided against selling him.
Wish I had such a player at this point. But I shouldn't complain too much.
I do have a player who is being followed by the U17 scouts, although I truly dpon't know why. I find him mediocre at best...:
Yip Eldering [youthplayerid=108243081]
16 years and 11 days
Keeper unknown / unknown
Defending weak / inadequate
Playmaking unknown / unknown
Winger inadequate / solid
Passing weak / weak
Scoring unknown / unknown
Set pieces unknown / unknown
I thought I try Yip Eldering on a midfield spot for a minute. He scores 7.5 stars there. Way to go! He appears to be better than I thought. I it weren't for the U17 scout I would have given up on him......
Rider Update:
Nicholas Rider
16 years and 48 days [Head]
Keeper: unknown (max wretched)
Defending: weak (max weak)
Playmaking: passable (max solid)
Winger: passable (max solid)
Passing: inadequate (max inadequate)
Scoring: unknown (max weak)
Set pieces: unknown
Getting 8 stars at IM now and is listed as the 18th best IM in the US(for stars) in a YA.
He is:
1-2 matches away from solid in PM
1 match away from solid at Wing
5.5 at passing without being maxed
+159 min of training at DEF without being maxed.
This guy will be a cornerstone of my club for years to come. I have decided against selling him.How is Rider doing?
My player Yip Eldering proves to be star-potential as well:
16 years and 49 days
Speciality: Unpredictable
Keeper unknown / unknown
Defending weak / inadequate
Playmaking unknown / solid
Winger solid / solid
Passing weak / weak
Scoring unknown / unknown
Set pieces unknown / unknown
Unpredictable isn't as great as head, but as winger it's an ok specialty.
He reached 7 stars as normal IM, so I think he's somewhere around passable PM already. Both the wing and passing aren't fully trained atm. Tomorrow he'll be playing as a midfielder, training PM and passing. When passing is fully trained he'll be training defensive positions as B-training.
He's being followed by the U-17 scouts. Should he be U-20 material then I will sell him. I don't have the right training regime/coach to train him myself then.
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My player Yip Eldering proves to be star-potential as well:
16 years and 49 days
Speciality: Unpredictable
Keeper unknown / unknown
Defending weak / inadequate
Playmaking unknown / solid
Winger solid / solid
Passing weak / weak
Scoring unknown / unknown
Set pieces unknown / unknown
Unpredictable isn't as great as head, but as winger it's an ok specialty.
He reached 7 stars as normal IM, so I think he's somewhere around passable PM already. Both the wing and passing aren't fully trained atm. Tomorrow he'll be playing as a midfielder, training PM and passing. When passing is fully trained he'll be training defensive positions as B-training.
He's being followed by the U-17 scouts. Should he be U-20 material then I will sell him. I don't have the right training regime/coach to train him myself then.
I just put a similar player on the market. Transfer compare gave him about 300K. His defending was worse but he has passable set pieces. ID # 338219576 . He is 17 + 35 days which is OK IMO. These 35 days really do not matter. I could have promoted him 3 weeks ago but he could not pop to solid playmaking up until this week despite being trained forever at passable. I think also at some point, he popped and then went back (could not promote him at that time) and then, did not want to pop again for some time.
With head specialty you may get more for him. Nice player!
With head specialty you may get more for him. Nice player!
Well, I'm not sure if specialty can contribute substantially to the price, may be $50K but probably no more than that. What will contribute in a negative way is that I put him on the market at around 3.30 am hattrick time when most of Europe is happily sleeping. And the deadline is on a workday. At least some people already started celebrating, so it might help a bit. I clicked through the buttons and then realized how stupid I was.
I have one more solid pm trainee coming which looks really promising. I think I try him in defending since it seems that defending is the most profitable secondary. IMO, he cannot get to solid winger (max probably passable-inadequate) and does not have set pieces. But he seems to be of good personality, may be has some leadership, not sure. May be, he has some passing, at least around weak already there. not sure if it is trainable.
Walter Sheets (112357956)
15 years and 93 days
Player skills
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown
Playmaking: passable (max solid)
Winger: weak (max unknown)
Passing: unknown
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
There are also two passable keepers coming out. I think I would have to train them to solid and sell only then. They are at almost 18 years both, so it is not that profitable but enough to pay for the youth squad.
There is still 2 hours to deadline and price looks quite good at $432,000. Turns out, the timing is not that bad because whole America (North and South) is playing friendlies.
Ok, the end point is 450K which is not bad considering the circumstances.
It doesn't surprise me. Multi-skill and specialty are key words these days. And "head" is the best.
Nice batch of players you have!
I pulled this player last weekend. A bit too old to get fully trained when he can be pulled but nice to look at nevertheless:
Redbad Pieck [youthplayerid=111782822]
16 years and 55 days
First day with club: 18-12-2011 08:38 (4 days ago)
Keeper unknown / unknown
Defending unknown / inadequate
Playmaking inadequate / solid
Winger unknown / unknown
Passing passable / excellent
Scoring unknown / unknown
Set pieces unknown / unknown
In my limited experience, the pop from passable to solid takes the longest time. And so far, I have not had a chance to get an excellent in any skill. Even though it is passing, and you cannot get him to train there by the age of 17, it still looks impressive.
I finally have an excelent prospect. Will be over 17 when I promot him but is good already.
Finally promoted my YA Stud!
Nicholas 'Easy' Rider (340389993)
USA 17 years and 2 days
In passable form, inadequate stamina.
A sympathetic guy who is temperamental and righteous.
Has wretched experience and poor leadership.
Has divine loyalty.
Speciality: Head
HTMS Points: Ability: 400 / Potential: 2039
Current skills
Keeper: 1/20 disastrous
Defending: 5/20 inadequate
Playmaking: 7/20 solid
Winger: 7/20 solid
Passing: 5/20 inadequate
Scoring: 3/20 poor
Set pieces: 2/20 wretched
Played him in one friendly so far and he popped up to inad Defending!
I took my 'free' HT credits to give him a nickname :P
socralynnek
13-01-2012, 09:34
BTW, I sold my solid GK, inad def, solid SP 17year 0 days old for 1 326 000 € a few weeks ago. That pays for a few seasons of youth academy
Got another GK trainee which is already solid with 16y32d but only weak def and inad SP, should still bring in some money.
You will keep that player Mistfit? Otherwise that nickname will be gone when you sell him AFAIK.
BTW, that guy is great! If you train him in PM, maybe I'll buy him for making him a winger later on...;-)
BTW, I sold my solid GK, inad def, solid SP 17year 0 days old for 1 326 000 € a few weeks ago. That pays for a few seasons of youth academy
Got another GK trainee which is already solid with 16y32d but only weak def and inad SP, should still bring in some money.
You will keep that player Mistfit? Otherwise that nickname will be gone when you sell him AFAIK.
BTW, that guy is great! If you train him in PM, maybe I'll buy him for making him a winger later on...;-)You could buy my player Eldering. You just have to wait for a few weeks ;-) Great price for your keeper!
An update, and a nice one for a change:
Walter Sheets (112357956)
16 years and 6 days
Player skills
Keeper: unknown
Defending: weak (max solid)
Playmaking: solid (max solid)
Winger: weak (max weak)
Passing: unknown (max weak)
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
He still has 106 days to go in YA and should be able to get to solid in defending although it is a long way there. I'm not sure what else I can do to improve him, may be try at some point secondary in set pieces?
You will keep that player Mistfit? Otherwise that nickname will be gone when you sell him AFAIK.
He will be with my team for LONG time. I plan to build my team around him, hence the nickname.
@akots. Do you know his top 3 skills? If you have the same luck as I have had recently his third skill will be in scoring. I have a few players now with Defending and Scoring as their top skills.. just a bit useless IMHO.
Today's pull has some potential:
I think I have spotted a future star here, to be honest. He told me his name is Michael Carranza and is 15.68 years old.
Without any further training, this player will remain with weak Defending. Given the chance to improve his Winger skills, this guy might well reach passable in that department.
Can I offer him a place at the academy?
... @akots. Do you know his top 3 skills? If you have the same luck as I have had recently his third skill will be in scoring. I have a few players now with Defending and Scoring as their top skills.. just a bit useless IMHO. ...
I usually check most of players as forwards but so far, the top I had was max passable. Which is not worth to switching training or even turning secondary training to scoring.
What good news from several sides. Great to see that you are doing well with your academy.
This is my latest pull:
Right, this week's candidate is 15 years of age (and 46 days) and is called Mats Winnen.
I would say as an allrounder, he's inadequate. If he develops well, I would say this chap can emerge with solid Playmaking before joining the senior squad. This player has inadequate Playmaking at this point in his career.
2nd and 3rd top skills won't be too superb, but at least I have another PM prospect. I have three youth player with potential solid in PM, two with potential passable. All of them will be barely 17 when they reach that level. Yip Eldering is the only one I will sell (due to U20 potential). The others will be trained to become the midfield of my A-team.
With 35 days until promotion, this is how Yip Eldering is doing:
Keeper unknown / unknown
Defending inadequate / inadequate
Playmaking passable / solid
Winger solid / solid
Passing weak / weak
Scoring unknown / unknown
Set pieces unknown / unknown
He will pop to solid PM before his 17th birthday!
I also have a keeper who can reach solid before his 17th birthday, a winger prospect (to reach solid wing and passing) and several players able to reach passable in a skill (defending, winger).
Sadly these players will not get the proper attention. I'll be training PM.
socralynnek
16-01-2012, 15:13
Nice ones. Tell me when you sell Eldering, but I guess prices will be too high for me (and I won't have an excellent coach to give him max possible training)
OK! You never know what the market will do, but the timing is perfect for me (he will be sold at the start of the new season).
A great report after a youth friendly:
Renzo Sturink keeps developing, his Playmaking ability is now passable. It's good to know our work has had an effect.
Some good news about Redbad Pieck, he is responding well to the Playmaking training sessions and is now solid.
Some good news about Mats Winnen, he is responding well to the Playmaking training sessions and is now passable.
Last weekend Eldering popped to solid PM and now I'm training him until he reaches his maximum there, meanwhile training Winnen and Pieck as well.
Eldering is one of the 15 best wingers according to the U17 scouts. I hope he'll be more than that and that he'll reach the U20. We'll see.
Yip Eldering will be promoted and sold next week:
Yip Eldering (108243081)
16 years and 105 days, Next birthday: 20-02-2012
Speciality: Unpredictable
Player skills
Keeper: unknown
Defending: inadequate (max inadequate)
Playmaking: solid (7.3) (max solid)
Winger: solid (max solid)
Passing: weak (4.3) (max weak)
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
He will be fielded in the first cup match and get PM-training. With that he'll be mid-solid PM.
Still unknown if he'll be a U20 prospect though.
Yip Eldering ...
... Still unknown if he'll be a U20 prospect though.
Well, I just got a mail that he won't be selected for U20. With that info I decided to keep him, because home-grown players are extremely important these days.
socralynnek
15-02-2012, 09:44
Wow, do you have that many better players in NL, that they already can be sure now, even if some drop out of training? Maybe I should bet some money on NL winning a medal in the World Cup after the next.
Well, they have two similar wingers with head specialty and two similar wingers with quick specialty. Four wingers 'better' than Eldering.
For my other diamond, Florus Hogenhuis, the U20 adventure may end in a nightmare. With one game to go it seems that U20 NL won't appear in the World Cup. This due to a very very tough quali group. It's a shame. He now has 13 games for U20. It could have gone up to more than 20, but now it seems that his international carreer is over.
edit: still unsure about keeping Eldering though. He has the perfect age for U20 and several managers with excellent trainers may be unaware of the fact that he doesn't meet the requirements for U20 atm... This might mean that he will be worth a lot. What is more important: a lot of cash or a superb home-grown player? The million dollar question for me...
Sell him, IMO. He can get injured or get redcarded frequently or you would like to change your training but won't be able to just because of him.
Well, those are great arguments but in 7 weeks time another youth prospect will be promoted. So then I will have two of them.
0.5 level added to PM, defending, passing and wing sounds very interesting to me.
I already planned to train playmaking and passing for 4 seasons or so, so Yip would fit perfectly in that picture...
I really don't know what to do...
Yay! Just got a mail that Yip will be in the U20-program after all! So it's settled. I will sell him...
Yip is 17:
Experience disastrous
Leadership disastrous
Unpredictable
TSI 1890
Keeper disastrous
Defending inadequate
Playmaking solid [7.3]
Winger solid
Passing weak [4.3]
Scoring poor
Set pieces disastrous
He'll be put on the market tomorrow afternoon. Starting price will be 1 M. I suspect that people here might have a chance to buy him despite the fact that the U20-organization wants him....
Congrats.. that kid is a stud!
He should be able to fetch a decent price. Please tell us how it went.
Yip is on sale now.. 343516699
Strangely enough if you look at his transfer compare you find another Dutch 17 yr old that went for 1.3 mil USD
Diant Wayenberg (343143484)
Good week for Dutch youth a guess :D
Yip is on sale now.. 343516699
Strangely enough if you look at his transfer compare you find another Dutch 17 yr old that went for 1.3 mil USD
Diant Wayenberg (343143484)
Good week for Dutch youth a guess :D
Let's hope so... Diant Wayenberg is powerful and therefore not interesting for the U20-project. He went to a team with an excellent trainer though, although being Danish.
Yesterday I got bad tidings. Yip might not be picked up for U20 NL after all. The team that should buy him and train him wants a header or quick player instead. This after I put him on sale for an agreed minimum price.........
Shabbaman
22-02-2012, 09:57
This after I put him on sale for an agreed minimum price.........
As I am filthy rich and training wingers anyway, I wouldn't be against it to buy him. I don't see how I could ever make money from this guy though, 1M is a steep price. I pick up wingers like this as trainees, but usually I look for passable or inadequate PM. At world/class supernatural wing two levels of PM (well, PM levels this low) doesn't seem to impact transfer value enough to warrant the higher price of solid PM.
As I am filthy rich and training wingers anyway, I wouldn't be against it to buy him. I don't see how I could ever make money from this guy though, 1M is a steep price. I pick up wingers like this as trainees, but usually I look for passable or inadequate PM. At world/class supernatural wing two levels of PM (well, PM levels this low) doesn't seem to impact transfer value enough to warrant the higher price of solid PM.Obviously you are completely on the right track regarding this. I also look for inad/passable including a great specialty. With current training speed levels this seems to be the most valid way forward.
Already someone bid 1.5M (probably a U20-coach after all). So he's now only interesting for people who want such a potential national team player.
Shabbaman
22-02-2012, 11:44
Good for you!
The guy bidding on him has an excellent coach so that is a good sign that you can expect him to be treated well as far as training goes..
btw.. you think your 'mummy' of a coach will ever heal?
June 22nd last year my coach got a nasty blow on the chin (by a Shabba player who didn't even get a card.........). So my guess is he won't heal. Only if I'd promote him to HoF, but without supporter that's difficult... Luckily we won the Shabba game.
kinda fun having a mummy for a coach though.. might get your team some sympathy from opposing squads... awe.. look they have a crippled old guy for a coach!
On another note I did post Yip in a winger fed.. I was hoping to spur on more interest in him for you :D Hope you don't mind
I don't mind at all! Thanks!
btw.. do you still track the +/- of your YA in money?
If so what will an additional 1.5 mil USD do for your total?
I don't know exactly what my total sales nr was (in that thread of the YA fed) when supporter ended. I believe 25M or so. In that case my total income now is 27.2M. For about a year the income was average at best. Yip is a jackpot again and more players will follow [:)]
Shabbaman
24-02-2012, 11:28
Waaaaaaaaaaaaah, what should I do with this guy:
Megiel Dikmans (344263700)
17 years and 31 days, Next birthday: 15-05-2012
In passable form, inadequate stamina.
A sympathetic guy who is fiery and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership.
Has divine loyalty.
Owner: Shabba FC (since 24-02-2012)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 750
Wage: 570 €/week
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Speciality: Quick
Current skills
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: weak
Playmaking: solid
Winger: passable
Passing: weak
Scoring: wretched
Set pieces: poor
Well, perhaps this is a guy you want to keep since you are training winger...
socralynnek
24-02-2012, 13:25
I agree with Aggie, train him yourself.
Shabbaman
24-02-2012, 13:42
Yes, but the fiery and dishonest ticks me off... although it might not be so bad for my 3rd or 4th training spot (where with some luck he might injure more of your players in the CDZ cup), I doubt I'd play him in my first team. Not to mention that my first-team wingers have brilliant PM...
On the other hand, transfer compare doesn't show me a lot. Prices range from 100k to 300k, and that seems too low to be worth selling him. Perhaps I should simply list him for 500k, and train him if I don't sell him?
IMO, you can get 150-200K for him. He does not seem to be worth keeping... that all consideirng the CDZ cup and things. IMO. [evil]
IMO, you can get 150-200K for him. He does not seem to be worth keeping... that all consideirng the CDZ cup and things. IMO. [evil]You may get more for him, because he is quick. Good idea trying to sell him for 500K and keeping him if that doesn't work. TSI is high imho, so perhaps he's close to excellent?
edit: Yip sold for 1.5M in the end. 3rd on my list of best youth sales.
Shabbaman
25-02-2012, 10:03
A former team from my div bought him. I've put him on the TL. If he is high solid PM, I'd have to switch training to make use of that. But his TSI is very high indeed.
I have a new gem!!
I think I have spotted a future star here, to be honest. He told me his name is Ingo van der Woude and is 15 years (and 88 days...) old.
Without any further training, this player will remain with weak Winger. His overall abilities are passable, in my opinion. Given the chance to improve his Winger skills, this guy might well reach passable in that department.
And besides the gem we recruted yesterday we also promoted Renzo Sturink:
Renzo Sturink
17 years and 1 days
A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has wretched experience and passable leadership.
Total Skill Index (TSI): 510
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: wretched
Playmaking: passable
Winger: weak
Passing: inadequate
Scoring: poor
Set pieces: disastrous
We'll keep him. A first for our youth academy players.
I now have promoted 7 players from my YA that will be getting training in my senior club. It took about 12 weeks but I will be trying to maximize that 'homegrown' bonus to its fullest.
Shabbaman
07-03-2012, 10:40
Good idea trying to sell him for 500K and keeping him if that doesn't work.
Sold him for 566k. Seems a good price.
I have a couple of pretty decent prospects I need to brag about..
Bryan Hayward (116600944)
16 years and 21 days, Next birthday: 6-6-2012
Player can be promoted 91 days later, on 6/6/2012.
Team: Mini Mistfits
Nationality: USA
First day with club: 1-8-2012 13.39 (59 days ago)
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Keeper unknown / unknown
Defending unknown / weak
Playmaking weak / unknown
Winger unknown / solid
Passing unknown / weak
Scoring unknown / weak
Set pieces unknown / unknown
Karl Mahoney (114559460)
16 years and 24 days, Next birthday: 6-3-2012
Player can be promoted 88 days later, on 6/3/2012.
Team: Mini Mistfits
Nationality: USA
First day with club: 12-4-2011 15.54 (93 days ago)
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Keeper unknown / wretched
Defending inadequate / inadequate
Playmaking weak / weak
Winger passable / solid
Passing unknown / wretched
Scoring unknown / poor
Set pieces unknown / unknown
They are both getting 6.5 stars playing normal wing so I am hoping that Hayward also is around passable wing.. this will be a case with Mahoney that I will be done with his training well before he is ready to promote.. These guys are not "Easy" Rider type players but still should bring in some extra cash. Especially if I can find a spec
Pretty decent indeed. My new gem had 6.5 as mid in Friday's match. The training report showed that he's powerful and can reach inad passing. Combined with the max of passable wing and 6.5 stars as mid I conclude that he can reach solid/excellent in playmaking.
I can now add this guy into the mix for training at some point..
Brad Tolliver
15 years and 75 days
Keeper: unknown
Defending: weak/solid
Playmaking: ???
Winger: weak/passable
Passing: ??/poor
Scoring: ??/weak
Set pieces: unknown
Guy had a twin so he will not have a spec either but again I will not complain about a solid cap in my YA [mistfit] <-- hey what happened to my emoticon?
His age is good, you should be able to train him fully to maximum at least in defending and most of the way to winger.
I finally have some fresh youth with passable keeper and passable defender. However, both of the skills appear to be weak and I might not have enough time to train him fully bacause he is around 16 years. That might be my home grown keeper trainee.
Good news from HTYC. They have automated almost everything through the CHPP system. No excuses that it takes too long and is too difficult to keep up!
HTYC Blog (http://blog.hattrick-youthclub.org/2012/03/19/player-import-and-tracking/)
Yes I was pleasantly surprised when I logged in yesterday and got a huge auto-update.
Good news from HTYC. They have automated almost everything through the CHPP system. No excuses that it takes too long and is too difficult to keep up!
HTYC Blog (http://blog.hattrick-youthclub.org/2012/03/19/player-import-and-tracking/)
That sounds good!
Jerome Banda (120998295)
15 years and 31 days, Next birthday: 6-21-2012
Speciality: Quick
Player skills
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown
Playmaking: unknown
Winger: unknown
Passing: weak (max unknown)
Scoring: unknown (max excellent)
Set pieces: unknown
Trainer comments
Trainer hasn't made any comments about this player yet or has forgotten about his last comments
Scout Comment
Jerome Banda looks promising. He is 15 years old and seems to have something extra.
I would say as an allrounder, he's inadequate. Given the chance to improve his Scoring skills, this guy might well reach excellent in that department. Without any further training, this player will remain with weak Passing.
This is a little speedball - always on the move, and faster than most. I hope he can learn to use that ability on the field...[quick]
Top it off with the fact that he is Q14 and can you say "cha-ching"?
Do we sign him, boss?
Erm.. hell yeah!
That guy should bring you tons and tons of cash. [beer1]
I have not had a single excellent YS player in the new YA. I went through probably around 100-120 players or more and this means that having an excellent guy is around 1% probability or even less.
socralynnek
02-04-2012, 08:39
Congratulations: I only had once an excellent cap but the guy was already 17 when I got him in the YA. So: Congratulations! (It's a little sad though, that he probably won't have solid passing, looking at his allrounder qualities, but I guess, that is not something to really complaing about...)
BTW, pulled a 17 years 0 days solid keeper yesterday.
yeah no solid passing but I am not looking that gift horse in the mouth.
Jerome Banda (120998295)
15 years and 38 days, Next birthday: 6-21-2012
Player can be promoted 186 days later, on 10/11/2012.
Speciality: Quick
Team: Mini Mistfits
Nationality: USA
First day with club: 4-1-2012 16.46 (7 days ago)
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Player skills
Keeper:
2/8-1/2 unknown (max wretched)
Defending: unknown
Playmaking: poor (max unknown)
Winger:weak (max inadequate)
Passing: weak (max inadequate)
Scoring: unknown (max excellent)
Set pieces: unknown
Next is to find out his current scoring and his max PM (my guess is weak)
Pieck got promoted today:
Redbad Pieck
Netherlands 17 years and 52 days
A sympathetic guy who is balanced and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership.
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 980
Speciality: Head
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: inadequate
Playmaking: solid
Winger: weak (almost inad...)
Passing: excellent
Scoring: poor
Set pieces: passable
My strongest YA player ever, be it a bit old. I will keep him, I'm training PM anyway!!!!!
Pieck got promoted today:
Redbad Pieck
Netherlands 17 years and 52 days
A sympathetic guy who is balanced and dishonest.
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership.
Total Skill Index (TSI): 2 980
Speciality: Head
Keeper: disastrous
Defending: inadequate
Playmaking: solid
Winger: weak (almost inad...)
Passing: excellent
Scoring: poor
Set pieces: passable
My strongest YA player ever, be it a bit old. I will keep him, I'm training PM anyway!!!!!
nice: I got some new 15 yo thta can get to passable scoring
That dude is a stud Aggie!
Especially nice with the 1.5 per skill bump.. having an Excellent +0.5 and formidable +0.5 Passing at 17y 53d is pretty killer!
socralynnek
10-04-2012, 13:27
That dude is a stud Aggie!
Especially nice with the 1.5 per skill bump.. having an Excellent +0.5 and formidable +0.5 Passing at 17y 53d is pretty killer!
Especially as he is playing at excellent, but training like solid!
I guess, that guy can help you in the first team quite fast, Aggie!
Yes, I hope that Pieck can grow into a cornerstone of my team. This does mean though that I'll play the game for at least 10 more seasons.
After Renzo Sturink Pieck is my 2nd homegrown PM in my A-team. This may be the 3rd:
Ingo van der Woude
16 years and 12 days
Speciality: Powerful
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown (max poor)
Playmaking: inadequate (max solid)
Winger: weak (max passable)
Passing: inadequate (max inadequate)
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
And another player may be sold, but I'm undecided atm. He could still make my A-squad as well. Which would mean I have 4 homegrown playmakers, which would be very nice:
Mats Winnen
16 years and 19 days
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown (max wretched)
Playmaking: solid (max solid)
Winger: unknown (max poor)
Passing: poor (max poor)
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
Looks like Winnen's scoring skill is somewhere between inad and solid, because as allrounder he's inad. But I haven't got the opportunity to train that fully with Ingo van der Woude also in the YA.
I have joined and help run a Federation in HT aimed towards Homegrown Teams.
It is interesting that we have teams from the bottom leagues like me all the way to the top series in some countries trying to work out homegrown plans for their teams.
I will have 7 homegrown players long term in my plan which will be pretty cool and should be wage efficient.
A federation I would join if I were a supporter. I must say that I'm thinking about doing that with the new announcements made by HT.
socralynnek
11-04-2012, 14:38
BTW, I have pulled a 17 year 80 d player with solid wing and passable passing.
Will train him in my own squad in winging.
got good news on my stud striker.. I should have no problems training him up in scoring passing and wing with some left over time for any PM he might have...
Jerome Banda
15 years and 44 days [Quick]
Keeper:
2/8-1/2 unknown (max wretched)
Defending: unknown
Playmaking: poor (max unknown)
Winger: weak (max inadequate)
Passing: weak (max inadequate)
Scoring:inadequate (max excellent)
An extract from Hattrick Youthclub's latest blog post.
HTYC Blog (http://blog.hattrick-youthclub.org/2012/04/16/new-twin-page-and-increased-twin-recognition-rate-for-ht-supporters/)
Additionally to this new page, we were able to increase the twin recognition rate for HT Supporters. Player Avatars are the best and safest way to detect twins, therefore HT Users who are not HT Supporter cannot profit from Twins that much. For them we also have a small chance to get a twin, but it is comparative low.
In some analysis we figured out, that we could improve the twin recognition rate for HT Supporters from 25% to 33%. That means, that now for each third player in HT one twin exists, of course for some players exists more than one twin and therefore you cannot assume to have 5 players with a twin in your team with 16 players in total. The rate will be lower and of course some will not have a single player in their team with a twin for weeks. For non-HT Supporters those rates are way smaller, we have not made an analysis there, but i assume the rate is reasonable smaller than 5%.
For me it found 2 extra twins.. no real exciting info but this should make the YA even easier to plan.
Yes, there was a bug with my YA player. He showed passable defending and never popped but today I promoted him and his defending is solid. WTF, however, I don't mind. He will be on the market tomorrow with about 800K starting tag. His potential also is very high. So far, I have had only guys with maximum of 1900. 2036 should fetch a decent price.
Walter Sheets [playerid=349669532]
17 years and 0 days, Next birthday: 8-20-2012
Nationality: USA
In passable form, weak stamina.
A nasty fellow who is tranquil and upright.
Has wretched experience and weak leadership.
Has divine loyalty.
Owner: Chemists (since 4-30-2012 (11/48), 0d)
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 350
Wage: 430 US$/week 6 880 US$/season
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
HTMS Points: Ability: 395 / Potential: 2036
Keeper - disastrous
Defending - solid
Playmaking - solid
Winger - weak
Passing - weak
Scoring - poor
Set pieces- poor
I think he is not nasty, did not have cards or other bad notes.
I know a nasty fellow when I see one :D
Good luck on the sale!
@ Akots - I got the U20/NT federation people to send out this kid to their "dedicated NT" trainers list. Hopefully that will spur some interest on him and keep him in the US or at least at a team that is likely to train him correctly :D
Anyone need a youth series to join ASAP?
I am part of a fed that has a tiered YA system. We have 10 series of YA teams that play 6 team leagues. You can move up the chain if you win.
Message me soon if you are interested.
The current bidder on this kid is one of the U20 "farm" guys that are set up with excellent coaches so at minimum you should see the kid trained properly :D
You mean chaunceymo apparently? I have not had dealings with him previously, so I don't know. Of course, I don't want the player to get to some daytrader who will resell him immediately but if this happens, I'm not going to interfere. The problem with daytraders is that they are not going to train him properly (mostly, they should have stamina at 15% or more) and this would decrease potential and subsequent sales. But keeping stamina at 5% requires considerable sacrifice of performance in older players and I'm not that committed to training to settle down firmly in Div5.
We'll see how it goes because the deadline is set to 7am CET and some Eastern European buyer may show up.
Both Chauncey and Daniel--P are both dedicated trainers with excellent coaches for the U20. Chauncey put the initial bid as he knew he would be away for the majority of the day but did not want him to pass without a bid.
Ok, now I know, thanks! Daniel got him for 816K. I'll try to follow up, we'll see what happens. The main problem for him might be to get through without injuries or other interruptions. The, he might be able to get to U20 and maybe, further on.
BTW, Daniel missed only 3 flags out of 128, - Palestine, Surinam, and Yemen. Pretty impressive collection there.
Congrats with this U20 prospect!
Here is an update on my Future U20 Stud!
Jerome Banda (120998295)
15 years and 107 days, Next birthday: 6-21-2012
Player can be promoted 117 days later, on 10/11/2012.
Speciality: Quick
Player skills:
Keeper: unknown (max wretched)
Defending: unknown (max poor)
Playmaking: poor (max poor)
Winger: inadequate (maxed at 5.1)
Passing: inadequate (max inadequate) 5.2 right now
Scoring: solid (max excellent)
Set pieces: unknown
Amazing part of this kid is that HTYC tells me he should pop to excellent scoring in ~6 matches.. he has around 20 matches left til he can promote at 17.0 yrs old. I am actually thinking I will try to train SP on this kid as I really don't have much else to concentrate on in the YA.
I am hoping for a nice payday on this one!
Here is an update on my Future U20 Stud!
Jerome Banda (120998295)
15 years and 107 days, Next birthday: 6-21-2012
Player can be promoted 117 days later, on 10/11/2012.
Speciality: Quick
Player skills:
Keeper: unknown (max wretched)
Defending: unknown (max poor)
Playmaking: poor (max poor)
Winger: inadequate (maxed at 5.1)
Passing: inadequate (max inadequate) 5.2 right now
Scoring: solid (max excellent)
Set pieces: unknown
Amazing part of this kid is that HTYC tells me he should pop to excellent scoring in ~6 matches.. he has around 20 matches left til he can promote at 17.0 yrs old. I am actually thinking I will try to train SP on this kid as I really don't have much else to concentrate on in the YA.
I am hoping for a nice payday on this one!
What a man!
I do have a couple of players to concentrate on:
Tomas Cromvoort
16 years and 10 days
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown (max weak)
Playmaking: inadequate (max unknown)
Winger: unknown
Passing: unknown (max poor)
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
Albertus Nok
16 years and 14 days
Keeper: unknown
Defending: poor (max poor)
Playmaking: inadequate (max solid)
Winger: unknown (max wretched)
Passing: unknown (max poor)
Scoring: unknown (inad allrounder, so probably inad/passable at scoring)
Set pieces: unknown
Ingo van der Woude
16 years and 81 days [Powerful]
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown (max poor)
Playmaking: solid (7.5) (max solid), not maxed
Winger: inadequate (max passable)
Passing: inadequate (max inadequate)
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
Mats Winnen
16 years and 88 days
Keeper: unknown
Defending: wretched (max wretched)
Playmaking: solid 7,7 (max solid), maxed
Winger: unknown (max poor)
Passing: poor (max poor)
Scoring: unknown (max weak)
Set pieces: unknown
Ronny Ploeger
17 years and 41 days, 41 days unil promotion...
Keeper: unknown
Defending: unknown (max solid)
Playmaking: solid (max solid)
Winger: poor (max poor)
Passing: unknown (max weak)
Scoring: unknown
Set pieces: unknown
Besides this we have a couple of players with potential in other skills, but they will not be trained fully...
Wow.. I only really have the one kid right now and I was happy with that! Congrats!
oh wait.. you quit didn't you? still nice players
New addition to the YA today is a winner!
I passed on first scout offering wretched scoring poor defending 15 yr old (possible keeper?) and got this:
We have an interesting prospect to evaluate. He goes by the name of Manuel Durán and is 15.51 years old.
Right now I would say his Scoring capabilities are around the poor level. I would say as an allrounder, he's inadequate. If he develops well, I would say this chap can emerge with solid Winger before joining the senior squad.
This kind of player is useful, he is very quick, now all he needs to learn is to play football as well.
Can I offer him a place at the academy?
Jerome Banda (365231717)
In passable form, weak stamina.
A nasty fellow who is balanced and upright.
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership.
Has divine loyalty.
Total Skill Index (TSI): 1 490
Wage: 490 US$/week
7 840 US$/season
Warnings: 0
Injuries: Healthy
Speciality: Quick
HTMS Points: Ability: 356 / Potential: 1992
Highest bid: 1 850 005 US$
Current skills
Keeper: 1/20 disastrous
Defending: 3/20 poor
Playmaking: 3/20 poor
Winger: 5/20 inadequate
Passing: 5/20 inadequate
Scoring: 8/20 excellent
Set pieces: 4/20 weak
Woot Woot!!!!
Shabbaman
14-11-2012, 09:25
I got a solid winger/passable PM with the age of 17 years and 35 days out of the tombola. Saves me the hassle of finding a new trainee.
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