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Turn 1: After settling two cows and a game tile appear :). No lux however, while CB has two in the first 8 squares...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/20036713336_AgCBstartcity.jpg
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Lets hope there are balancing factors, like you having iron and horses, and him having none. [evil]
Thanks to Dr A's CHEATING graphics I can see you got a Lux (Furs) right down south of you !
:D
Skyfish, that hurts [cry]. But you have a point, I'll download Dr A's NON-CHEATER graphics [:o]
No, why not agree with CB to both use the mod? As long as it playing field is even...
Nothing beats ProPain's Enhanced graphics mode :D
Turn 62:
Killer put me on an island...isolated [eek]. Ok ok, room to expand but, no neighbours to trade with:(
I decide it's best to discover map making. But at deity that will take long!
Turn 66:
My island, with other land to the left...
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/2003620183439_AgCB63.jpg
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Turn 95: I settled everywhere on my island. Waiting for map making to finish to explore the world. As I open the save, I notice that Cartouche Bee made contact! He also established an embassy. It is only logical that he, being commercial, gets map making first. I really have to be quick now with my plan to settle the land to the west of my continent.
Turn 100: I discover Map Making myself and now start researching Iron Working. The AI already built the Great Wall [eek]. My galley goes west and I uncover the mysteries of the new land before CB can. It's empty: perfect landing place for me.
Turn 102: I have more than enough production to produce settlers and galleys fast. I want to be quick and give CB no chance to settle before me.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/2003624161214_AgCBnewland.jpg
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Wow !
Exciting stuff...better hope CB is far away [scared2]
Can we have a minimap now? IIRC it should show his capital location...
Skyfish: if he wants to attack: let him. My military is certainly strong enough.
The map at turn 102:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/2003624203052_AgCB102map.jpg
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Turn 109:
I see land [hammer]. I'm certain that I make contact before CB!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200362823278_CBarabs.jpg
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Turn 110:
I meet the Arabs. Contact with CB gives me their world map and four ancient techs [party]. Including iron working and the wheel (I know, why so late... try to be on a deserted island yourself...)
I have iron on my continent and there's a horse on the new continent on which I already have 4 settlers.
Turn 111:
I learn Literature from the Arabs for 9 gpt. I have a prebuild for TGL going, ready in 8... Is it in time? [dunno]
Turn 112:
CB is also building TGL :(
Turn 115:
I mined a couple of cattle tiles just to be a bit quicker. TGL in three. I can't hold it anymore. Give me the new save CB [scared]
Turn 116:
I'm blocking CB's galley. I can explore while he has to take risks, his galley may sink [mwaha]. We have to explore to the west.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200362905739_CBgalleys.jpg
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Two turns for the Great Library!
Turn 117:
I switch to TGL. I should have it now, being first up, or doesn't it work like that in PBEM?
Turn 118:
[party]
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200362912323_CB-TGL.jpg
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Turn 119:
I learn code of laws, horseback riding and Mysticism from CB and the Arabs. I bought the map from Arabia for wm and 90 gold:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200362974937_CB119map.jpg
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Time for
suicide galleys!
WildFire
29-06-2003, 17:56
Why can't you just wait? Try to see if he isn't ready for you?
quote:Originally posted by WildFire
Why can't you just wait? Try to see if he isn't ready for you?
How do you mean? The suicide galleys? I want to get my techs! And I really don't think CB has to worry about him being ready for me ;)
Wow ! Nice one on the TGL Aggie [thumbsup]
He's looking big and bad though, thank god for your Immortals.... :D
Turn 127: My suicide galley sees the borders of Babylon!
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/20037516568_CBbabylonsuicidegalley.jpg
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Turn 131: This is Spain! Will I make it this time?
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/20037519225_CartoucheSpanishsuicide.jpg
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Turn 132:
[party] I meet the Spanish, they know a lot of tech AND the rest of the world :D
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200375194534_cartouchespanish.jpg
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A lot of trading follows and at the end I payed 200 gold for aal the contacts and world map. Arabia and Carthage are still unaware of the rest of the world :D
This is the world map:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200375193827_cartouche134worldmap.jpg
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And these are the powers:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200375193858_cartouche131histograph.jpg
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Turn 133: I get mathematics, Polytheism, Currency, Republic, Monarchy, Construction, Monotheism, Feudalism from the Great Library [hammer]
I go straight into anarchy... 4 turns before I am a Republic.
Turn 137:
I'm a Republic. After some micromanaging I see that I'm now 2nd in almost every important category of the demographics. I guess that CB is 1st, while being a despot :(
Until now the two world don't know each other. I'm the only one with communications with everyone and I share my knowledge of the world map with the 'new continents'. Arabia and Carthage are unware. I plan to keep it like that until CB suicides a galley himself or the AI is able to travel on ocean squares.
Turn 140:
CB suicided a galley and entered the middle ages :(. He went into anarchy after he got Republic.
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/20037127744_AgCB CB knows the world.jpg
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Turn 141:
Finally I get my FP:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200371217150_CBFP.jpg
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I also get a loan from the English 32 gold for 2 gpt. That way I can build a harbor on my 2nd island and hook up another luxury.
Turn 142: CB declared war and sank a galley. According to him one of my galleys came too close. :( Anyway, I can't imagine that he will try to attack me. But we will see. I have to be careful. The lux slider goes to 0% and income goes +20 gpt.
Turn 143: CB offers peace and I accept.
Turn 147:
England and Babylon are at war and the tech pace is really slow.
CB is a republic. So now I can show fair demographics:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200371222453_CB147demographics.jpg
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Turn 158:
England wants me in the war with Babylon. This is an offer I can't refuse, since Babylon won't be able to reach me :).
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/2003713195623_CBenglandvsbabylon.jpg
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How will CB react?
Turn 162:
I finally get another tech from TGL! It's invention. I have have palace as pre-build which gives me Leo in 7.
England has Education and Gunpowder over me. I wouldn't be surpired if I had to pay for Gunpowder. I'd expect CB to buy Education to deny me any other free techs.
digger760
14-07-2003, 17:07
maybe you could edit the 1st double post as well ;)
Turn 170:
Finally a new techs from TGL: Chivalry and Education. The TGL is obsolete, so now I have to buy my techs.
CB wasn't the one making the wonder obsolte: he still doesn't know both techs I got.
Turn 176:
I discover Printing Press and I'm the first to do it [hammer]
Now I can get astronomy for printing press and 100 gpt from England. Spain gives me gunpowder for astronomy and printing press. :)
CB is 5 techs behind [:o]
Turn 194:
The last couple of turns weren't very inspiring. But at one point I decided to sail to the weakest civ of the planet, after buying Navigation form England for 70 gpt. The Egyptians had only two spears and a warrior in their capital, so I declared war and attacked a turn later:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/2003832353_CBga.jpg
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My income goes from 125 gpt to 315 gpt [hammer].
I am producing workers at the moment, in preparation for the railroads. We are only 5 techs from the IA.
Cartouche Bee got England and Japan behind him to have a joint attack on Babylon! They have Sun Tzu [eek]. I decide to join them and get an MA with Enlgand. They pay me 28 gpt for it :)
Turn 211:
I manage to research a tech that the AI doesn't have. Therefore I can make a deal that gets me into the Industrial Age. :D
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/200385823_CB206tradedeal.jpg
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My free tech is Nationalism. England is the only civ willing to pay. But I don't complain:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/2003858422_CBnationalism.jpg
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Still in my GA aand being very rich, I research Steam Power at max (due in 7). Also I switch my palace to Newton, due in 1.
Turn 212:
In the interturn England renegotiates a lux deal. I accept of course. But STILL my wonder building city riots [confused]. Not only that, I am told that someone else now will build Newton [cry]. This has to be CB. I am first up, so without this BUG I would have had this [wallbash]. Now I know how ERIKK felt in our first PBEM when he lost a wonder in a similar way :(
Fuck!
I got a colloseum instead of Bachs that time! But you got a riot if I understand it right?
So what happened? In the interturn England ended that lux deal and the city was not controlled
by the governour? That would suck, nothing you can do about it in the interturn...
That is indeed what happened ERIKK. I never use governors, but I might be rethinking this whenever I get in this situation again. And I will check diplo even better to prevent these things from happening. Of course I know about the bug for a time now, but it just didn't occur to me that a deal may expire :(
But still, looking at the bright side: with a little luck I'll be researching steam power before the AI, netting me a lot of cash and a shot at TeO.
CB explained me that he had the tech already and built the wonder one turn before I could. So it's NO bug. Only good play from CB's part. Only weird thing is that I could build the wonder despite the fact that CB had it already that same year.
Two turns before I would discover Steam, I notice that Spain already has it [eek]. Luckily Spain wants to trade it for Nationalism. CB also has the tech!
And then... [help] I HAVE NO COAL!!!! What's worse: CB has two sources on his own continents [cry].
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/aggie/2003899410_CBnocoal.jpg
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NO other nation has coal to spare! So now I have to get coal by force. This will take at least 10 turns on this archipelago map... This is a killer blow. CB will be able to snatch ToE and get a giant tech lead. I won't be able to conquer his land until marines (...), so I see only one option.
I give up :(
Would it really take 10 turns to grab some?
That's a real fucker...
When you look at the map you can see that it I have to sail quite a distance. I then have to break a deal and declare war, only to grab coal. CB will know what I have to do and try to stop me. Knowing how strong CB is, I just don't give myself a chance.
I had it all planned: stay on my islands and research until I get the UN. CB has a stronger core (his island can be split into two cores, mine can't be split :( ), so he will beat me in every other aspect than science.
We decided to continue. CB will give me a source of coal :D. So we won't be in a war very soon!
So CB gave you coal as a gift for "balancing a biassed map" or did you set up a regular deal?
Great stuff ! that really is so "fairplay" from CB !
Hats off !
It really is Sky. CB gifted me it to balance the map Grille.
Turn 226:
I decided a couple of turns ago to first research the most expensive tech towards Scientific Method (Electricity). It worked. Spain and CB had Medicine, so when I got Electricity I was able to trade tech for tech with Spain. Scientific Method is due in 7. I can imagine that CB will have it earlier still. I rushed 4 universities, but it may be too late. Also that fact that I didn't get Newton might be killing me still.
It is still too early to say, but when I get ToE I might not go for Hoover, but Industrialization and Atomic Theory instead. I have no pre-build for Hoover and my experience with Jack (almost losing Hoover despite pre-build) makes me wonder whether I should go for it immediately.
I was correct. My tech speed is too slow:
http://www.civ3duelzone.com/forum/uploaded/Aggie/2003816185826_cbhoover.jpg
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Only thing to do now is perform a Jack Merchant special: steal both techs and snatch Hoover. I hope that it works with me... Jack didn't succeed ;).
Should I fail, then I'm dead meat.
See that's difficult because if you were not getting CB's coal he would declare war vs you so you can not steal from him !
He did exactly so vs Anarres so it might not be fair to steal from him...it's an ethical problem : if he were not giving you the coal, you could not steal from him, expecially with the race on over Hoover.
@Sky: I understand. This makes me sick! CB would declare war to prevent me from stealing the techs. But he can't, because he gave me coal! To profit from it would be cheating IMVHO [cry]
Turn 238:
I see that CB still hasn't finished Hoover (I investigated his city). He needs another 16 turns! I have a pre-build (meant for ToE) which finishes Universal Suffrage in 6! Hmmm[mischief]
See ! Never despair !
You were talking about conceding yesterday night [wallbash]
[talk]
jack merchant
18-08-2003, 01:55
A Jack Merchant special eh ? Too bad it's associated with failure !
[rotfl]
Turn 240:
CB declared war, because he figured that I finished railroading. He is afraid that I might steal the techs. Logical thought. Now I know that I have to get Espionage asap, but first Electronics. I will have it in 8 and also my US pre-build for Hoover will be ready then. The thing that will kill me is when an AI finishes US before I can build Hoover [:o]
We decided to end the game and withdraw it from the ladder. CB now discovered Rep Parts and has no rubber. I assume that I have more than one source, making this map even more unbalanced. We both fully understand how difficult it is to make a balanced archipelago map, so the mapmaker's work is greatly appreciated! It is a shame that we had to find out so late that the resources were not honestly divided. I can only imagine that the mapmaker didn't expect us to be so peaceful so long.
PS. This time the game really IS over. :(
PS PS: I would have gotten Hoover :D
That was indeed a bit of "risk taking" with "map making" [lol]
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