View Full Version : The big CDZ Earth Spoiler
Well a late start to this spoiler but due to popular requests here we are. Its 1000AD so the game is well established.
To catch you all up on what has happened up to now here is a run down.
Started the game next to ProPain (Mongolia) and lots of empty space we came to an agreement of splitting the territory between us. A little while later he stopped playing turns and was switched to AI when he couldn’t be reached. So faced with an AI Genghis i decided to hit him before he hit me and stuffed me up.
As it was it did hurt me, i missed Buddhism by a turn, then Stonehenge by a turn and Pyramids by a couple, which was frustrating. From there i just put my head down and focused on continuing expansion. I beat mauer (India) to SE Asia which bottled him up on the sub continent. That left him adrift of the front running pace and when akots (Russia) and Shabba (Arabia) showed interest in taking him out and approached me, i was happy to take a few cities for myself. Apart from that it has been a fairly quite game war wise, which is a nice change from the usual bloodbaths. The only other wars have been shabba and Casey (Mali) in a low intensity affair and Stapel (Aztecs) taking out robboo (America) in the new world. That’s the events, now the game plan.
At the start i didn’t really have one. The main aim was securing the immediate area and getting a religion, but that went out the window with the early war with Mongolia. So with not much to lose and all alone out here in the east i decided on a unique strategy. I doubt it could be replicated in a different situation but at that point i had nothing to lose.
It was simple, expand, expand and then expand some more. Run the economy to the limit of collapse in the grab for every inch of land as quickly as possible. I set a target of 25 cities by the half way mark of the game. All new cities had a set build of libraries (culture/science), markets (money) and courthouses (saving money).
The idea is i’ll start off slow losing ground to the others but gathering all resources i’ll need for a future race to space. I have Eastern Siberia, China, Japan, continental SE Asia and eastern India under my control and i am looking at getting the SE Asian islands and Australia under my control. This way it still leaves other possible wins open as well, but space is first priority. Even though i don’t need the extra cities for the spaceship its self, i figure if i’m getting close i’ll need as many cities as possible free to build units for defence. If i have timed my run right i should overtake everyone just as spaceship construction gets underway and sail ahead to victory.
So far its working well. After what seemed forever having a GNP in the high teens, cities started to bring money in and i’ve started make up the lost ground. I have passed everyone up to this point except akots and simon in gold and technology. In production and food i’m a clear number one and increasing the gap. I also scored a major deal with akots. We have a peace treaty to the end of the game which is a risk in a space race scenario but a big help in defending my well spread territory and he is going to be buying resources from me. I only have the need to import wine which i’m getting from simon, corn from staple and am negotiating in getting gems from beam, otherwise i have it all in my territory.
Right now after replacable parts i’ll beeline communism for state property. That will give me the final big boost towards the finish line. I have a Hybrid economy going with lots of gold and specialists and i have been closing the gap slowly on akots and simons lead.
Here are the screenshots
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Feel free to ask questions since i’ve tried to be brief in the rundown.
digger760
21-09-2007, 10:12
Whats your take on the situation with the other players, ie who do you think has teamed up with who?
Akots and BCLG seem pretty strong from what you have said, are they peaceful towards each other?
What about Stabel and Beam, they have big chunks of land to settle as well. could they have potential to match your strategy.
I have been wondering what you were planning. You were too quiet over there. Its going to be interesting to see how this works out.
About your deal with akots...can you use spies? If so you can do lots to slowdown his spaceship. I also suggest you take the northern route on the tech tree. IF you can grab internet you can replace the majority of your cottages with workshops and cut all research. Save up for a golden age once you start on the internet. This is what I did in the pitboss game I missed space by 1 turn.
/dont worry I am not subbing nor will I in the future.
One thing i forgot to mention above is no tech trades are allowed.
With the other players from what i see it looks like Shabba and akots have a defensive deal against simon. Akots was very worried about shabba and myself getting into a fight over India and wanted a division of territory worked out before hand.
Simon at the moment is fairly confident of his position and is not looking to get into a war, but that might change if he feels someone is getting ahead of him. On the other side of the equation if Simon seems to start getting ahead then akots and shabba might go on the offensive.
With beam and stapel, they have a lot of land but there are problems for them. Stapel has a lot of mountains in the NW US- SW Canada he can't use and once you hit the Canadian border heading north you hit tundra and ice fairly quickly so it will be hard for him to replicate. Beam on the other hand has the Amazon to chop through to use all his land. Also he has the problem that there isn't a lot of high production site so build spaceship parts will be very slow.
I guess any of us can still win it except Casey at this point but akots, simon and myself are the frontrunners at the moment. Even though i'm behind on techs all i have to do is stay in touch. My production is much bigger than anyone elses and the gap is increasing.
Also i learned from DaveMcW in a previous pitboss game where he beat simon to a space launch after being behind in techs. Once we got close enough he beeline Internet got a bunch of techs and passed simon with superior production. In that game simon had 4 parts finshed when dave got his apollo program, yet he finished the last part 4 or 5 turns before simon.
quote:Originally posted by Robboo
I have been wondering what you were planning. You were too quiet over there. Its going to be interesting to see how this works out.
About your deal with akots...can you use spies? If so you can do lots to slowdown his spaceship. I also suggest you take the northern route on the tech tree. IF you can grab internet you can replace the majority of your cottages with workshops and cut all research. Save up for a golden age once you start on the internet. This is what I did in the pitboss game I missed space by 1 turn.
/dont worry I am not subbing nor will I in the future.
It wouldn't bother me if you did sub as per my post in the open thread :). I know the DaveMcW plan from the MTDG game and i saw how close you came. That why i happy to just stay in touch techwise. No spies allowed with my deal with akots, but i have him well covered production wise so its not an issue for me, in fact its a benefit to me.
As for the large GNP gap between simon and me (and akots too is around my level) is that akots and me are running more specialsts than simon. I have about 18 between my cities currently. I'm building the national epic in Kamen at the moment. Kamen alone will have food to support 10 specialists when its fully grown:D
We have hit 1100 AD
I can't say i've ever had this many cities in any game i've played. Every turn about half a dozen things are happening[crazyeye].
Skoljke founded which will be a specialist city.
Zacini finished the FP which cut the costs a bit. I can now research at 80% and have positive gpt.
Kamen finished the national epic and with its rate of growth already has 3 specialists at work.
I've also had a couple of banks, markets and observatories built around the nation. Also got a great scientist.
I finished Education so i have unis available to build. I'll have libralism in 4. At that point i'll take a turn of anarchy and switch to free speech and free religion. Then i'm doing scientific method which i'll use the GS to bulb me half, so that should be 4 turns, then communism which is about 9 turns and state property.
I've nearly caught up to akots on techs although simon still has around 4 on me. I been looking around simons lands and he only 1 unit per city and is running pacifism. So that got me thinking if i could get casey and shabba to stop fighting maybe i could get one of them to attack simon. It would force him out of pacifism and start building units. Most of his cities are warriors only. So i have a bit of diplomatic work ahead of me.
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digger760
01-10-2007, 11:59
Go Cats ;)
Yes Go Cats:). Bombers fan myself but i was cheering them on
1150 AD
Just a quick update. Got Libralism and changed civics to free speech and religion, although it cost me 2 turns of anarchy. Great Scientist took Scientific Method down from 6 turns to 3. News from Africa, Casey has bit the dust (or is that sand ;)) so we are down to 7 after Simon and Matrix jumped in vulture like on Shabba's prey.
digger760
06-10-2007, 17:33
I just had a look at the pic you posted:
what does the stack of coins mean on Mermerna, the beaker on Zevedza, the hammer on and the white star on Zuchini (who i also see is building an explorer, whats your plan wiht that unit?)
quote:Originally posted by digger760
I just had a look at the pic you posted:
what does the stack of coins mean on Mermerna, the beaker on Zevedza, the hammer on and the white star on Zuchini (who i also see is building an explorer, whats your plan wiht that unit?)
The stack of coins means it is the city producing the most commerce per turn. The beaker is for most research, hammer for most production. The white star is the FP acting as a second capital.
The explorer is for the 3 goody huts i found, one in Indonesia and 2 along the east coast of Australia. I popped the first one for a map of what i already knew, hopefully the other two give some gold since i doubt tribal villages will know the secret of Physics[lol]. Also it will give me a better look at possible settlement spots
killercane
07-10-2007, 17:13
quote:Originally posted by Robi D
1150 AD
Just a quick update. Got Libralism and changed civics to free speech and religion, although it cost me 2 turns of anarchy. Great Scientist took Scientific Method down from 6 turns to 3. News from Africa, Casey has bit the dust (or is that sand ;)) so we are down to 7 after Simon and Matrix jumped in vulture like on Shabba's prey.
I finished a coupla turns short of Chemistry, which would have been death to shabba's stack, and given me a chance at Simon's northern african holdings. I am very surprised none of you are willing to go to war against another quality opponent, especially Simon.
Pastorius
07-10-2007, 17:52
Aren't we all oppurtunists?
quote:Originally posted by killercane
quote:Originally posted by Robi D
1150 AD
Just a quick update. Got Libralism and changed civics to free speech and religion, although it cost me 2 turns of anarchy. Great Scientist took Scientific Method down from 6 turns to 3. News from Africa, Casey has bit the dust (or is that sand ;)) so we are down to 7 after Simon and Matrix jumped in vulture like on Shabba's prey.
I finished a coupla turns short of Chemistry, which would have been death to shabba's stack, and given me a chance at Simon's northern african holdings. I am very surprised none of you are willing to go to war against another quality opponent, especially Simon.
Given that Russia, Arabia and Zulus actually have borders with Simon and are not half a world away i see that as their problem and not mine. Beside i still feel i'm on track for a space win.
1200AD
Another update as things seem to happen quickly in this game.
Konjic was founded this turn, should be a nice production city once it grows a bit.
Scientific Method was finished, now on to Communism which will be done in 3 for what will hopefully be the 2nd last civic change of the game for me.
I did a bit of investigating about what techs i need to research for a spaceship build and which ones i can skip. So far the only non required techs i'm looking at researching are Communism for state property and Democracy for the statue of liberty if still available and for a possible switch to universal suffarge although i'm hoping Representation will see me through to the end once i get it.
Got a great merchant this turn as well, which i will send off to give me some gold. I could bulb 60% of economics but it seems a waste when i can research it in 3 turns anyway.
The explorer i built popped the 3 huts for a useless map(already explored the area) 79g and 101g so not to bad a result.
Finally i'm building Notre Dame. Its a late start since its been available to most for a while so i might not get it but the gold would be helpful anyway. I figure the extra happiness might come in handy if the other 6 switch to emancipation while i stay in Caste system which i need for all my specialist. So far Simon is the only one to have switched to it.
Here is a slightly closer view of my territory in 4 parts.
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And here is one from all the way back. Livada will definately be settled in the next 10-15 turns. Those forests will be chopped and lots of cottages will take their place. As for the island spots marked and Australia, they are more optional settlement spots at the moment.
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4016/chn1200a5zg8.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1200a5zg8.jpg)
killercane
09-10-2007, 16:14
There are several instances of talking about optimal space race tech paths in the HOF at CFC in the gauntlet threads. If you are neck and neck with Simon, do you really need the Internet?
Democracy is important if you have a lot of cottages to get that cottage growth asap. I would start planning your 2 cities for chopping the final two parts as soon as you research them and get the multiplier buildings up there (forge, observatory, lab, maybe factory). I have always found the space elevator kind of useless, better to get the free engineer from fusion and either use it to highlight something or add to a city to cut off a turn on your final builds.
If australia has a lot of forests, plant a city in the middle of them and lumbermill em all to build the multiplier buildings and then chop them all for the module or whatever the last part is (Ecology part).
Having looked at it a bit deeper i don't think the internet is viable in any case. Unlike previous experiences of its use no tech trading is allowed so there is less chance of more nations having the same tech. If simon and myself are well ahead then its gives me nothing.
Australia only has 1 area of forests so it not a big help. My main concern is that i'm not catch simon quickly enough techwise. I know if i'm close i can easily out produce him. The one thing that would help is if i can get someone to attack simon. I can't do it becuase of my position so i'm going to have to work a bit of diplomatic magic and convince someone else that they should.
digger760
11-10-2007, 09:58
Use use a nuclear deterent [evil]
killercane
11-10-2007, 15:48
quote:Originally posted by Robi D
Having looked at it a bit deeper i don't think the internet is viable in any case. Unlike previous experiences of its use no tech trading is allowed so there is less chance of more nations having the same tech. If simon and myself are well ahead then its gives me nothing.
Australia only has 1 area of forests so it not a big help. My main concern is that i'm not catch simon quickly enough techwise. I know if i'm close i can easily out produce him. The one thing that would help is if i can get someone to attack simon. I can't do it becuase of my position so i'm going to have to work a bit of diplomatic magic and convince someone else that they should.
It would have to be akots or Shabba to attack him, right? Or are the American civs not that technologically retarded? IE, do they have chemistry at least?
quote:Originally posted by killercane
It would have to be akots or Shabba to attack him, right? Or are the American civs not that technologically retarded? IE, do they have chemistry at least?
Beam not that far behind tech wise, and Stapels only a little further back. If anyone of the 5 attacked Simon i would be happy because thats time and money for units simon has to spend. Realistically only Shabba or Akots would worry him as far as losing cities. If i could get them to team up on him then that would be a great result for me.
And as if by magic, Stapel attacks Simon. Took out his city in ireland. It has forced simon to switch to nationhood from free speech. I have offered the Aztecs my assistance :)
1300AD
Just got constitution so i'm in anarchy for what should be the last time. The switch to Rep will cost 6gpt but i'll be getting 72 beakers more so its a good deal in my mind.
Stapel is still attacking the british isles. He doesn't have much mostly cats and maces from what i have seen. I guess he was working on surprise and Simons small number of troops. Demographics are still looking good.
Finally Shabbaman has offered a peace treaty to the end of the game so along with akots deal to the end of the game i'm safe from an invasion to my west. I'm in the process of securing my coastlines.
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/3963/chn1300a1ao2.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1300a1ao2.jpg)
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1400 AD
A fair bit to discuss so be prepared for a long post:D
First off a nice satellite view of the People's Republic of China.
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7394/chn1400a1yr6.th.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1400a1yr6.jpg)
Main points of interest, Srebrena finished Scotland Yard so i'll be sending off spies to my neighbours asap to find out exactly what they are up to.
Zvezda is building the Statue of Liberty. Simon has had democracy for a while but has shown no interest in it. No one else had democracy when i researched it and i started building straight away. At 1500 hammers it is expensive but well worth it for me. 21 cities equal 21 scientists at 6bpt each equals 126bpt. When libraries and such are factored in thats 180bpt minimum. So fingers crossed i get it.
I have a great scientist, so Kamen is now tuned to getting me a merchant to save up for a GA. Next turn Kamen will be running 8 specialists.
My 2 newest cities Konjic and Livada are coming up to speed, the others are full steam ahead. The bigger cities with most of the infrastructure in place are building things for happiness in case of the event that the 6 others all run Emancipation. The rest are building what they still need.
Further afield the very short stapel-simon war ended. Not too surprising give simon's superiority in weapons but it did hurt him a fair bit in is race to space. Matrix has decided to settle Australia by trying to grab the 2 barbarian cities there. He has 1 already. Not to fussed about it, orginally i have planned on going there my brief wars against Monglia and India pretty much made it non requirement.
It may come as a shock to some who think i'm a warmonger but i had planned for zero wars at the beginning. The 2 i did end up having were not really wars anyway, Propain wasn't logging in and by the time he was set to AI Mongilia was meat on the table. And mauer begged me to take cities so akots and shabba wouldn't have them all after they came to finish him off. Little did he know i was the one who encouraged them to go after him in the first place[lol].
Here is my current research path
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The next 10 techs are scheduled to be finished in 50 turns as of now. If i can get that to 40-45 that good, 35-40 would be excellent.
The main focus is getting Infantry and Destroyers. With the Arabian-Russian buffer to my west and the Pacific Ocean buffer to my east once i have infantry and destroyers deployed i'm safe to the finish and i can get on with building my spaceship.
Just left of the techtree position i skipped Military Tradition and Divine Right. Don't need them for space so i'm not bothering. Similarly i'll also skip Flight, Medicine, Fascism, Composites and Mass Media of the techs to come.
Here is the relative tech situation
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Now i got an interest warning from both Akots and Shabba about Beam building lots of cannons in a posible invasion attempt on me. Alarmed i did gunpower-chem before economics-corp only to find Beam doesn't even know steel. I can only assume they were trying to get me to waste my resources on some preemtive strike on Beam. Sorry guys but no deal[tongue]
As extected akots and simon are the main competitors. Simon has physics-steel (i'll have corp next turn) akots bio-steam-steel on me.
While it is a little off putting, from my latest diplomatic talks with akots, shabba and beam i have at least a few techs on everyone including the simon and akots so they are not too far ahead. A bit surprised Stapel got physics. He must have beelined it in hope of getting a GS. Don't know if it worked as he and simon researched it on the same turn
Here is the finance and military screens
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As you can see as of this turn i'm raking over 1000bpt at 80% research. i also get 56gpt for my bank account. I'm happy to save up all the cash i can for the rush at the end. When i can cut a turn or two out of the research time i'll move the slider to 90% or 100% otherwise it stays at 80%. Military is very dated but no one really has much better. I'm building a few grenadiers and frigates as a stop gap until infantry and destroyers arrive. Also you get a nice view of the world.
Akots is making a challenge at my production lead which makes me think he has railroads too, but i can't say as i haven't seen them. Still i have a 70hpt lead on him and 100+ to the rest.
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4070/chn1400a6mv3.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1400a6mv3.jpg)
Finally i can't completely understand why i'm 4th in gnp. From the raw gold shown in the graph i'm a clear second just behind simon. I can only assume my greater costs due to size and heavy reliance on GP's accounts for the fact my research rate is pretty much the best. Other then that the other rows are looking pretty.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7618/chn1400a7hx9.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1400a7hx9.jpg)
Thats it for now. In the next episode i'll give you a rundown of what the main fuctions of all my cities are. Questions/comments/ideas/insults/spam are welcome in the meantime.
digger760
23-10-2007, 13:50
What happens when 2 civs research a Great Person giving tech at the same turn?
Is it the person who logs in first the one to get it?
I believe it works on the basis of who had more overflow beakers, but i'm really not sure. It could just as easily be random or some sort of countback.
While i'm here posting, played the new turn. With the extra trade route per city from researching corporations the total turns for the tech dropped from 49 to 43 and the gpt went up to +115:D I'm now second in GNP.
EDIT- I remembered the game keeps track of GP births in the events log. Simon got the scientist
1450 AD
As promised here is the rundown of all my cities. With 21 of them prepare yourself for another long post.
Here is the Mongolia - Far East Russia Region
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Cities- Srebrena, Vuna, Svinsko, Konjic, Livada, Jeleni
Has some of my newer cities. As you can see a lot of forest chopping has happened. There is also a spot just north of Livada i've been thinking about settling with gold and gems but it not a pressing issue.
Korea - Japan Region
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3892/chn1450a3tp6.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1450a3tp6.jpg)
Cities- Pekara, Riza, Zeljezo, Zlatna
The Korean cities were some of my first one. Japan was settled a little while ago but its cities has pretty much everything now
China Region
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1858/chn1450a4gs7.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1450a4gs7.jpg)
Cities- Zvezda, Mermerna, Bakarna, Juzna Gora, Sverna Gora
Some of my oldest cities as you would expect. The montain cities are fairly newer, built around the same time as the Japanese ones but they have most things built.
South East Asia Region
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9468/chn1450a5ux4.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1450a5ux4.jpg)
Cities - Zacini, Kamen, Skoljke
Also well established. With the jungle gone there is lots of food around. Might still settle a couple of the islands in the area but its not a priorty.
India Region
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7278/chn1450a6ka7.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1450a6ka7.jpg)
Cities - Slonovi, Nova Boja, Rijeke
My newest area but since the cities have been around for a while in mauers hand they have come up to speed pretty quick.
That the background and current situation so here are what they are doing.
Multi-purpose
Bakarna, Srebrena, Svinsko, Zacini, Nova Boja, Jeleni.
As the name suggests they are well rounded in all areas and will switch around their focus as needs dictate. Although Srebrena, Svinsko and Nova Boja are a bit better with commerece and Zacini, Jeleni and Bakarna with production. Bakarna will become the main space centre as it will be the home of the iron works in the near future. This will be building that final part to hopeful launch the ship to win me the game.
Commerce
Mermerna, Slonovi, Livada
These are the main providers of the gold to run the economy, which will keep the budget in surplus.
Mermerna will host Wall Street in the near future.
Science
Zvezda, Pekara, Riza, Skoljke.
These keep the beakers flowing. Pekara and Riza were also the GP farms until Kamen took over but they are focused on science now. Zvezda could also be considered multi-purpose since its production is very high. It will build Oxford Uni. once the Statue of Liberty is finished.
GP Farm
Kamen
With all that food it has 8 specialists on the go (9 if i get SoL) and has the National Epic. Produces 50GPP per turn. Very nice indeed.
Military, Land
Vuna, Sverna Gora, Juzna Gora, Konjic
Vuna has the Heroic Epic and Globe theater so it can spit out units very quickly. Hopefully no one will attack and they wont be needed, but if someone does they should provide enough units so the other cities can continue their job uninterupted
Military, Sea
Zeljezo, Zlatna
Again i hope they wont be needed. They can also support the land military cities if the need arises.
That pretty much covers it. Any new cities that i build will be science based since the production in those areas is low at best.
I think i have every based covered with all the cities so i can go on and win. I guess time will tell.
Finally the latest news from the game, with the help of my spy i can see Akots got railroad the previous turn and his workers are busy with construction. As you can see i will have Steam Power in a couple of turns.
1460AD
My first spy reaches Moscow and takes a look around the place.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8684/chn1460a1ls0.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1460a1ls0.jpg)
Given Akots is 4 techs up on me its nice to see he is researching one i already have. I got steam Power and will have Assembly Line in 4. That spy will move on to simon to see what he is up to.
1480AD
Another interesting twist. Simon has attacked Beam. He has taken one of the cities so far. For the life of me i can't really understand why he would bother. For the sake of collecting a few cities which will need to be rebuilt (since most of the buildings get destroyed in the take over) doesn't really make to much sense in the current situation. He did make a post in the open forum about going for payback against Stapel before a last minute deal so he switched to Beam instead.
Could the deal have something to do with Stapel attacking me? Possible if not likely. But he will be dissapointed.
My spy made it to Simons lands. Em is his top production city and here is his capital Simons Spot
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/78/chn1480a1aj3.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1480a1aj3.jpg)
Neither of the 2 is building SoL so its looking good for me so far. He will have Assembly Line in 4, pity for him i'll get in in 3. Any of Stapels attacks can be more then covered with Infantry and i have more than enough funds for emergency upgrades. Hopefully by the time Stapel get any meaningful flotilla (if that is the case) together i'll have combustion and destroyers.
Akots was in anarchy for a switch to free speech and free religion so he still has one turn for constitution.
1515 AD
Its only been 6 turns since the last update but there is a bit happenening.
Simon has taken another city off Beam.
I've had a talk with Stapel. So far he still seems to want to be peaceful but we are still talking so its not certain yet.
Akots has started his golden age. Seems a little early for my mind. After Constitution he researched Economics and Corporation and is 2 turns from Physics.
Simon for his part finished Assembly Line and then went and did Rifling. He is doing Artillary but has switched off research, i assume to get some gold for upgrades.
Also had a look at Shabba, he will have Steam Power in 2.
Here is my situation.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9660/chn1515a1wt1.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1515a1wt1.jpg)
All going to plan :)
Here is the demographics. I'm closing the gap in GNP.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7833/chn1515a2op8.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1515a2op8.jpg)
And the view of the nation. Lots of Factory being built.
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9923/chn1515a3fo5.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1515a3fo5.jpg)
1560 AD
I've been railroading all over the place. Almost all of the tiles which gain a hammer with railroads are covered. The main job now is linking all the cities up.
News from the americas is good for me. Simon after initally sweeping through 2 of beams cities has been knocked back. Beam has reclaimed at least one of those cities possibly both. I've sent my new destroyer to go have a closer look.
This is turning out badly for simon now. He has gotten himself into a grinding war and his tech pace is suffereing. Personally i can't really understand his motives for this adventure surely an attack on akots, shabba or matrix would have made much more sense in my mind. I'll be curious after the game to read his spoiler.
Here is a look at my nation.
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8167/chn1560a1rs2.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1560a1rs2.jpg)http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5079/chn1560a2js0.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1560a2js0.jpg)
Now for my concern. Akots even after his GA is showing very good tech pace. As of next turn he will have Radio, Electricity and Physic on me compared to me having Combustion on him and i'm not really closing that gap at the moment.
I have my Great scientist and merchant at the ready for my own GA. I wondering whether i should use it once the factories are in place (about 10 turns) or leave it until later. The prospect of me popping out 3 different GP's in time to launch a 2nd GA is very remote at best so its a one shot deal. I don't know, maybe my paranoia is getting to me[hmm] but all thoughts are very welcome.
Also i read somewhere the other day as a non spirital nation that you can switch civics without anarchy in GA? Does anyone know if thats true?
killercane
09-11-2007, 15:12
No anarchy thing is in BTS.
I would save your GA for the Building of the Parts (use it in time to grab the Fusion engineer). Use Fusion guy and 2 others for the second GA. In my experience this is better than the Space Elevator, as the limiting factor is research speed to the end, and you have so many cities surely you have somewhere to build every part and time them for completion.
Hadn't though of the GE with fusion. With that i can get a second GA easily. If i can finish off the game with a double GA that would be fantastic.
1600 AD
Simon is starting to lose ground. He has been turning off research a few time to fund his upgrades. To help him along the way i've done a deal with Beam where i'll be sending him spare units to help his cause. So far i've given hin 2 destroyers with a third on the way and i'm putting together a care package of a transport full of infantry. In return he will keep an eye on any troop movements towards me coming from the pacific and any material i may need in my space build.
So it seems akots is my main competitor. At the moment he is spending 2 turns on rifling which is a bonus since i already thought he had it but he just discovered computers so he is building research institues everywhere.
On the home front i nearly have all the factories i planned built and most will have coal plants over the next few turns done. Zvezda finished Oxford Uni and Bakarna the Ironworks. Mermerna will have Wall St. soon.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2138/chn1600a1te7.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1600a1te7.jpg)http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6086/chn1600a2fb9.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1600a2fb9.jpg)
I knocked research down to 70% since i'm not losing any turns on Industrialism so i can get the gold to finish up my unit upgrades. The demographics are looking good. The GNP gap has closed right down since i got the extra gold from wind and water mills with electricity. My production has skyrocketed, it better then akots when he had his GA. I"m thinking of going with my first one after fission since i should have my labs in place. That should last me to fusion where hopefully i should start my 2nd one unless the RNG screws me and gives me 2 scientists or 2 merchants. Finger crossed thats not the case.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5425/chn1600a3hw9.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1600a3hw9.jpg)http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3738/chn1600a4pg0.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1600a4pg0.jpg)
As it stands now akots will probably beat me to completing his research by a couple of turns but my production should hopefully see me pass him in the building.
1610 AD
Quick update.
I'm 2 turns from Industrialism. Simon is 2 turns from Electricity, so i'll have Industrialism on him while he has artillary and rocketry. He is also 10 turns from having the appollo program.
Akots is 2 turns from Assembly line, which i thought he had so thats another bonus. After the turns i'll have indutralism and combustion on him compared to radio and computer he has on me.
And now for the pain. Pekara had a 94% chance of a scientist and 6% of a merchant so of coarse a merchant pops out[saiyan][mad][rant][wallbash][bosd]
Problem is Kamen will have a GP in 3 turns and was being setup for a merchant so the odds are Merchant 54%, Scientist 26%, Artist 11%, Engineer 6%. I've switched all the specialists to scentists now so that should help it up one or two percent, but all i can do is prey a scientist or artist pops out against the odds.
kamen popped a scientist against the odds :) so the plan is back on track
1675 AD
I'm one away from computers now, so we are in the final straight.
Here is a look at my nation
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7058/chn1675a1en3.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a1en3.jpg) http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7694/chn1675a2wo5.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a2wo5.jpg)
Notice there are a lot of builds to finish next turn so they are ready for a mass building of Labs
And here is the global view
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6981/chn1675a3hq0.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a3hq0.jpg)
There are no internal issues to trouble me. Everything is going well. Apollo Program will be done in 3. Simon launched his 7 turns ago and will have a part done next turn. Also i will get another Great Merchant in 3 (96%), unless the odds go haywire again, but even then i get a Great Engineer (4%), which would be better anyway since i could use the one for fusion for something else.
Demographics as always are good. I was 1st in GNP for about 5 turns but someone has passed me again. My power numbers have exploded. Don't have a massive military considering my size but i have modernised it
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8370/chn1675a4pe7.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a4pe7.jpg)http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6995/chn1675a6ua4.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a6ua4.jpg)
Finances are looking good. As you can see i'm getting over 2200 bpt. Tech path is sorted out. With my 2 GA's coming those research times will drop. Add labs and i'm thinking around the 30 turn mark for the total time. That puts it around 1800AD
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2790/chn1675a5pf7.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a5pf7.jpg)http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4215/chn1675a7yi3.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a7yi3.jpg)
Now for the foreign news. Nearest i can tell i'm 1 turn of research ahead of simon and 1 turn behind akots although both gaps are fairly steady right now. Simon and Beam made peace. Simon finally figured out he it wasn't going anywhere. I got Beams as an ally out which might prove useful for 2 reasons.
First off Stapel has annouced himself as a gun for hire. He switched civics to vasselage and theocracy and built the pentagon. After some talks with him about make our peace permanant and him attacking someone else i got a temp deal to 1750. Given my power numbers compared to him i'm no in the mood to give much for a longer peace. While it would be nice to not have an annoyance i'm not going to give him my shirt just for him to stay away. I'm thinking even a preemptive strike might be called for.
Secondly i see this.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/600/chn1675a8sb4.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1675a8sb4.jpg)
Don't really know why akots would be going for the UN. Bit of a waste unless he thinks he can pull off a diplomatic win. He might get Shabba to agree and possibly Matrix, but i can see Simon voting for him, Beams on my side and stapel already has the intention to play party pooper on someones coastline. Otherwise the only other thing i can think of is that he wants nukes banned. Hopefully i can get enough votes to be head of the UN and control that situation but its will add another twist to this saga.
Hope your all enjoying the reading :)
killercane
28-11-2007, 11:54
Well he had those GAs lying around, maybe he thought might as well use em for UN and make some global civics? Also maybe the +1 trade routes is good for him (what civics are you in?)?
+1 trades benefits everyone. I would think it would benefit me the most since i have the most cities.
My civics are Representation - Free Speech - Caste System - State Property - Free Religion.
The biggest pain would be losing State Prop. but who would vote for environmentalism? Akot and myself are the only ones not running emancipation. I got the GP's i need so a switch would not be a tragedy but still very annoying. Rep for U.S doesn't bother me, could use a couple extra hammers when building the spaceship.
My only concern is that akots can get others to vote for him to win. He would definately have shabbas support. It hard to judge with the rest. The best thing for me to do is to get people to vote for me to be cheif at the UN then i control the resolutions.
1700 AD
I've just started my 1st 8 turn GA. The effect was very dramtic on the demographics.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4941/chn1700a1md8.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1700a1md8.jpg)
At the current rate i should have i should get fusion done on the 8th turn which means i could start my 2nd GA right away, although that wont see me to the finish the lead it gives me should be more than enough barring any other major plot twists.
Now for the UN. We had our first vote for UN lead and no one won. Akots had shabba support him and i had matrix, the others abstained. As far as Beam goes that annoys me. Given the support i gave in his war with simon i would expect when i asked him for his vote he said yes. He also asked for free religion civic to be put on the table i said yes it will be first up. I don't care that i didn't get voted in, i wouldn't had done much anyway but he said he would and the he didn't, that annoys me. Also had he voted for me i would have had enough votes to get in.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8052/chn1700a2ua7.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1700a2ua7.jpg)
Finally i will be able to run 100% research the majority of the way thanks to this guy. He is half way to simons spot and i'm counting on at least 2k in gold.
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/966/chn1700a3rj9.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1700a3rj9.jpg)
Your GA didn't give you #1 pop, I'm disappointed. Double GA looks brutal.
GA's increase gold and production not[shag] [lol]
I do have more pop points then akots, however since a larger population increase with each point and akots having a couple of 24 pop cities his population on the demographics is slightly larger.
If you look at the UN election i get 318 votes to his 284.
1740 AD
It 2 turn it will be on. Stapel for simple want of destruction will go to war with me. Having assessed he can't win he decided to try to change the result of who will win. He said in a PM he would negotiate with everyone for "protection money" but his mind was already made up since the next PM i got a week later was i lost. So much for negotiation.
Anyway my 1st GA ended with me getting Fusion this turn, hence my 2nd GA has begun. This should get me Plastics, Robotics and refridgeration. Both akots and Simon are a number of turns behind in research, so i'll be a long way ahead by the end of the 2nd GA.
I noticed simon started building the Internet this turn. It will take him 13 turns to build so i'll be just about finished with research anyway, and since akots is level with him i don't see him getting much benefit out of it.
Finally i got voted into the UN 2nd time around. Darkness was covering for Beam the last time and was unaware of the deal. Anyway i put up Free Religion which Beam and matrix both wanted and which would have help me get stapel out of theocracy but matrix failed to log in the turn of the vote and it just failed.[rolleyes]
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5741/chn1740a1zi5.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1740a1zi5.jpg) http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4141/chn1740a2kv9.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1740a2kv9.jpg)
Here is how the forces are stacking up. Stapel is virtuall putting his entire GNP into unit building and has gone past me on numbers. However i still have more ships. since he needs to spend time on land units too. My main job is to stop them getting there. Also with Robotics i can mass upgrade to Mech Infantry. Even if i lost a city or two, all my main space cities are in land except Zvezda, but that can be covered by block up the bay. Stapel does have an advantage of extra promotions for his units so its definately going to be interesting.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5615/chn1740a3uc6.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1740a3uc6.jpg) http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3344/chn1740a4nd9.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1740a4nd9.jpg) http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7114/chn1740a5on4.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1740a5on4.jpg)
Dont you find Stapel most annoying...
I offered co-operation early with him. His response..neither of us can win so I will wage war since its fun.( paraphrase) I am glad to see that it wasnt just me he couldnt play nice with. Maybe he just hates "Robs"
You look to have things in order. You also look like you can trade cities for time. Just hope the aztec doesnt have nukes.
Don't knock stapel too much. Robi tried to play that same role in the klammi game, I tried to play that role against you rob in the 18 player MTDG, and probably gonna have to do it in my BTS PAL pitboss. It is part of the game, but it looks like robi is pretty set for it this go around.
Not at all, i was trying to win. My odds were low but it was a genuine effort to put myself in a better position. I'm not saying what stapel is donig is wrong but it is highly annoying. He stated purpose is just that, to annoy me and possibly stop me winning the game because its "fun". He seems to hold it against me that i put in a major effort into being on good terms with everyone and therefore peaceful.
At least i know for future games there is no pleasing him and will just whack him straight away and be done with it.
No no, I didn't mean as a being a butthole to do it, but always as a way for advancement. Then again, you only know what he's saying, not what his plans or earlier diplomatic negotiations might have been made. You might be getting played by one of your "peaceful" nations.
I'm sure someones behind it. My guess would be simon.
Anyway its 1750 and he attacked on two direction, one at the north of japan the other at the south of japan.
I won the battle 9 ships sunk to 5 which dented his power lead.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/92/chn1750a1kz9.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1750a1kz9.jpg)
The one odd thing has been he has sent all his transports empty. Don't get that, unless he is just hope to turn it into just a straight slug out to wear me down. But then i'm comfortable with that, i have more that enough cities to keep pumping out ships. I have 5 space cities all away from the action.
Also simons saving up a lot of gold with building the internet but since you can't rush space parts it could be to support stapel in the meantime. I'm also thinking of sabotaging simons internet build as it gets close.
Seems incredibly stupid to send empty transports unless they're fodder for another wave coming you don't see??? Either way I think you're golden. You way out produce him, and it's much harder attacking than defending. Especially if your troop numbers aren't significantly more then the defenders.
The fodder is just giving my ships XP's
BTW i got a great general, can he be attached to a ship?
killercane
11-12-2007, 21:24
Pretty sure they can.
That would be a Great Admiral...
As long as i can get a 5 promotion battleship i'm not fussed what he is called
Just went into the game, shabba hadn't played his turn so i had a look around.
To my surprise, when i did crunched the numbers, barring any major changes to the current situation i will be launch my space ship anf winning the game in 17 turns[:o]. Even i thought i was looking at a minimum of 30. Even if it out by one or two turns that still put victory before 1810.
Could have this game wrapped up by christmas if stapel would stop attacking me and we went back to our 3 turns per 2 days average.
Just in case anyone was wondering, i was able to attach the GG to my battleship.
1770 AD
I'm offical willing to conceed, this game hates me, or at the very least has a strong dislike.
Stapel managed to capture Zlatna last turn. Why he chose to hold it and not raze is his buisness. That was partially my fault in that i dithered in reinforceing the island (and Zlatna) for a turn.
But as luck would have it, it presented me with an unbelieveable oppertunity for he had decided to leave 6 battleships, 4 destroyers and 3 transports in the city. The numbers showed a had a good chance of success if, IF the rng for once in this damn game was nice to me at an important moment (the rare moments it choose to be nice have always been when the result was already certain)
So what would happen?
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3074/chn1770a1jc5.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1770a1jc5.jpg)
Yeap, he held on, just by the skin of 3 very wounded marines. By sheer chance there were 3 battles that went against the odds in my action, all three against me. 3 tanks lost a 70.9%, 72.4% and 78.9% battle. Had the city not been on a hill it wouldn't have mattered since i could have blitzed a second turn with the surviving tanks but such is my luck in this game. Had i won Stapels navy would have dissapeared in the blink of an eye and it would have been smooth sailing to the finish line.
On a slighty positive note with Mech Inf available along with gold for mass upgrades i jumped ahead of Stapel in power, and with most of his marines dead i should at least get a brief pause to regroup.
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1320/chn1770a2zt7.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1770a2zt7.jpg)
Still this has opened the door slightly for akots who has done an unbelievable job lifting his production to be almost on par with my non-GA levels. The guy is definately a great player.
killercane
15-12-2007, 14:46
Thats balls. Akots is workshopping his lands or his gnp is still the second highest?
transports werent empty...BTS hide the contents...IIRC.
This is warloads. I'm guessing the filled transport were trailing behind.
Akots GNP hasn't fallen at all so i'm not really sure how he is managing it at this point
And it is balls, lots of balls! I had a witty remark all ready to go to put in the open thread. Who knows i might get luck and stapel will miss this turn. Wont hold my breathe.
killercane
15-12-2007, 16:01
What was your witty comment?
I dont know if the BTS dll changed the boat thing for all games or ?
I suppose it might have. I didn't even know it had changed for BtS until now. I guess some research is in order.
As for the comment, Stapel made a post about how everyone should come and see the aztec city in south japan. I would have replied;
What can i say, you beat me. To show you there is no hard feeling i've sent you a little gift, a silk t-shirt embossed with the words "I lost my entire navy in one turn and all i got was this stupid t-shirt" I hope you wear it with pride.
Hard to count the tiles without the lines down, is it a good launching spot for another amphibious assault with his transports? Otherwise I would think that he would want to raze it also. It doesn't look like it's a major blow to your space hunt though.
Can you DM his marines with what's left of your army, this turn?
quote:Originally posted by mauer
Hard to count the tiles without the lines down, is it a good launching spot for another amphibious assault with his transports? Otherwise I would think that he would want to raze it also. It doesn't look like it's a major blow to your space hunt though.
I wound not have thought so. Any trip to another city from there is 2 turns. The research has suffered a little but its not much, at worse i'll be delayed 1 turn on my previous finishing estimate.
quote:Originally posted by Beorn
Can you DM his marines with what's left of your army, this turn?
No i looked at every possibility. I have about 15 units that could reach it next turn but he would have moved out by then.
1785AD
Stapel was able to pull out before losing Zlatna however he didn't go far. He left is damaged fleet in range with a couple of extra brought in for support.
So Operation counterstrike was launched. The full weight of my navy was brought in to pound on his stack with great success. Even won a couple of 30% battles although i did lose a 60% one aswell, luck was on my side... for a change[beer1]
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9008/chn1785a1ej2.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1785a1ej2.jpg)
The plan is that the 2 fresh battleships and destroyer take on the 3 forward based battleships, while the 9 ships i have out there attack the rear group which is full of juicy transports along with my 2 subs. This news has given stapel a wake up call since he didn't end his turn so this might come down to a login battle. Actually stapel lost a lot of his strut recently, getting wailed on does that to you i guess:D. Anyway if successful this would decimate his navy and give me one less headache. Which is good because i have another one now.
Simon will have the internet next turn. He will also discover robotics. Akots will have fusion next turn. Simon also launched his golden age 2 turns ago. I will have genetics next turn. This combination of events means simon will have the exact techs as me and it will be a straight build race. Had akots resaeched robotics as well then it would be an issue since he would miss out on fusion.
I do have one move up my sleeve. I'll call it operation spoilsport. Simon capital is defended by a single chariot at this point, and give my 7MP transport i can hit it with him seeing me. I'll be loading up the transport with 2 marines and 2 infantry just in case he defends it a bit better in the meantime. I can hit it in 7 turns from now which would be perfect since it would leave no time for retaliation. I'll do a more detailed post next time around
1800 AD
The game is very very close to finishing. Hopefully we can do it before christmas so we are not left hanging for 1 or 2 turns.
First off, the "Hey look at my massive nation" screenshot:D
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2086/chn1800a1nw5.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1800a1nw5.jpg)
And the Victory and Demographics screens
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I start with Stapel. It seems he is more than happy to continue being an ass so i am more than happy to continue whacking him over the head. A perfect example of the laws of physics, Action and Reaction. Still with only about 6 turns to go he ain't going to be doing anything. All his ships are gone save for a couple of destroyers in port. And he has no marines left since they went down with all his transports, and his infantry are just going to bounce off my coast if he tried that path, oh wait he has no ships... never mind[lol] Anyway here is a look at the Chinese Pacific.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4962/chn1800a4vz4.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1800a4vz4.jpg)
Now as for winning the game i have only 2 threats right now. Firstly and least likely is Akots claiming a diplomatic win. He got voted into the UN so he could try. He would have one shot at it since i'm 5 turns away from the end.
The second one is Simon. I can't see all his cities except for his mainland european ones. Simons Spot and Em and building Life Support and thrusters, both are 5 turns away, where as Sreberna is 6 from Life support, but his GA ends next turn and unless he has a second that will slow him down a turn.. i hope. Also next turn i'll be build workshops in the place of towns in srebrena which should knock a turn off the build.
As a backup plan i have a transport 3 turns away from simons spot filled with marines and infantry which still has only a chariot. With my transport having 7MP's (extra 2 from refrigeration and circumnavigation of world) i can hit it without him seeing it. Personally i would really prefer not to be an asshole about it, but if it comes down to it, i do not want to give stapel the pleasure of making me lose.
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1103/chn1800a5iq6.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chn1800a5iq6.jpg)
1808 AD
The game is back up and running after our christmas-new year break.
As things stand we are down to 2 turns to go
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Now simon made a comment in the open thread to the affect that he was spying on me, and i said i was doing likewise. Now he could try and sabotage the build so i'm bring back 2 of my spies into Srebrena and Konjic along with lots of troops to lessen the odds and increase the price. If he does go that route i have my transport full of marines and infantry 1 turn away from his capital and he still only has a chariot. So sabotage wont win him the game.
Also akots hasn't tried to win the game diplomatically, his UN resolution was Emancipation. So it really comes down to whether or not simon want to go the sabotage route.
As for Stapel, he hasn't been seen and my early warning system of subs and bombers on recon give me plenty of warning. In any event the coast is nice and secure.
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So there you have it. Fingers crossed nothing changes in the next 2 turns and i'll be writing about my first win.
Here's the demographics for good measure.
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1810 AD
I can see Simon had a go at sabotage and failed so thats it, just a matter of letting the turn tick over. Also stapel built manhatten but again too late[:p]
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Had simon been successful with the sabotage he would have found himself without a capital:D
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And when the turn ticked over
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Bit surprised i did end up winning given i had wasted the first 100 or so turns losing out on builds and generally wandering aimlessly. I would my startegy of massive rapid expansion gave me a chance. I wouldn't recommend it as a regular stategy, it really something for when you have lots of wide open spaces. But i have changed my mind about expansion speed, i used to think i should not let the research fall below 70%, now i'm not bothered. As long as the cities your founding are going to be very productive and not just fringe cities then there is more to gain long term by getting them in place as early as possible.
So now that i have won a game i guess i can expect more people trying to kill me:D
Good game everyone, look forward to reading all the spoilers, even if they are in russian [:p]
nice game robi
is there anyone that didnt help beam when i was at war against him?
yet again i get a podium position :(
What can i say we were all happy to help you dig yourself further into a hole.
Maybe you can explain it to me, but it was clear as day in my mind that matrix was the better target. Your one handicap was your production, something you could get more of in africa. Beam on the other hand was in the same spot as you, high commerce low production cities so there was nothing to gain.
well when i started planning the war i foolishly thought that i didnt have a chance of winning anymore as you and akots had got ahead of me, so mainly i was looking for something to do. matrix was a better target but once i'd already built the boats i figured i'd better use them.
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
nice game robi
is there anyone that didnt help beam when i was at war against him?
yet again i get a podium position :(
I didn't help beam :D
Great finish Robi. Looks like your peace deals helped you to a win in much the same way the Klammi game finished. Although I had expected Simon to do some dastardly spy work on me in that game.
I think your city spam worked marvelously in this game, but I think the chances of pulling that off again will be few and far between. I don't think you would have done that with out knowing the map before hand.
I would have more scouts then to find the spots. Limited city spamming is viable in most games if you have the deals in place and/or the location to do so, but not to the extent that i did it. 20% research for a long time had me nervous but i just sucked it up and kept going. It was fun when the cities kicked into gear and i started to reel simon and akots in.
Oh and i built courthouses everywhere, so there you go simon[tongue]
Well, I also expanded like crazy leaving only tundra to be settled closer to Industrial Age. It is fine and it is how it should be done for as long as there is room for peaceful expansion.
Having looked at everyones spoilers that are around this placed have confirmed a few suspisions along with a surprise or two.
First off akots 'aid' to stapel was not cut off after the war began, although the 10k in gold revelation was a surprise, i can only imagine how much simon gave. I knew simon was helping from the begining but it became obvious that he couldn't be helping that much so i started to suspect akots was chipping in but not that much.
Suddenly the coincidence of akots researching fusion when he did to give simon every tech with the internet seems less so.
Now, I have completely paid off Stapel's demand of 10K in 2 or may be 3 turns before the war started. ;) Also, I gave him a battleship and a transport with some units in it again in 2 or 3 turns prior to the action.
After your war started, I did not give him anything except the trades which were there for ages before the Aztec extortion started. And none of those included strategic resources. So all the rest either came from Rome or were accumulated by the mighty Aztec king himself.
The reasoning behind this was quite simple. I was plain scared he would go after me and that would be the end of the game because I was building research in most of the cities for quite a long time by the end of the game.
You raised 10k in 2 turns. Thats a fine effort.
I would point out that i made you a offer to cooperate in dealing with him. Had we both given him nothing he would not have managed half the fleet he end up with and would have had to split it between us. You would have saved most of your 10k and kept up with research.
It took me iirc about 5 turns to give him the money. And when you made me that nice offer, I already had struck a deal with him together with BCLG. So, I was in between Scylla and Charybdus and while it were really not a nice move towards you, it were never a direct violation of our treaty taken literally. You can check my spoiler for details. The whole ordeal is extensively covered there.
Overall, I think that Stapel brought a nice finishing touch to this game by swirling the intrigue to its maximum but you were still able to beat it and get yourself out without much problem. It seems, this war did not slow you down, may be maximum by one turn and even that is quite unlikely.
I lost 3 turns on my orginally estimate, one was due to stapel, when he took my city it disrupted my research just enough to add a turn to finishing off my research. Basically i had about 70 beaker buffer on my research time and lost about 200 in stapels success.
The other two down to my own miscalculation about finishing times of spaceship parts and their build order. Ideally Bakarna would have built the Stasis Chamber and Srebrena the Life Support.
quote:Originally posted by BCLG100
nice game robi
is there anyone that didnt help beam when i was at war against him?
yet again i get a podium position :(
The position of the dying Madonna. ;) Like couple of troups from Staple all to be upgraded for hard cash, said Destroyers from Robi and a handfull of resources from around the place. No fun when it started but very rewarding when we me made a General-for-Worker deal. [lol] Would you bother to explain how to transfer hammers as you proposed btw? ;)
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