View Full Version : *Spoiler* Masters of Arboria
If your any of these people and your not dead, make like all the trees in this game and leaf.
Indiansmoke - Elizabeth of Babylon
IanDC - Wang Kon of Mali
Whiplash CDC - Peter of Arabia
Gigaz - Washington of the Mayans
Elcad - Huayna Capac of India
Levgre - Pacal II of the Malinese
Burlicconi - Hannibal of Mali
Oyzar - Alexander of ethiopia
Classical Hero - Darius of HRE
Hesterate - Boudica of Ethiopia
KillerCane - Elizabeth of India
Bamf226 - Sitting Bull of China
Dandrige - Mansa Musa of India
Amask - Willem of the Zulu
Unconquered Sun - Hannibal of the Native Americans
Bjarkekr - SALADIN of babylon
BCLG100 - Ragnar of India
Mauer - Suryavarman of Sumeria
Ok so i settled in place- not a brilliant start really as i only have one hill after de forestation.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2553/civ4screenshot0035mj4.jpg]
So i quickly researched to BW to get rid of that forest and hunting to use all the deer that will be on this map!
Build queue was warrior-warrior-worker. I pumped out the two warriors so i could grow to size 2 and then sent out the initial warrior and first build warrior exploring whilst the other remained in my capital.
I finished the initial tech and build plan this turn, so now working on a rax then a warrior then pumping out a couple of settlers and by that point will have hopefully got IW so i can see if i can find some metal.
My first warrior i sent scouting south and he opened up a map which showed me directions to gitbliss of the babylons, he also got a hut with free exp, i gave him the woodsmens (obviously). After waiting on gitbliss's border for him to take his turn the warrior struck in what was just going to be a looksee to see if the capital was empty- it was, gitbliss is dead and i, due to the low difficulty level and high map size have another city after 14 turns.
[IMG]http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4281/civ4screenshot0036ht3.jpg
My second scouting warrior got a map revealing where another babylonian civ was-
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4932/civ4screenshot0037ku8.jpg
so i should be finding them next turn.
another reason for keeping the other capital was the handily avaliable silver to both cities
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2724/civ4screenshot0039pi4.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1434/civ4screenshot0038vh6.jpg
I've also met burlesconi (never heard of him) and cane who is apparantly getting warrior rushed by whiplash.
thats it for the time being i think.
9 Whole views- whoah you people are loving this spoiler think 3 of them might be me!
So this is my second capital- still absolutly balls as it had nothing i could use within its immediate vicinity- check out the aggressive placing of my neighbour! his capital is about 15-20 tiles away, more on that later.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6892/civ4screenshot0055qg9.jpg
I am almost effecitvly treating this as two empires that i control therefore i'll do a bit on the second empire first.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4093/civ4screenshot0059ra0.jpg
I'm planning on csettling here to nab the iron from under his gaze- due to my espionage points being enough for me to see his power graph i dont think he knows IW is there and merely moved there to get ahold of the silver. Regardless after settling the iron connecting it i'll be chopping out the swords. The only negative will be that he does have a promoted skirmisher ontop of a hill- i havent done calculations yet but i think i'll need at least 5 to be sure of killing one.
If i dont manage to get that then i have to hope i can get this spot
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2251/civ4screenshot0060en7.jpg
Its near iandc but very close quarters in this game so hopefully i can get one of those two iron deposits- i'd prefer the first as its closer so i can get the swords on the go quicker as that city will be very hard to reinforce/connect to any metal supply he may have.
I've also agreed a line of no settle in the south with Usun (native americans) which i was quite happy to do as i don't want to be seeing them dogs we've also agreed to peace till 500ad
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6969/civ4screenshot0064ls7.jpg[/URL]
its the ivory line completly north, he gets the ivory but theres far more land on my side to work with.
Primary Empire.
I've managed to establish the beginnings of some form of ring about my capital.
Em- silver in (she liked that) iron and deer, as soon as it hits size 3 im cranking out a worker then perhaps another settler seeing how things go.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9617/civ4screenshot0056ly2.jpg
My other city
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/4784/civ4screenshot0057bp8.jpg
was originally going to be a bit further north but was too late to the punchso in the end settled there in the hope of grabbing the silver eventually but right now will still be a pretty good settler/worker pump as it is.
I've agreed a settle line with my nearest neighbour Levgree
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8063/civ4screenshot0062bx8.jpg
Basically we can only settle one back from where our borders join up all the way north and south
To that end there is a planned city further north which after a border pop will have gems and corn plus quite a few hills (for aboria)
Theres a settler on its way and should arrive in 2 turns.
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9725/civ4screenshot0063sk3.jpg
The capital just finished building the settler and once the revolution has finished (slavery) will be cranking out an archer and then just solid swords (3 turns) with a couple of axes (2 turns) mixed in every now and then. Reasons for this have probably become apparant.
I have sorted out peace treaties with every single person i've found the territory of (Classical hero, oyzar etc seem to far away to really do anything about me so far) except for one, burloccini. This could come back to bite me in the arse but i dont think it will as he only has 3 (well 2 neighbours) primary empire, empire 2 and levgree. Levgree has already told me he's going to be too busy city spamming to do anything else for awhile. I was already considering it but his aggressive settling convinced me- especially as he has silver in his capital radius. Right now we have roughly equal power (im slightly ahead) but that is probably as he has a few skirmishers dotted about whilst all i have is warriors so far.
The settler that i'll probably build in em will build a city to act as a halfway house for me to transport troops down- i aim to move in with about 10-15 swords and axes which should take about 30ish turns to make, i appreciate this is a long time especially on quick but i dont think he'll be doing much to further his defence in that time.
heres the demographics
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9725/civ4screenshot0061ln9.jpg
someone is beating me in mfg which i find amazing due to my number of cities etc but ohwell it certainly isnt burloccini as his mfg seems to be about a third of mine whilst we have roughly equal food.
anyways- any thoughts from you guys?
Thats a lot of trees is it a specific map type?
As for your plan you look to have everything under control
Yeah its an arboria map- forgot to mention that in the first post.
So copper is generally hard to find but iron is everywhere- that didn't stop levgree getting it in his big fat cross, another reason why i chose to hit on burloccini as opposed to others!
Theres a worker on the silver with burloccini- im not sure whether to rob it and then to wait until cats before attacking completly or to just leave it and proceed with the original plan? what do you guys think?
In other news apparantly all players at cdz involved in this game are collaberating together...first i've heard of it i'll admit, haven't even met cody!
As if anyone didn't guess- i stold the worker! :)
Don't know if i managed to keep it yet as they have this ridiculous log in once a turn crazy stuff going on. will see what happens!
Shabbaman
02-04-2008, 15:52
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
In other news apparantly all players at cdz involved in this game are collaberating together...
Absurd. You guys should be at each others throat instead of helping each other like a bunch of tea drinking carebears. What's next, clantags? Pah!
If you already have a decent force I'd go with capturing the worker. Early in the game it's a major hit, and if your catapults get spotted before you strike you've lost the advantage. Besides, workers shouldn't be left unsupervised. Teach him that or he'll turn into a governenment employee playing civ or spamming cdz in his work time. And you don't want to spend your tax money on that, do you?
Kudos for the pics btw.
I've got no force and i'd say im about 40 turns from cats. but i am pumping out the swords but i figure i'll just send them over to his capital and pillage the shit outa it whilst i build up my economy which is currently the worst in the game! :)
Those cfc guys are very weird- one of them is having a go at me for writing a spoiler, i think he's blaming me for giving someone the opportunity to cheat.
I also in the last couple of days had a quick word with levgree about smacking cane when my peace treaty expires with him and i finish with this burc fella, he seemed fairly in to doing so. I'd much prefer to have levgree as my neighbour than cane though i seem to have got stuck next to the two better players in the game.
quote: Yeah its an arboria map- forgot to mention that in the first post.
But at least you did remember it in the name of the thread [:P]
so now robi is also the stupid one?
Amask has apparantly read my spoiler now... this game went from fun to not so fun really quickly.
one of your opponents read this?
Indeed. Theres a massive debate raging at cfc after i told indian and whip about my spoiler ( i figured they were dead and indian was host may as well keep him interested).
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=263241&page=22 post.425
Its tough trying to justify something i never thought i'd have too as i can't see any reason against it.
CFC is full of em.. Good christ I cannot believe some people are so dense.
Shabbaman
03-04-2008, 07:53
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
Amask has apparantly read my spoiler now... this game went from fun to not so fun really quickly.
What a stupid wanker.
Don't people realise spoilers are what make the game fun? CFC used to be full of them as well. Sigh.
If i hadn't read it i would not have believed it. I think dense is a bit of an understatement.
Some of the attitudes on display is the reason i don't bother with CFC games anymore
Shabbaman
03-04-2008, 08:31
I doubt this people ever played civ3 pbems, with it's countless ways of getting illegal map info. If you can't keep yourself of your fellow players from cheating, don't bother.
quote:Hello Shabbaman, it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks. Why not take a few moments to ask a question, help provide a solution, or participate in a discussion in any one of our forums?
BWAHAHAHA! [rotfl]
Anyway, I don't see why CDZ would have to change it's policy on spoilers. It's our main aim, and we've been doing this for 5 years without a single comment. As long as you start your spoiler by stating it is a spoiler I see no reason why anyone in the game would read the spoiler and still claim he isn't cheating. CFC used to have the same kind of spoilers. If you're playing a MP game, you should be making spoilers. That's what the site is intended for.
Two things:
1. I've re-enabled registration.
2. I'll check up on IP-logging. Harrassing cheaters sounds like fun.
Well i've not played many c3c pbems at all and don't think i've ever used sub programs for it like CA/2.
Even if the host put a rule down and said no spoilers i'd carry on writing this one out of principle.
Shabbaman
03-04-2008, 14:21
Well, it seems like something you have to agree on in advance of the game. If you want specifically not to have someone able to read spoilers, you're clearly mistrusting him. Fine in my book, but don't turn it around. If you want to change the rules midgame, well, try reaching consensus on it. My bet is you'll fail.
BTW, registration is on, the bots are already invading. I had to recalibrate the phasers or something before it worked though.
An actual update today, fairly insignificant probably in the long run.
My borders expanded from Big Bum into burc city, i was then able to see that he had one skirmisher and one warrior defending the city. Last turn apparantly his skirmisher attacked my warrior standing in the woods to my joy
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6405/civ4screenshot0065yx1.jpg
he lost :) So i'm moving my archer over to attack his city, he switched to slavery this turn so he has no production in it, next turn i will move one of my warriors onto his silver mine so he will have no production so hopefully he wont be able to whip the city thus i'll be able to capture it.
I also managed to move my woodland 2 warrior near his city.
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9171/civ4screenshot0066oq6.jpg
Thank heaven its not on a hill! it also had only one skirmisher and warrior in it, i know for a fact he has at least 2 skirmishers wandering around so they will probably get pulled back. I'll send some troops down there just to pillage it etc whilst i wait for cats.
I also spoke to him online for a bit, he seemed to claim that he had peace with levgree so by me attacking him i was untrustworthy- i'm not sure how it works tbh! anyway i managed to convince him having peace with one person did not necessarily mean peace with me! At which point he tried bluffing me that he had a stack of skirms ready to attack which may have worked had i not got the highest power and mfg rating also able to see him demograph!
The joys of playing at cfc!
Ahh the good old bluff, he must have picked that one up from Robboo
Well that didn't go too well....
I'll do an update within the next couple of days but basically my gnp is properly sucking due to my second empire being a country mile away and the fact i love building cities! i should have an SE up and running soon though which'll tide me over till cottages really kick in.
Hmmm well i forgot about doing that update!
ohwell heres another one, my plan of doing an SE simply didnt happen- i just struggled along till monarchy and once i got it started letting my cities grow huge! So within about 20 turns i went from having the second worst population to having the third best.
My diplomatic relations with my surrounding neighbours (excepting one) are pretty good and i have long term peace deals with any neighbour which has borders touching mine. KC recently got replaced as he wasn't logging in so i am trying to arrange a deal with the new player but as yet havent got a response.
Anyway i'll continue the update as i have been doing as if i have two seperate civs under control as its easier. From now on my northern empire which contains my original capital shall be referred to as 'Awesome Empire' and my southern empire which contains my captured capital shall be referred to as 'Brilliant Empire'
Awesome Empire
Heres my capital
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7205/civ4screenshot0113nl9.jpg
Finally starting to become the commerce capital it was born to be, once i've finished that market it should be producing ~50 commerce when on 70% tax but thats without any further growth etc and i do have quite a few forests nearby which i can be chopping to build anything needed to be built.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7959/civ4screenshot0112us3.jpg
A key city for me, its inbetween me and KC/Gitbliss and due to my numerous culture buildings has managed to nab me gems (something which is barely ever on an Arboria map, or at least nowhere on this one!), it'll also act as a staging point if i ever want to give (KC/Gitbliss now referred to as India) India a smackdown, something i will probably have to do to keep my ally Levgree happy.
Levgree is boxed in and so i am involved in a war down south to gain him some more land (more later) but he will undoubtably need more so instead of me fighting him (i don't know who would win, i have the better offensive troops but he has a vastly greater GNP) we may turn out attention to India.
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/6760/civ4screenshot0114qc4.jpg
So far been acting as my GP city, in the future when i finally research literature i might build the national epic here and really start pumping out the great people but for the time being has been a very usefull worker production site.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3609/civ4screenshot0115ay2.jpg
My newest city iirc, only really founded to fill in the space, it'll probably make a fairly decent longterm commerce city but was more founded to stop anyone else founding a city near to my capital.
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/1244/civ4screenshot0116yz0.jpg
Grabbing me my only source of silver in my Awesome Empire and also a source of iron, has been my main source of production of units thus far in the game but that'll probably tail off in favour of commerce as the game continues.
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8521/civ4screenshot0117sd0.jpg
Another of my recently founded cities and unfortunatly levgree's borders have pushed mine back so i am unable to use the hills to its west, if i can overcome that it'll probably be one of my biggest production centres.
Awesome empire has been my primary area for the production of troops and my main area for tech research. Brilliant empire is however growing.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4664/civ4screenshot0118ct3.jpg
My captured capital is also becoming a commerce centre and im considering whether to make this my commerce city (as in build Oxford) or my actual capital.
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/820/civ4screenshot0120tp0.jpg
Whilst due to the numerous rivers the close nit group of cities i have founded also are very commercially viable now and when i finally build a market there i should be able to be putting up the science slider as they are going to be supporting themselves to a greater extent. Darce has also been a good area for the production of much needed workers.
About the war mentioned earlier, me and lev were working together this time to take out burlesconni/slaze ( i believe a sub but berc has returned and slaze was still playing so who knows). This time we have made our attack occur from different points, his primary force has headed towards Slaze's capital whilst i have two seperate forces. One originating in baba went straight for his copper city and another originating in BigBum took out his silver and Iron city. The key difference this time was that i have catapults. I also entered into a trade with Usun in exchange for a settler he would gift me 4 cats, this allowed me to pursue the war quicker.
So far it has been very successfull.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6804/civ4screenshot0121si3.jpg
I captured the silver and iron city a turn after declaring war, unfortunatly i lost 4 suicide cats doing it but he had a skirm on a hill doubly promoted so i guess it was worth it.
This turn, a few turns after the war had started i captured his copper city.
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2301/civ4screenshot0122ga3.jpg
Both cities i plan on making part of Brilliant Empire, i captured the second city as i didnt have a settler handy and felt i may as well have kept it but it isnt brilliant and i am more pleased with my initial city capture.
In two turns i hope to capture
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2605/civ4screenshot0123aw6.jpg
This shouldnt be too difficult as i do have a number of troops left fighting fit after the assault on the copper city.
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/550/civ4screenshot0124op3.jpg
Much like the city of Humphrey north of it, they're isnt much initial material benefit from taking this city short of filling in the gaps and hoping there might be a future resource there, it'll probably make a perfectly reasonable commerce city also.
Inbetween me capturing slaze's silver city and his copper city, Levgree succesfully captured ( i think captured- else destroyed) his capital city, so now he is left with three cities- the only negative to this war is that i only know of the exact position of 1 city and can see the borders of another city but the third's whereabouts is a mystery.
Im intending to use the plunder i get from capturing the cities of Slaze to push me on to CS and so i can finally run Beaurocracy-i'm one of the few major players not to be in it so hopefully i should get enough from the capture of the other city in two turns to make it there without having to lower my research rate.
Following that i intend to settle down and properly build up my economy, with bearo, big cities, a largish empire and already near topping the charts in mfg and food the future looks fairly bright for the empire.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5467/civ4screenshot0125cb6.jpg
I do have quite a large military police presence which is costing me quite a bit of gold but it is worth it so far due the sparsity of happiness resources in the game and until i reach calendar for the extra couple i have it will have to do.
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8651/civ4screenshot0128ei0.jpg
About 10 turns ago i also received a quest, build 11 libraries in 11 cities. I can't remember what this gets me but seeing as a lib is generally standard in every city anyways im making a concerted effort to do it first. There are only two people which have 11 cities so i think i have a reasonable chance of doing so as i already have 9 cities with libs in and i just have to wait until the revolting cities stop doing so and i'll whip another library or two to complete it quickly.
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4756/civ4screenshot0129en2.jpg
I Should also be getting a MG when i assault Slaze's last city, this'll be quite handy as i'll probably attach him to a unit if i don't already have a promoted enough one so i can build the heroic epic- i havent decided whether to combine the HE with Iron works or Globe yet though.
On the world front i also have quite a bit to be happy about, the score leader DanDridge has been at war now with one and a half civs now for about 20 turns and allthough i noticed some score changes in his favour a few turns ago it can only be a good thing that he is being forced to build so much military. Mauer has also been at war with Elkad meaning those two are now fairly screwed as they're both focusing on military as they have no lasting treaty. Bjajjajajajaker started a war with Oyzar (one civ fighting DanDridge) and promptly stopped again but i can only assume this is to my benefit as i have a treaty with him for awhile yet still.
My main worry in this game i havent already mentioned is Usun, Ian and Elkad. Elkad has been quickly demolshing two civs to his east, they had warred early on so they had been left behind by everyone in the game. This acquisition of their territory however has propelled him up the score charts. I'm worried about Ian more because he is my neighbour and due to experience. Usun is a different matter, Levgree, Him and I have entered into an alliance of sorts, so he has asked me in the future to help him take out Ian. I don't mind helping an ally but the problem is if he gets too big following this i am going to soon end up being nearly surrounded by allies. I would prefer to keep everyone fighting but i guess that is becoming a non option. I have also mentioned that as i have a peace deal with Ian till 1250 that i can gift him units and he use them as he see's fit. This might also mean i get none of the benefits of the war- not even plunder. I guess i'll have to see how the game progresses.
I captured the last of the cities i will be taking from Slaze and Jean D'arc was born! i'll probably attach her to my scouting cavalry unit when he gets back and leave him un ugraded throughout the game to act as a healer. Right now he's down south searching for workers to nab! so far i've got 4 from this war!
Anyways is anyone reading this? anything inparticular they want to be seeing?
Pastorius
05-06-2008, 22:07
world domination comes to mind
Ok figured i would do another update now im beginning another portion of the game.
Just an updated list of people left in the game
<s>Indiansmoke - Elizabeth of Babylon</s>
IanDC - Wang Kon of Mali
<s>Whiplash CDC - Peter of Arabia</s>
Gigaz - Washington of the Mayans
<s>Elcad - Huayna Capac of India</s>
Levgre - Pacal II of the Malinese
<s>Burlicconi - Hannibal of Mali</s>
Oyzar - Alexander of ethiopia
<s>Classical Hero - Darius of HRE</s>
<s>Hesterate - Boudica of Ethiopia</s>
KillerCane Now IndianSmoke again - Elizabeth of India
<s>Bamf226 - Sitting Bull of China</s>
Dandrige - Mansa Musa of India
<s>Amask - Willem of the Zulu</s>
Unconquered Sun - Hannibal of the Native Americans
Bjarkekr - SALADIN of babylon
BCLG100 - Ragnar of India
Mauer - Suryavarman of Sumeria
So its been pretty brutal so far and it looks set to get worse as presumably mauer can't be too long left in the game as he's not enjoying it and is absurdly outteched by the majority of the players now. I'm also at war with someone and know of someone planning a war against someone else. I also aim to start another war when my current one has finished. More on all that later.
Frist off, i recentl got a scientist, not what i was hoping for but recieved it all the same. So i decided i would start a GA- normally i'm not a big fan of GA's until nearing the end of the game where all the tiles are worked and cities can make the best use out of it preferring to either bulb them or settle them(especially scientists). Here however was the redeeming feature of the no anarchy during civic switches, something i would greatly be needing if i was hoping to keep pace with everyone and of course the production boost i gain for my war.
Now here is my current set of civics
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/438/civ4screenshot0017aa0.jpg
And heres what i want to be switching too
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2663/civ4screenshot0018nl0.jpg
All done in hopefully one turn, now pretty much every city will start throwing a fit when i do this, no more hered rule which i have been using to quite a great extent but i think the bonus from free religion, the prod bonus from universal suff and of course the commercial benefits will more than make up for all of this.
But knowing that unhappiness is going to be a big issue i have begun building mausoleums in pretty much every city which not only have the 2 happyness but also pretty decent spy acumalators
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8251/civ4screenshot0022cg1.jpg
That and seeing as im in a GA pretty much every city will have completed one in ~3 turns.
With the discovery of Engineering there was no need to distinguish between the two empires as they were travelable in under 10 turns! so i'll just crack on through :)
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9407/civ4screenshot0002ka7.jpg
My capital, absolutly no production but a very good GNP output, will probably be my oxford or wall street city when i finally get them set up.
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6681/civ4screenshot0003gr5.jpg
A fairly adequate production city, i've been toying with the idea of demolishing some of them cottages and setting up some farms to make a better prod city but as of yet im still undecided and am liking the nice bit of extra gnp its giving me.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6097/civ4screenshot0004ql6.jpg
My GP city, still without the 100% wonder, mainly because i havent bothered to research lit, hopefully i'll get around to it sometime but if i dont i wont be sweating it that much.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7535/civ4screenshot0006yw6.jpg
Possibly my poorest city in the empire, its really starting to get fucked up by levgree's advancing culture, hopefully free speech will help keep that at bay for awhile.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9379/civ4screenshot0005hv0.jpg
My main production city, im unsure whether to iron works, westpoint it or iron works heroic epic it. I definatly want an iron works there because this game will undoubtably go to space race so i'll want every ounce of production.
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7656/civ4screenshot0007ip8.jpg
My newest city in the empire, still growing but looks to be a perfectly adequate gnp city in the future.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/91/civ4screenshot0008au1.jpg
As with this one, should be contributing enough gnp soon.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5421/civ4screenshot0009ez2.jpg
My only seabourne city and it may as well not be as i'll not be producing any decent naval units from there and yet because of my map trades i am the one with the +1 sea movement bonus! (i got that before i even had access to the sea!)
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8457/civ4screenshot0010ao9.jpg
Fairly decent prod city with its few hills and iron and the near access to the river means it'll have enough prod to build the buildings required to make this a decent money city
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4978/civ4screenshot0012yu1.jpg
Absolutly awful production but the amount of cottages it can maintain means i'll probably end up building the forbidden palace there to reduce corruption to the surrounding cities, by build i mean cash rush.
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3632/civ4screenshot0013pl1.jpg
I was surprised by this city, i only built it to stop someone else getting access nearby so its managing to pull its weight and pump out enough gnp, not sure if it'll ever do more than that though.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1691/civ4screenshot0014ae9.jpg
My second biggest GNP city after the capital and that might change when i switch out of bearo, definatly a leeding candidate for wall street or oxford ( i prefer to keep them seperate because then i can build towards each one and hire specific people)
Now heres the demo screen
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1848/civ4screenshot0015ep8.jpg
You'll notice that even in my GA im still ~500 gnp short of number 1, when im not in it its roughly ~800, its the person next to me, now he is in advanced civics and does have a couple more towns than me but my only conlcusion for his immense distance is that he's also building research/wealth/culture because otherwise im mystified how im that far away.
in mfg before the GA i was 5th though 1 is completly far ahead whilst 2-5 are within about 15 of each other, hopefully the bonus from universal suf will propell me up.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8979/civ4screenshot0016id7.jpg
Heres something more interesting, im ~second in the tech race i think, others have a couple of techs ahead of me (levgree excepted) but i have a general better tech line than them. levgree however is far and away the tech leader.
I'm not sure if i spoke in my last post about me chatting with bjajakeker and usun about a war with ian. Well what with the patch upgrade usun dropped out and matrix signed a treaty with him before he knew we were planning on invading so in the end after a slight postponement me and bj decided to attack him, as far as we know so far its gone reasonably well. Somehow Ian managed to kill a couple of pikes on a hill with a knight but hopefully next turn i should have taken his capital and another of his big cities
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Bj also seems to be getting on fairly well to the north
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9950/civ4screenshot0021ni2.jpg
once those cities have been taken im not sure how i'll proceed from there, theres no more of ians land i particularly want that badly, matrix gave me a few knights and tells me he wants a city in return but im loathe to give him that one as its be 'alright' for me, so i might capture him one further east and give him that, whilst im going to let bj capture the taoist capital.
Now i've been sitting on a bit of information with bj, he doesnt know that oyzar is planning on invading him but i didnt want to lose his help in the war with ian as it'd have made things a lot more difficult. i've pursuaded oyzar to wait and when we're finishing up with ian i'll tell bj then as i dont particularly want oyzar wandering through bj's lands and getting rid of a solid buffer between me and gigaz.
I spoke earlier of wanting to complete another war also, im planning on attempting to hit gitbliss/indiansmoke/whateverelse he goes by to my north asap. Upon completing my current tech im aiming towards rifling in the hope i can pump a few out and completly run gitbliss over. I've asked oyzar for help and he seems interested, i've been attempting to speak to levgree but he keeps ignoring me which is making me more and more wary of him. I'm usnure how to proceed because we were the strongest of allies at the beginning of the game but if this had been someone else ignoring me so much i'd have probably attacked by now.
anywhoo, thats it for the time being- hope everyone likes the pretty pictures!
Does everyone know what time it is? its monthly update time!!!!
does anyone read these or am i talking to myself?
Anywhoo i'll crack on a lot has changed since the last update. I'm not including pictures of every single city i have now as that would take far too long and would just involve a lot of repetition, there'll still be pictures just only of things i deem important! :)
Well the war with Ian and I is over. Initially i made very good progress, achieving my intial aims very quickly (capturing capital and other city) whilst BJ quickly captured his intial city and then just as he was pressing on to hit Ian's next city oyzar, against what i had asked to do, declared war on him. This meant that bj quickly made peace with ian and an army that i had on the way to ians Taoist capital was cut to shreds when i did move it as i was hoping BJ would kill some more folk than what he did. So i was forced to sit tight and wait for infantry and cannons before i moved in. In the end it wasn't so much a big bother as i had little casulties once i had infantry (i think about 5 in total) but ian went down fighting to the last man rather than defending so i was unable to get a GG.
Up north with BJ's war as pretty much my entire army had been destroyed i was unable to reinforce BJ at all and even though he had a slight technological advantage over oyzar he was unable to stop oyzars quadrouple promoted oromo warriors. Before he left he gifted some cities to me, this kicked off a massive fuss in the main thread so i gifted a couple of them to oyzar (i got 3 and the next one i would have taken when i declared a turn later anyways). So in the end i was left with these cities following my wars.
Quickly became my production beast
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Ians old capital
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Should produce a nice enough amount of GNP
Ians city which i captured after BJ had originally given it back, again should be some nice gnp
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BJ's old city called babylon, was the city i took as he died, again nice gnp
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The taoist city, only came out of rebellion this turn so hopefully the borders should be popping on the next turn, got a nice 25 gpt coming from the shrine alone.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2176/civ4screenshot0035na1.jpg
And here's a list of all my cities and what they're building.
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I've finished off my oxford uni/wall street combo in darce so it is pumping out gnp whichever way i have my scale set, whilst i am unsure whether to start the apollo program in baba or my newly captured city as baba should be finishing a coal plant on the coming turn so i'll have to see what the mfg values look like when that happens.
Now there have been a massive improvement in my demographics
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Hopefully by the time i finish observatories in all my cities i should be over 4k gnp for my entire nation which should be a lot more than anyone else can muster. My mfg has also shot up with my discovery of railroad and building factories, most cities however do not have plants in them as i simply cannot handle the unhealthy from them, hopefully by the time i research some more health/hydros i can then get an even bigger mfg boost.
My tech situation looks like this
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my maximum research time for everything remaining is 4 turns, thats whilst still making a +gpt. My plan is this, to finish rocketry, start electricity, then fridges and then superconductor. That should not only get me health with supermarket but also get me labs for a faster research pace +bonus whilst building space parts. Also by the time of completion i should have the apollo finished and so would be ready to start building parts.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8421/civ4screenshot0039zj0.jpg
My main rivals look like this, lev and gigaz are the primary ones, followed by dandridge, i would have to say matrix is out of it now unless something happens to us 4 to cause this. I have lengthy treaties with levgree, oyzar and matrix a 5 turn warning treaty with gitbliss and peace with gigaz until 1800ad. Lev is the only one with anyform of tech lead, he also has radio and fission which is not shown there and so with my research he has 6 turns worth of tech lead on me (not sure how many turns of apollo building he has on me, i expect him to finish any turn as he has had rocketry for awhile).
Crucially though, within the last 5 turns levgree has launched a major offensive on gigaz, crippling his entire nation (thats why i am first in mfg), he has used about 7 nukes on him meaning i think gigaz would be hard pushed to now win the game. However in his nuking he has also hit matrix and oyzar, now i am unsure whether this was intentional or they were just in the way but i can only hope that this leads to war with everyone. Levgree has been wasting time where he could have been researching buying nukes. He seems to have turned research back on for the time being but he is researching mass media for some unknown reason (i can only assume its for broadcast towers).
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6663/civ4screenshot0042rp4.jpg
Oyzar is also at war with mauer, i think thats just something for them both to do. I spoke at the end of my last post about declaring on gitbliss, since my spy points have accumalated dramatically i can see into pretty much everyone of his cities and he has an almost equal number of military units to me, in my eyes the cost benefit wouldn't be enough. I think from now on the only wars i'll be fighting are defensive.
killercane
10-08-2008, 15:30
Why dont you adopt environmentalism?
can't afford the one turn of anarchy, realised i am infact 8-9 turns research behind levgree rather than 6. I was thinking about building the cristo redonator solely for that ability, then switching to state property when i needed some help with the building.
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