Online CIV...

[Darkness]

I've just played an online game (small map, 7 civs).
Fun game, until someone starts gaining an advantage. Then everyone just quits (except me and the score leader). Really annoying. :( It was actually a pretty nice game. Then the guy who had the advantage also quits... [???] Why start a game when you don't want to finish it (after maybe an hour of play)... [aargh]

Well, I guess this experience should teach me not to play online civ against people I don't know. [rolleyes]

OK, thanks for listening to my silly frustrations.
I really did like the speed of the game though. Much faster in seeing your plans develop than pitboss.

[digger760]

I played an online game once, 4 hours of warfare, i was mentally exhausted, + then a few people quit including the leader...i dont think i'll be doing that again.

[Darkness]

quote:Originally posted by digger760

I played an online game once, 4 hours of warfare, i was mentally exhausted, + then a few people quit including the leader...i dont think i'll be doing that again.


Me neither, but now that I think about it: An online game with only CDZ players would be fun. Maybe we could plan something like that on a weekend or evening (time differences might be problematic, but perhaps if only people in the same time zone played (or close to it) could make this work...

[BCLG100]

I'd be up for it, i played an online game against mauer once and it was fun.

[Matrix]

I participated in that one too I think, BCLG100. I didn't like it, because we played simultaneous moves and a lot depended on who clicked faster. (And even when I knew I had to click fast, with the new turn a window popped up on what to build next. [aargh])

[Darkness]

quote:Originally posted by Matrix

I participated in that one too I think, BCLG100. I didn't like it, because we played simultaneous moves and a lot depended on who clicked faster. (And even when I knew I had to click fast, with the new turn a window popped up on what to build next. [aargh])


Pitboss is simultaneous moves too...
What do you think happens when two warring civs come online at the same time?
Or the LAN games we played at Beams' place last summer? Same thing, IMHO..

[BCLG100]

Oh, well then i guess i was in more than one as i do remember playing mauer by myself,

[IanDC]

For a place for online play in a more ordered environment where quitting is actively discouraged.

http://league.civplayers.com/?section=home

[akots]

I regularly play MP games, not though through gamespy lobby but either in tourneys or just with people I know well. It is fun and if there are 2-3 players, you can make it turn-based and not simultaneous. One can join the ladder and have more fun there.

[Matrix]

quote:Originally posted by Darkness

Pitboss is simultaneous moves too...
What do you think happens when two warring civs come online at the same time?
Or the LAN games we played at Beams' place last summer? Same thing, IMHO..
Well, that doesn't annoy me any less. That's why I always try to make no DM deals. I have to admit I'm a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to fair play, although I don't like to make a fuss about it either.

You could play simultaneous moves, but agree to move in turn once war is declared. It really works when you agree with all players that once someone wants to attack he silently waits until everybody else has moved, then declares war and makes his moves. The next turn the defender moves before the attacker (as he basically did the previous turn), as well as in all subsequent turns, until there's peace again.

[Darkness]

quote:Originally posted by Matrix



You could play simultaneous moves, but agree to move in turn once war is declared. It really works when you agree with all players that once someone wants to attack he silently waits until everybody else has moved, then declares war and makes his moves. The next turn the defender moves before the attacker (as he basically did the previous turn), as well as in all subsequent turns, until there's peace again.


IMHO that seems like forcing a turn-based approach on something that is not intended as such. It seems counter-intuitive to me.

[Matrix]

"not intended"? Our intentions are our own. And it really sounds more complex than it is. The only use of playing turn based is for when you are at war, which is usually a small proportion of the time, so that makes it a huge waste of time.

[Darkness]

quote:Originally posted by Matrix

"not intended"? Our intentions are our own. And it really sounds more complex than it is. The only use of playing turn based is for when you are at war, which is usually a small proportion of the time, so that makes it a huge waste of time.


I understand what you mean. It's just that our opinions differ here. Simultaneous moves (and also pitboss) are not turn-based (doesn't the name "simultaneous moves" sort of define that already?). I can't see any reason to divert from the basics of multiplayer CIV to make it more like PBEM or single player CIV.

[mauer]

So are yous guys gonna try and plan a CDZ session then? I'm really not into Civ here lately, but an online game sounds fun.

[Robi D]

quote:Originally posted by Darkness

I've just played an online game (small map, 7 civs).
Fun game, until someone starts gaining an advantage. Then everyone just quits (except me and the score leader). Really annoying. :( It was actually a pretty nice game. Then the guy who had the advantage also quits... [???] Why start a game when you don't want to finish it (after maybe an hour of play)... [aargh]

Well, I guess this experience should teach me not to play online civ against people I don't know. [rolleyes]

OK, thanks for listening to my silly frustrations.
I really did like the speed of the game though. Much faster in seeing your plans develop than pitboss.


That pretty much sums up my experiences. The only way to see a game through is to play with people you know or on a ladder. Both have their downsides, people you know may not be available to play when you are and some of those ladder guys take it way too seriously, but either of those is way better then people giving up when they start to fall behind

[Robi D]

quote:Originally posted by Matrix

I participated in that one too I think, BCLG100. I didn't like it, because we played simultaneous moves and a lot depended on who clicked faster. (And even when I knew I had to click fast, with the new turn a window popped up on what to build next. [aargh])


You can disable those, plus there is a number of options you can enable that are specific to online play like stack attack.

[killercane]

quote:Originally posted by Matrix

I participated in that one too I think, BCLG100. I didn't like it, because we played simultaneous moves and a lot depended on who clicked faster. (And even when I knew I had to click fast, with the new turn a window popped up on what to build next. [aargh])

That one was semi fun. We even switched teams around when some had to leave. Mauer crushed everyone iirc.

[mauer]

quote:Originally posted by killercane
Mauer crushed everyone iirc.

I don't think I really crushed everyone. I killed someone early on, forgot who. From then on people kept jumping in and out of the game, musical chairs and all.