Military thread!

[Kingreno]

We need some sort of overview of everybody's troops, to have some estimate who we can handle and from which dudes we need to run.

Please post your current mili strength here, and perhaps also what your goals are in the future.

K-R has:

0 troops

will go for Theutates thunder in 7 days from now.

[grs]

I have 0 troops too :)

[Socrates]

I have zero military. :D I'm a builder... ;)

Don't plan to have any troop this week either.

[Ginger_Ale]

Zero troops as well, but I think I might build a little force up to go raid an adjacent village since I have a lot nearby.

PS: K-R, you and I are very close together.

[Rik Meleet]

I have 4 and they've been busy :)

Rik Meleet attacks Gen-V CDZ - 29.10.06 05:14
Rik Meleet attacks Wil78 CDZ - 29.10.06 03:25
Rik Meleet attacks curious george CDZ - 29.10.06 02:40
Rik Meleet attacks curious george CDZ - 29.10.06 02:03
Rik Meleet attacks curious george CDZ - 29.10.06 02:32
Rik Meleet attacks robotdragon CDZ - 29.10.06 01:30
Rik Meleet attacks curious george CDZ - 29.10.06 00:38
Rik Meleet attacks curious george CDZ - 29.10.06 00:07

[j-mack]

i have about 170 clubbies.right know im building army to about 300 before i go any farther.

[Tubby Rower]

I've been clearing the way for Jokey to grow. He has been hit a few times from wc.. something and I hit him with a normal attack and killed 31 of his clubswingers :D Then I sent him a message telling him to leave Jokey alone.

[Rik Meleet]

I'm getting quiet annoyed by all the attacks on Nuno. Can we do something about that ?

[Kingreno]

I PMed the attacker and I think only a very hard strike will silence him. I, however, have no units yet...

Nuno should build a big crannie!!!!!

[Tubby Rower]

nuno's attacker is a member of an all-teuton alliance that is intent on farming neighbors. So nuno looks to be in for an uphill battle

[Kingreno]

so. build crannies.:D

[j-mack]

nuno needs lots of crannys.i talked to my brother lint1028.he is the leader of ak-47II and he says if the teutons are attacked they will probably try to destroy this alliance.he says try a defensive stand.

[Ginger_Ale]

OK, I built 1 legionnaire (:D) and did an attack (raid). I'm trying to train more troops but I need some more iron, so I have to sit tight for a bit.

[Kingreno]

Meli just got hit bigtime. 450 of each resource, all inf and his hero lost...

[Tubby Rower]

nuno and gonads have been offline for 3+ days.. when do we kick people or are we the type of alliance who'll keep people in our alliance?

[Rik Meleet]

my 4 legionairies are fine guys - the 4 of them have performed so many raids flawlessly. :)

[tofra]

Great! I never won a battle.... :-(

Subject: Duckstad2 attacks abandoned valley
sent: on 01.11.06 at 15:36:58 o'clock

Attacker tofra from the village Duckstad2
[Clubswinger]
Troops 4
Casualties 4
Info
None of your soldiers returned.

[Tubby Rower]

[lol] use the combat simulator next time

[Kingreno]

LOL. Attacking an abandonned valley with 4 clubbies..you may as well send your resources to me for a bigger embassy. [tongue]

[tofra]

Ok, but when i'm sending 100 clubswingers, 43 going to die.. But what are the bennefits of attacking an abandoned valley?

[Tubby Rower]

get a hero and/or better units ;)

[Kingreno]

Military threats:

-Kegterman is under attack a lot. I sent him a Massage telling him he needs more crannies. He's a gaul and his attackers are roman so that should stop them.

-EJK and Myself face danger from the Hellas alliance. EJK took some hits but has big crannies too. I have taken a more offensive approch building walls and traps and more importnantly Druid riders, the best anti inf unit.

[Dell19]

quote:Originally posted by tofra

Ok, but when i'm sending 100 clubswingers, 43 going to die.. But what are the bennefits of attacking an abandoned valley?


Generally I search for abandoned valleys that don't have many animals. The biggest benefit seems to be the experience that your hero gains.

[Dell19]

Annoying neighbours means that I now have a barracks. I plan on spending my resources on troops whenever I am about to be attacked.

Will have 5 Phalanxs later on today.

[Kingreno]

As you are attacked by 40 TT and 40 Druids, the 5 falanx won't do it. I suggest sending troops away to the nearest ally as reinforcements in say batches of 5? Then bring them home all at the same time. If you can coordinate this with a few allies, to make sure they sent reinforcements to you, that annoying attacker is in for one big surprise. Building a wall surely will help then.

[Dell19]

He is raiding me for resources. I don't care what I lose as long as he doesn't get resources.

[tofra]

On server three i have a hero and 15 Phalanxes.. And now what??

[Tubby Rower]

on server3 you'll get creamed with that. I just got hit this morning with 175 axes and a hero that I don't think has ever been killed. I'm thinking of quitting server 3 since this guy has it out for me ever since I attacked him one time early on. I sent his an olive branch and if he returns charred ashes, then I'll likely be a deleted account.

[Dell19]

My army on server 3:

1 Hero
321 Legionnaires
359 Praetorians
121 Imperians
15 Equites Legati
200 Equites Imperatoris

I could always pay him a visit?

[tofra]

haha! :-)

But lets say I've that on server 2.. what can I do, or what should I do?

[Tubby Rower]

that would be helpful Dell. He also has some support from a Gaul as he has phlanx as reinforcement. his userid is xGAx



@ tofra, I would get a stable up and get some Thunders trained. Phlanxes aren't too good of an attacker.... not good at all really. They don't even carry a lot of resources. Druidriders are good infantry defense. So it really depends on what you want to do.

[tofra]

Dell, can you also pay a visit to user chew_hong2 ? He has attacked me 10 times with 74 Equites Imperatoris. I had build some traps, but he freed all my prisoners... 19 of my troops have died, and only 4 from him..

[Dell19]

How many units do they have?

It looks like it would take 7 hours to reach chew and 10 hours to reach xGAx. I'll probably attack in a couple of hours as I am currently building settlers for a new village and my hero is being used defensively.

[Tubby Rower]

I take that back.. his initial force was 627 axes... I know he has a butt load of clubswingers too. Last I know (~ 20 days ago) he had 150 phlanx reinforced in his city.

There's no reason for you to get involved as he looks like a Teuton all-attack machine. and he doesn't look like he's backing down. :(

[Dell19]

Thats quite a lot of troops. I am planning on building more troops however it sounds as if I would need more troops. Plus thinking about it I would probably need catapults as well since they would have a long warning of my attack and could move out their units.

I have switched alliances recently so if I message him I may be able to convince him to stop attacking. The alliance I am in is 19th and allied with six other alliances in the top 20. My old alliance died as the top members quit rather than staying to fight.

[Tubby Rower]

my resources are starting to snowball and get up quickly. So I might continue on that path and then go nuts on the druid riders in a few weeks.

[Tubby Rower]

I got this message back from him... It looks like I wore him down [lol]

quote::)
i won't attack u any more because i'll quit this game
i dont have time to play :)

[Rik Meleet]

On server 7 I get attacked by 300 units every night. And then I get back via merchants all my lost resources. I've made a deal with the Dutch guy attacking me (he's doing it to prevent his forces being killed) that he can attack me -IF- I get my goods back.

I'm glad but I honestly don't know why he gives me back my resources. Not that I'm complaining. :)

[Kingreno]

Damn...just got hit big time. all TT are dead now. :(

[tofra]

What's the use of the rally point regrading upgrading? Why should I upgrade?

[Dell19]

You can use it to target buildings with catapults. There would be virtually no point in upgrading it at the moment.

[Rik Meleet]

Someone is attacking me (not a raid). They'll arrive in about 32 hours.
Advice please.

[grs]

If you have no chance to win, send your troops away so no one is home to be killed.
If you have a chance ask us - ur allies - to send you reinforcements in time, so you will have a sure win.

Could you post some details about his and your army size?

[Rik Meleet]

Server 1, not 2.
I have no armies, but I do have 4 level 10 crannies. A raid I can handle easily; I'm not sure what the difference is between a raid and an attack.

[grs]

An attack is fought till one army is completely destroyed and if the attackers win, they'll take loot, while a raid is only a minor battle where the attackers leave after the first round with the loot. In general you do an attack if you want to kill. Maybe he has some cats, which require an attack to do damage. The cats could destroy buildings, but not the crannies.

[Dell19]

My army on server 3:

180 Imperians
15 Equites Legati
1 Hero
857 Legionnaires
1045 Praetorians
494 Equites Imperatoris
100 Equites Caesaris

Starting to concentrate on building more cavalry now as I feel that I have plenty of defensive troops.

[Kingreno]

One of our members is being farmed:

quote:hktimklc attacks MasterCloak

the attack is a few phalanxes and swordsman+hero.

I've sent 20 Druids as reinforcement. [backstab]

Please keep an eye on attacks on our alliance as we have a large defensive capability now. [evil]

[Kingreno]

[aargh][aargh]

I forgot to reinforce the second wave of defenders and instead attacked mastercloak! Ik killed 15/20 druids and lost 7 attackers.:(

This sucks and should not be possible.

The good news is that the 5 remaining druids killed the entire attacking force by hktmilc. [swordman]

Thank god for small favours he.[wallbash][wallbash][wallbash][wallbash][wallbash]

[Tubby Rower]

[lol] that sucks but is funny

[Kingreno]

The village of Massilia (lordi's, near Rik) now has a reinforcement of a 1600 defence hero. That is killable! Anyone that is near please strike and gain taht experience for you own hero.

[Kingreno]

[goodjob]

I had a great defensive victory! I reinforced Numana's village, who was under attack for several times by WxW. A big player farming him. 33 of my 41 Phalanx died but he lost 40 Paladins (his entire force)!

[tofra]

Cool! Good job!
This is my status:
Troops:
1 Hero
19 Legionnaires
17 Imperians
1 Equites Legati
13 Equites Caesaris

[Kingreno]

Dell is being attacked a lot. He even had some catapults against him. This sucks.

As the attacker is an unalligned large Gaul, I suggest we surprise him with a coordinated reinforcement at Dell's village. His main attackers are Teutates, with a few druids among them. This means Cavalry defence, so Romans send Legionnaires, Gauls send Phalanxes and Teutons send spears.

I can send 50+ Phalanx, takes 7,5 Hours.

Please report Asap what you can do.

[grs]

It takes me 5 hours to send legions there. I only have 4 atm, but I could increase it to 10 soon.

[socralynnek]

I could send units but they take 60 hours to get there...

[Rik Meleet]

I am a bit low on military. I can send 21 legionairs + 16 Imperians in 16 hours.
It would leave my village quiet defenseless - and I still have an unfriendly L0rdi next to me.

Do you want the units ?

[Kingreno]

Anything over 10 hours sucks.

I am massing Phalanxes now, I intend to send 100+.

I propose we have the units converge on Dell's village tomorrow, 28th November at 14h CET.

Please send defensive units only! And to you teutons...please send spearmen, they are excellent against Druids and TT...

14.00H CET Dushku's Dungeon!

[tofra]

I've currently 38 spearmen.. I'm building 15 other ones.. When should I send them? Right away? It take 4:48h..

[Rik Meleet]

I think it's best to coordinate the arrival of troops at 14:00 CET. That way our chances of victory are very much larger than when we send them in small batches.

[Kingreno]

Make sure they arrive around 14.00 CET tomorrow!

Let's surprise this Azur[evil]

[tofra]

Kingreno, would you be my sitter? Then you can dispatch them at 9:10h?

[Kingreno]

That's ok! I am pretty certain to be online at that time.

[Dell19]

I'm building 40 phalanxs again. He attacked me ages ago and a bit annoying that he decided to attack today when I haven't been able to login as regularly.

[Kingreno]

Build your wall as high as you can!

[Tubby Rower]

Where are we sending troops? I haven't been online for 5 days. I can send some spears. I also have axes, clubs and paladins if needed

[Kingreno]

Dell19's town! check the time of travel and make sure they arrive around 14h CET tomorrow (28th). Spears and Paladins are ok, keep your offensive dudes at home.

Dell, what is your surplus grain production?

[tofra]

Did you ask if he would stop attacking??

[Rik Meleet]

Tofra: If K-R cannot sit your account (max = 2) you can make me a sitter. I'll send the troops then.

[Kingreno]

I have cancelled my grs sittership (is that a word?) so I am available.

[Dell19]

quote:Originally posted by Kingreno

Dell19's town! check the time of travel and make sure they arrive around 14h CET tomorrow (28th). Spears and Paladins are ok, keep your offensive dudes at home.

Dell, what is your surplus grain production?


435

and I have 5000 grain anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.

[tofra]

K-R: You can use all my spearfighters.. (Duckstad2 and Eindhoven2)

[Kingreno]

Ok E.T.A. 1547 CET. I was late.

120 Phalanx on the way.

I will arrange Tofra's spears to ararive at the same time.

I will also check in on Dell's account, for a higher wall.

[Kingreno]

That attacker of Dell is an ass. He's massing catapults and continues to strike, Dell lost another cropfield. [u]we MUST act</u>.

Check your range to the attacker and tell me what you can send at him. I advise to send massive numders, he likely has traps.

[Rik Meleet]

that takes time.

[tofra]

K-R: can you ask one of our strongest allies if they can help us?

EDIT: RO_UN, RO_BUC, E.E are the biggest.. Can you ask them to help? (prepare a mass attack?)
I'm building 25 other axefighters, but it takes 3 hour to get there..

[Kingreno]

I want CDZ to solve this. This is a single big player, asking our allies is a bit lame IMO.

I can send 60 Theutates in 3 hours. But I prefer weaker troops to fill his traps first.

so we have:
tofra, 50 Axes, 3 hours
K-R, 60 TT, 3 Hours

More please!!!

[Rik Meleet]

I cannot help at the moment with the war effort. I've send my complete army for defense to Dell19. It takes time to build up more forces. Besides that - an "attack" with EQ L (fast scout unit) takes well over 5 hours - an attack with Legionairs over 14 hours.

I will build up a force of Equites Imperatoris but don't expect large number soon.

Anyone close that I can send resources to ?

[socralynnek]

I have send crop to Dell (and other stuff to K-R) to support you, at least the merchants are much faster than the troops...

[Tubby Rower]

I'm over a day away, so I can't helpunless I send them now

[Kingreno]

If it gets to offence a day isn't that bad at all. As long as it is coordinated with attacks by other CDZ members.

[grs]

I sent 18 legions and a def hero to dell arriving at about 15-16.

[Tubby Rower]

even my paladins will take a while

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[Dell19]

Thanks for the reinforcements btw. :)

[Rik Meleet]

How many units have you got now ?

[Dell19]

Troops:
1 Hero
13 Phalanxes
49 Legionnaires
16 Imperians
8 Equites Caesaris


He is going to attack before more reinforcements arrive so I am not sure whether to keep the troops here or send them back for now. It might be enough troops.

[Kingreno]

Damn. realy? that's not good...

[Tubby Rower]

How many of those are yours?

[Kingreno]

None. I've sent 120 Phalanx due in 30 minutes.

[Dell19]

All our troops died. :(

On the plus side he lost his hero and only 3 of his troops returned.

[Rik Meleet]

Costly for me :(

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[Kingreno]

This is rotten bad luck. In 10 minutes 54 Spears (65 cav defence) and 120 Phalanx (50 cav def) arrive. :(

[Rik Meleet]

Well - the good thing is that I'll soon have a Eq Ceasar Hero instead of an Imperian leader.

[Tubby Rower]

almost killed him. He only had 3 units survive.. and his hero is dead.

[Dell19]

He has more units though.

[tofra]

First defend has been succesfull!
killed:
35x Theutates Thunder out of 37
9x Haeduan out of 10
1x Hero out of 1

The next units of K-R and myself are now there to defend Dell..
120 Phalanx
79 Spearman
1 Hero

[grs]

1/2 an hour before my def hero arrived :(

[tofra]

Do we also have another problem with MAFIA? g1y1q1 is attacked three time in one hour by members of this alliance...

[Tubby Rower]

he has been inactive and this leads me to say that I'd be inclined to dump him rather than protect him

[Rik Meleet]

he's not inactive - his indicator is green.

[Tubby Rower]

oh. I thought that I saw his indicator red the other day and was just mouthing off from memory

[Ginger_Ale]

I got slammed HARD HARD HARD by zAyO (he has no alliance). He attacked with 61 Swordfighters and 22 Theutates Thunder. :( I only had 6 legions...

His village is Massilia, at (-121,-129). I'm going to build up my crannies a bit more and the walls...

[Rik Meleet]

Or traps ;)
I got attacked (on a different server) by 250 EQ Centarians. Since then I'm building up traps to make him pay a lot. They cost 4 food per hour.

[Tubby Rower]

if you don't trap them all and can't defend the remaining ones, then they'll free their friends. so build both traps and defense

[Ginger_Ale]

I'm Roman - that means I can't build traps, right?

I got hit hard again, by even a few more troops...

[Kingreno]

Only Gauls have traps.

I am planning a massive reinofrcement for tomorrow. I have removed a large portion of forces from Dell, who seems to have decent defence from others. For the evening hang in there and please upgrade your wall if you can as that will certainly benefit 120 Phalanxes and 30 Druids defending.
I will try to send a little food along with the reinforcement but if other can help too that would be great. Of course other reinforcements will be welcome too, but please wait till I can coordinate a bit more.
Tubby, if you can make a defensive praetorian a hero you can send him away to me for the night and I can retreat him for you in the morning, so he will benefit from the experience!

[Tubby Rower]

I'm teuton on server 2. I currently have a clubswinger hero @ level 0 that I am suiciding into a abandoned valley so that I can make a paladin hero.

I had someone scout me so I might need to keep some units around the campfire

[Rik Meleet]

1500 food send to KingReno for the war effort.
BTW: I'm farming J-mack - he has no defenders and lots of stuff.

[Ginger_Ale]

I am training an Imperian defensive hero...

[Kingreno]

I sent 120 Phalanx, 15 druids and one scout to ginger_ale. They will arrive at 9.36 Hours!

[Ginger_Ale]

Just in time! He is raiding me in under 5 minutes...will report back. I have a level 6 city wall...

[Ginger_Ale]

You lost 74 phalanx, 1 pathfinder, and 9 druidriders...sorry. I lost 5 of my imperians, but my defensive hero survived! :) More importantly, we killed all of the attackers (95 total, compared to 89 of ours). Thanks a lot Kingreno, I think with him out of the way I can finally defend myself properly (I've researched Praetorians).

[Tubby Rower]

woot

[Kingreno]

[dance]

The losses are annoying and will take time to build up again but it's worth it. We cannot let our villages be raided like a flock of sheep.
I will keep the reinforcements there a little longer and a new scout has been sent to check for enemy scouts.

My next target is Jack Sparrow. I intend to surprise his offense too, but would appreciate some help, either resources or defensive troops arriving the same time as mine.

For those of you too far away from the action...any resources are greatly appreciated as losing 89 units is ok but costly too.

[Tubby Rower]

I can send some paladins... I think that I have ~ 30. where to send them?

EDIT:: I have 33 currently plus a paladin hero (level 0)

EDIT:: EDIT:: I also sent 1000 clay and 2000 crop to K-R

[Kingreno]

You are quite far from the intended target Tubby, it would take ages for your troops to get there.

Thanx for the resources! You too Rik!

[Ginger_Ale]

Sent 500 iron, 250 clay, 250 wood...will send more (currently I can only have 2 merchants at a time) tonight.

I improved my hero's defensive ability even more, so thanks again KR. I've already started my Praetorian defense force...

[Kingreno]

It's realy no biggie. The key to a decent alliance is reinforcement.

[Tubby Rower]

Does anyone need some re-inforecement. I really don't anyone around me to raid so I'm sitting on some units that are not doing anything. Unless we kick one of my neighbors from the alliance and then I could farm them [backstab] [lol] j/k

[Kingreno]

Reinforcement planned for TheFuzz, being attacked by Jack sparrow.

Planned ETA 20.00 CET.

Please check distance and send a few troops if you can. also small ammounts of crop would be needed.

I will send 90 Phalanx and 1 scout.

[Rik Meleet]

Jack Sparrow has scouted me as well. But I don't need troops (yet)

[Kingreno]

I noticed. He's obviously carefull. I hope he makes the mistake in attacking theFuzz because he thinks he "knows" it.[evil]

[Rik Meleet]

I'm now scouting him :)

[Catalin]

May I have a suggestion. I know I'm the smallest player in the alliance, but please listen to my advice.

I was founder of a small alliance in s3, we all started there as begginers in travian and we had peace in the beggining. But once the majority of the players got to 200 population, some bigger guys started to farm us and we could not defend because only my bigger general had some army, the rest were only raising buildings.

In just one week, nobody would make alliance with us, or help us because all the alliances said we are farms. We had to merge our alliance with a bigger one, but those players were also beginners and had no much armies.

Players from top 20 then decided to enter a wing of a very big alliance, and they were about the only ones to survive... From my initial alliance, only me (the leader) and two other generals used to build large armies.

I have been learning something by playing as a sitter for my bigger general. You should focus on building a large army from the barracks, don't waist resources and time for something else. They are cheaper and better! Kick out inactive players, they kill your diplomacy; you will have a very pleasent surprize to discover they are very good farms for you instead for the enemy.

Choose the guy from your alliance that you know he likes to make big army, and tell all the other members to send him resources every day until that guy has a bigger army than players from MAFIA. It's just like that, it started with my alliance... just one single enemy started to farm some of my members... and within one week we were destroyed!

So, my advice is...
- 1 general with 500 - 1000 attack troops (imperians or axefighters)
- all memebers, send resources to general
- all members build crannies equal to warehouse!
- kick out inactive players

[Ginger_Ale]

I agree totally - but first, I'm trying to get to lvl 10 of all resource fields - then I'm going to build up my military and go raid. Right now I think of K-R as our leader somewhat, and he has the embassy, and we send him resources to help build that up. I don't know if we should have one designated "general", but what about a "Requests" thread, where people can post requests for army reinforcements or resources if they need either of those?

[Kingreno]

We are sort of anarchists, everyone is a king IMO.:D

But for a more realistic point of view, I think everyone should do what suits best. There are 4 different roles:
-A general needs to be online a LOT, prefferably with 2 sitters who are also in that role. If they sit for eachother 3 generals is best. Yahworld is probably best suited for one of the 3, others are more open. I myself am defi not a general as I am short on time.
-A Defender, well, he defends. They reinforce cities under attack and thus build more defensive units. This requires far less online time. I am definately a defender.
-A Feeder. They are simcityplayers, production is life which is power. They play peacefully and send resources to generals and defenders in times of war, while expanding themselves in peace. They need not waste their resources on Armoury or blacksmith as they rather purchase troops from defenders. They need not be online very often as well.
-Other. Any player not fitting the 3 other categories.

As far as I am concerned we respect anyones playingstyle as long as it benefits our alliance! We MUST act as a team and in war or peace spend our resources ackordingly.
If you have made up your mind it is wise to let others know what your strategy is as that will surely help in game.

[Socrates]

quote:Originally posted by Kingreno

We are sort of anarchists, everyone is a king IMO.:D

Yeah well said, I am a king. The king of the chair !! [lol]

quote:-A Feeder. They are simcityplayers, production is life which is power. They play peacefully and send resources to generals and defenders in times of war, while expanding themselves in peace. They need not waste their resources on Armoury or blacksmith as they rather purchase troops from defenders. They need not be online very often as well.

Yeah, I'm a fucking SimCity player, and food is powa is food !! [thumbsup] Except that I am a compulsive builder and at first try to build every building in the game. And I found more villages (a 3rd one is being secretely prepared). And I'm your Big Mamma feeding her GI Joes. Yeah that's what I am. Too bad my village is located in the South Pacific... [mischief]

[Catalin]

:d yea ok, I agree, we're not at war. I guess I was just panicked LOL. By the way, I'm glad to see you again, I forgot to pay the internet connection and could not enter the game 2 days. If you ask about my strategy, well, I only want to build barracks, academy, blacksmith and armoury, and upgrade all possible resource fields so I can have lots of imperians. But I'm too small for that right now.

[tofra]

Is there any war going on right now? My units are complaining they don't get the training which was promised. ;)

[Ginger_Ale]

No, not really. I'm just raiding some Nature valleys for experience. The guy who I was farming (must've been on vacation, because he was never growing) for 1000+ of each resource quit. :(

[Togidubnus]

Pekepe70 has pretty much destroyed adamsto (his other neighbour) and scouts me regularly. I am building a strongish army (79 phalanx, 46 swordfighters, 9 pathfinders, 11 Theutates Thunders, 7 druidriders and a defensive hero)- working on more of the druidriders now. So far P-70 has left me alone since I got my crannies up to scratch, but I may well be able soon to offer some defensive work to any armies (or heros!) requiring experience.

[Ginger_Ale]

Let me know if you would like any resources or units in aid (they would be Equites Imperatoris/Equites Caesaris). Too bad my hero is offensive...

[Catalin]

we should also organise a defence against hantas. look at the attack reports from the alliance.

[Catalin]

keep growing the armies people! I see many of you almost have troops = population, but there are still some of the members who don't. I'm still quite small to really help you, but if you need any of my troops just send me a message and I will not hesitate to follow your call!

[Kingreno]

I got myself setting up nice. I found a 15 cropper and build a city there after securing a location next to the 15 cropper to defend it. My army is growing, and in about 2 weeks troops (swordmen) will be pumped out of the 15 cropper. My other towns will supply resources and keep building phalanx.

[Ginger_Ale]

I now can build fire catapults! :D

[Kingreno]

I would like reinforcements at Milfifia, my second city or my capitol. Please send troops only when they are not needed by yourself. I would also like to limit troop types: send Praetorians, Spearfighters and Haeduans ONLY. No other units. Thanks in advance. Crop is not a problem.

[Melifluous]

I am but a poor farmer. I have 200/200/200/200 production and warehouse and granary at 5000 totally protected even from a Teuton attack.

I am looking to get my buildings up so I can build Praets and then send them to whoever needs them :)

[meli]

[Togidubnus]

Just got scouted by Singleton Mosby - largest player in BM SW alliance. FYI only.

[Ginger_Ale]

CWM -&gt; [fdevil]

Things were much more fun without them...in any case, I just ordered the construction of 125 praetorians, done in about 24 hours. Hopefully CWM will just go attack someone else...

[Rik Meleet]

I've send a shitload of units to you guys for defense. I am now without defense. If you don't need them anylonger -&gt; send them back please.

[Ginger_Ale]

Rik, you can remove them yourself by clicking "withdraw" on your rally point.

The news that perhaps K-R can convince CWM to stop is promising.

[Togidubnus]

though I think the "perhaps" bit is rather crucial to their message!

[Kingreno]

tsk tsk tsk. My diplo skills are wellknown here. [cheerl]

[Ginger_Ale]

What is Stenlito doing attacing Catalin of his own alliance??

[Catalin]

lol, the troops of Stenlito entered my city and they realised they were not alone :p but they met cavalry from K-R and got mad and decided to kill them. Situation got out of control, 1 chevalier of K-R survived and Stenlito's troops retreated and go home. after that, Stenlito decided to send me back the phalanxes, phalanxes are more disciplined and they make good team with cavalry :p

:)))

that was a mistake, Stenlito selected the "raid" button when sending troops to me. that happens from time to time... don't worry. i'm just curious if we got any offence and defence points for this incident :D i have no idea how it works in this case of friendly fire.

[grs]

About reinforcements:

I don't think it is reasonable to send troops over a long distance usually. I did send multiple reinforcement the last days that traveled 10 or more hours and all of them arrived too late and were sent back without any effect. Unless you know of a specific attack that takes even longer I do not think it is a good idea to send troops as reinforcements over such long distances. What do you think?

[Catalin]

yes, i noticed that. i will receive in the future a reinforcement that traveled all over the travian s2 map for about 30 hours :)))

what can i say, i'm not an expert defender coordinator :p
i just have stolen that trick from the alliance i'm in, in s3, and luckily it worked for us too, i must say, our alliance is very united, the effect was remarcably good :D

sooo... yes... it doesn't make too much sense to send a reinforcement that travels too much... but i don't know, should we set a time limit? and what would that be? i better leave that for each player to make his own estimation until we learn better how to coordinate this.

in my personal opinion (but that's not necesarilly for all of us, it's just for my own account) - i would send reinforcements in the limit of 6 hours. but since we don't have enough experience with this, i let the nature do the work :)

[Superfrodo]

Long distance reinforcements aren't always usefull, true.
I find a time limit of 6 hours acceptable!
When somebody is under attack for a long period, you can always leave your troops there for a longer periode. The city receiving the reinforcements should send the troops back if he doesn't need them anymore.

Though it seems we have peace now. :p

[ipgrms]

I have 16 000 units ready. but I need to know more. Can you all post the units please?

[ipgrms]

16000 units ready from me. Can I have your troop count also?

[Togidubnus]

gosh. amusing.

[Kingreno]

Common guys we have [u]finaly</u> done it! CWM have actually googled US!!! This means we are defi defi top 5 material now. Just keep up the good work guys. Oh, any news on our combo attack on Apache and Hellas yet?

[elcuervo]

Yeah you guys just got famous over night, 15 min of fame, enjoy y´all [thumbsup]

nice forum though, i like reading it [drunks1] and i love you smilies, they rock [charge]

[Togidubnus]

Pekepe70 from the village 1 Via Appia

Troops 565 0 216 0 0 104 0 0 0 0 1
Casualties 26 0 10 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0
Prisoners 71 0 27 0 0 12 0 0 0 0 0
Info You freed 110 own troops.
Bounty 2676 4437 2988 8459


Defender Togidubnus from the village Alesia

Troops 50 24 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 1
Casualties 50 24 6 3 0 0 0 0 0 2 1

Looks like the deal is off....... the tragedy is two lost settlers, when my third was about ready for training.

[Togidubnus]

another five attacks, with catas. He took about 10 casualties, but my resources are badly hit. reinforcements gratefully accepted.

[Ginger_Ale]

I would keep building up your defense, and send them to someone else's village as reinforcements. Then, (use the combat simulator) let us know when you think you can stop him. In the mean time, build crannies/spend your resources...

[Togidubnus]

also now making -40 crop per hour, thanks to some friendly local reinforcements.... if anyone has some spare crop I would be very grateful.

[socralynnek]

troops would take 60 hours, but I have send you 5000 crop, I am producing it currently quite fast...

[Togidubnus]

thank you very much indeed. Big set of battles last night - now down to 3 druidfighters! He lost 357 troops, of whom 35 were nice expensive catapults.....

[Ginger_Ale]

I was just scouted by a nearby CWM village. He only has about 700 more points than I. Luckily, I have a city wall level 11 (level 12 in a few hours), 205 praetorians (with 45 in creation), 250 imperians, 50 equites imperatores, 40 equites caesares. Just letting you know, no reinforcements needed. Hopefully he was deterred enough.

[Ginger_Ale]

Okay, well so far they haven't attacked, and I don't think they will (unless it's only of my other 2 villages, which only have 25 praetorians each). That's good...

[Rik Meleet]

Krys (inactive) is being attacked a fucking lot. Nothing we can do, right ?

[Ginger_Ale]

No, but he can actually delete his account rather than be farmed and then kicked from the game. If one of you have his IM/email/something you can tell him to go delete it (I think it's under Profile or something).

[Kingreno]

IIRC krys was going to quit. It takes 3 days to delete the account.

[Togidubnus]

if anyone within 2 hours of me can spare some crop I would be most grateful: I am due to run out at about 11.15am CET-1
sorry to be on the scrounge again!

on a higher note, nothing from Pekepe70, so either he has given up (hmm!) or has been building troops (ah!): either way, can I hang onto the troops until I have built my settlers up again? let me know if you want to retrieve them for home defence,,,,

[Ginger_Ale]

I sent 1000.

Holy hell, you20092 got attacked by someone at CWM with 4000+ swords. [eek]

[Togidubnus]

thanks Ginger.

[Catalin]

i think it was a bad idea to set that 6-hours time limit. it doesn't really matter it takes 10 hours, important is to get the troops there, right?

1st problem about long distances is that it's difficult to move them from one city to another; 2nd, is that not everybody's troops will arrive at the same time so the attacker could just simply kill reinforcements one by one.

let's try a different aproach and try to save any of us who's in trouble. we need to coordinate this, and make the troops arrive all of them in the same aproximate span of time; so when someone from the other side of the world ask for help, we send lots of troops and make them arrive in 2 or 3 days, but we make them arrive all of them at once.

but in order to make this system work, i need you to send private message to me and let me decide when the troops are supposed to arrive and how much to send from each member.

i'm not sure this will work, but ... what a hell? let's just give it a try?... our first attempt on this defence worked well and saved some of us, we just need to improve it.

[Togidubnus]

sounds like a plan - though a lot of effort for you. Also, if we are within a close distance and can get them there before the attack, then it has to be worth it if only to give the bad guys a bloody nose: bigger full-on reinforcements can come along later. We don't want to slow down the immediate response.

[Deanatwar]

hmm.. good plan, well as the defence plan, sorta worked for me, as ive not been attcked for a while yet. we might as well try it out.
*oh and thanks you all for sending reinforcements to me, if u would like them back just ask and i will.*

[Rik Meleet]

Catalin: PM on CDZ or PM on Travian ?

[Catalin]

TRAVIAN by all means! this requires fast-speed high-tech comunication :)

i would also like to point out a few things,
- ideally would be that many players send small troops instead of few players sending large troops; it's not perfect now, it looks like only a few big players send massive reinforcements and the rest don't; that makes us vulnerable!
- don't forget to support with crop
- send some scouts also
- the defender MUST rebuild his army, let's just say that each member should have at any moment of time an aproximate of 1/2 of his population, defensive troops; if you don't have this ratio then it means you're doing something wrong...
- defender must send me attack reports

[Kingreno]

I'd like to add that a defender must prioritize on WALLS and CROP first whenever we are comming to the rescue. It is a lot more helpfull if 300 Reinforcements are defending behind 3 extra levels of wall, then the 10-20 extra units that the defender may get built by himself (but are more likely to be killed).
Also, please do send us the crop per hour and Storage in the grannary information. It gives the Mass-messager a clearer view on what to ask for in defence.[swordman]

On long distance. We need a few players that get very high level Druids and Haeduans. These are excellent defensive units with enormous speed. They can reach most places within 12 hours. [charge]

[Rik Meleet]

I am roman - I cannot build those troops. I can build Equites Ceacaris though.

[Kingreno]

I do not thing EC or EI should be used for reinforcements at all, except the utter emergency. Their cost compared to defence is definately not worth it, while their attack is the best in the game. The 4 and 3 Crop per hour does not help either.
Roman players should focus on offence, economy and Praetorians. Teutons on Offence, Plundering and Spearfighters. Gauls should focus on defence.

[Togidubnus]

still all quiet from Pekepe70, but our old friend yahworld just scouted me.... thanks again for all the reinforcements that you have so patiently left with me!

[Kingreno]

He must be bored!

I do not miss my troops so they can stay as long as you want. :)

[Togidubnus]

thanks, pal.

[Ginger_Ale]

12 attacks by nearby CWM members incoming in a bit more than 2 hours. :(

Luckily not to my capital, so I moved my insufficient troops from my city being attacked to my capital for safekeeping.

I will try to use up all my resources/send them via the marketplace to my capital so they aren't stolen. This isn't a call for reinforcements, yet.

[Ginger_Ale]

Oh great, another 6 attacks incoming in 7 hours by some farther away CWM guy who has lots of villages. I fear catapults... :(

[Ginger_Ale]

Lots of cropland totally destroyed (level 0), main buildings and marketplaces destroyed, city walls destroyed, other buildings and resource tiles destroyed...

Things aren't looking good. The only place that's safe is my capital.

I sent a IGM to one of the CWM members attacking me, I'll see what he says. Hopefully he can be reasoned with...

[Ginger_Ale]

He wrote:

Hey man,

Nothin` personal or anything.. and u make this harder than it has to be..

The region it very poor farmwise so we re seeking new farms. Sry to say but we had u in our scope for some time now..

Tha attacks aren`t ment to destroy u or anything.. Just to cripple u`re army and defence capabilities so that we can use our farm. As u saw i never touched u`re small villages. Only interested in the profitable ones..

See u on the battlefield. It is an honor to fight such a respectable player.

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Great, they now see me as a potential farm, something I don't want to happen. I replied back, saying I would quit the game if they intend to farm me:

I can tell you have had me in your scope as you had been scouting my capital a bit lately.

CWM is only interested in my profitable ones, not my small ones? Well, you guys have already attacked all 4 of my villages, including my 26 pop village! You really think that one is already profitable?!

If I am going to be farmed by members of CWM with 1200 spears, I mightaswell quit. You aren't meant to destroy me, but you remove my army, reduce my cities, and destroy my buildings. From my point of view, why would I continue playing? Just so you guys can get more resources? Why would I want to be a farm?

There is no "fight". I can't compete against three people with more population than me. I have no defense. I have no resources. I have no barracks.

What that means? I have no will to continue playing. After all, why should I?
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Sorry guys, but if CWM begins to farm me, I'm just going to delete my account. I'd rather be gone than be someone's farm.

[Kingreno]

lets fix this.

we can send reinfs to make cwm regret this.

[Kingreno]

quote:Originally posted by Ginger_Ale

Lots of cropland totally destroyed (level 0), main buildings and marketplaces destroyed, city walls destroyed, other buildings and resource tiles destroyed...

Things aren't looking good. The only place that's safe is my capital.

I sent a IGM to one of the CWM members attacking me, I'll see what he says. Hopefully he can be reasoned with...


I am amazed they send out cata's for resources fileds. The last thing you want with a farm is decrease the production.

Check server 2 messages.[charge]

[socralynnek]

some troops and some crop sent...they'll arrive shortly after 12 server time!

[Tubby Rower]

I sent my troops a little while ago. it'll take them 20 hours to get there from when I sent them and that should be noon CET +0 tomorrow

[Melifluous]

I sent my troops too, not much I'm afraid, but all to your capital. Will arrive dead on 12.00 according to my server. I trust you are building your walls high.

[meli]

[Rik Meleet]

Please just state how many hours are left. I am no good with "servertime".

[Tubby Rower]

~17.5 hours from now

[Rik Meleet]

Ah ok - so Noon CET. = 11:00 (am) GMT.

[Togidubnus]

I am afraid I may have upset someone..... Pekepe70 started raiding my oasis so the following exchange took place:

Me: hello loser. still waiting for the resources you owe me.

Pekepe70: This is teh sitter of this account speaking now.

I was not here when this dialog started, but this CWM player is going to pay nothing to anyone.

You should be carefullwith your mouth for two reasons:

1) loser is badly written. It's looser and that is what you are when you call that to another players.
2) You should not tell that to anyone that can destroy you.
3) I don't like your language (but this is me speaking not the account owner)
4) I take full responsability for not paying anything to you even if you have the reason on your side, so please attack me if you want. If you touch this player then I will take care of your language.

Written by ipgrms CWM player.

I replied: Presumably English isn't your first language, dear boy. "Looser" is someone who "looses"... "loser" is someone who "loses". Never mind.

soooooooooooooooo.. maybe all those reinforcements will finally get a workout!

[Ginger_Ale]

I need more iron, so if you guys could spare some, that'd be nice. Thanks! I currently have 200 praetorians in production...

[Togidubnus]

a mere 500 on its way... sorry I cannot offer more at the moment!

[Rik Meleet]

I'll send about 1000 units.
I've withdrawn units I had stationed in "My Hell" and "Milfhoven".

Ginger: how much room for crop have you got? I'd hate to send you 5000 crop while your granary can't store it.

[Ginger_Ale]

I have 3000 crop per hour, and granary is 37900 (it's near capacity). Crop isn't an issue...

[Ginger_Ale]

Ok, now that's ~2100 crop per hour, because catapults attacked my crop fields...I still have decent amounts of crop though.

This is really getting to be a bore, there's no way we can stop CWM's attacks with 300+ cavalry, 400+ infantry... if the reinforcements don't work, I'll ask for mercy from my CWM attackers, but if nothing works, I'll just have to start thinking about quitting. Right now my cities are turning to rubble via catapults.

[Kingreno]

check what a few phalanx did to 200 IE, this is going to be very unbeneficial for cwm soon. I can build a lvl 17 phalanx every 5 minutes. That is an easy 576 per day. Add roughly 50 druids lvl 16 armor. That's just the capitol btw. If you keep building the wall, and crop, we will prevail.

[Rik Meleet]

They got hit even before my 1000 units arrived in Aletia. If they try again with even greater force they'll be toast. :)

[Ginger_Ale]

Aletia has around -1800 crop per hour (with a cropland level 12 in the making though). Crop isn't an issue yet, as I have 20000, but it may become one. Hopefully CWM just gets tired of losing units...

[Ginger_Ale]

2 attacks incoming in about 3.5 hours. This is good...last time he thought there were only about 150 reinforcements. :D

I even wrote him an IGM after he said "nice job getting reinforcements" (not sarcastic btw), saying "is it worth it now?". Hopefully he'll abandon hope...

[Rik Meleet]

How many troops (how much of what type) will be in your city by the time the attack comes ?
I also send 3500 crop, due in 2 1/2 hours.

[Ginger_Ale]

3 Heroes
148 Teuton Knights
619 Praetorians
500 Spearfighters
508 Phalanxes
250 Druidriders
400 Legionnaires
100 Imperians
50 Equites Imperatoris
135 Haeduans
20 Scouts
150 Paladins

I also have 110 praetorians in production (1 every 6 minutes, so about 25 by the time he will come).

[Ginger_Ale]

Almost 500 imperians died and 25 catapults, and we only lost very few casualties! Thanks again!

[Rik Meleet]

Cool. We have about 200 casualties in total. Still a good trade-off.
You can keep my armies for a bit longer, if required - but if you don't need them, please send them back.

[Tubby Rower]

I agree with Rik, you you feel you still need them, keep them. If you feel you are no longer under attack, send them back so I can use them for what they are made for [devil]

[Ginger_Ale]

I will wait a bit to see if CWM tries any more gang-attacks, if not, I'll send them back.

[Ginger_Ale]

Good news!

Codin wrote:
Hehe..

Ok dude.. wut s fair is fair.

It`ll be peace between us..
____________
Ginger_Ale wrote:

Care to just establish a truce now...?

I think it's not in any of our best interests to continue to attack.


Thank you for all your help! Now it's just time to rebuild...I'll keep the troops just a few hours longer just in case. Thanks again!

[Kingreno]

-Send back fast and slow troops seperately.
-Send back only when no attacks are registered.
-Send back to those close by first, these can be sent back the easiest!
-If your crop is ok, please leave the troops if the owner does not need them. CWM is not backing off easily I predict.

To All. Be aware of counterattacks, also fake ones. Check the village of origin. If it has a low pop, do not panic and do NOT get all troops back from Ginger. That is what they want.
Also, check for speed. Cata's are the only troops that do 3 fields an hour, if the troop is probably faster (though no 100% certainty can ever be given when just looking at arrival time) then having no troops and no resources in your village is better then defending with a low number of units.

Thumbs up CDZ!

[Catalin]

wow! great work people :)
i miss a lot of fun these days, is it? :)

sorry for being inactive these days... RL is becoming important... i have a lot of work to do; BWT, if someone wants to be my sitter, is welcome... my city could also be useful for the alliance, even if it's small, just send me an IGM.

Congratulations for defending Ginger Ale, so it turns out we can defend across long distances!!! That's great news! :)

on the other hand... just an advice, try not to send provocative messages; calling an enemy "loser" is a taunt, it's provocative, you really don't want to act provocative in these times...

[Rik Meleet]

If someone needs defensive foot-units; just PM me the number needed and the city you want them send to. I am building them frantically and I don't think I'm in danger myself of being attacked.

[tofra]

I've also over 1500+ spearfighters.. just let me know (PM me!!) how many and to which city I should send them.. I'm continuously building spearfighters..

[Rik Meleet]

Togidubnus has been under attack. Can we help him ?

[Togidubnus]

sorry - I have been away for a day and look what happened! Frankly, I am too busy to really be able to set about building things up again, so I am deleting my account - raid me while you can!
It has been great, and I have thoroughly enjoyed being in the CDZ crew.

[Rik Meleet]

It seems CWM is going all out against us.

[Rik Meleet]

WxW attacks Deanatwar CWM - CDZ 05.02.07 21:07
Rokerda attacks MayI CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 21:01
yahworld attacks Swingue2 CWM° - CDZ 05.02.07 20:22
Rokerda attacks Lichtning CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 20:15
Rokerda attacks Lichtning CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 19:57
PirateCEO attacks Ginger_Ale CWM° - CDZ 05.02.07 19:55
Rokerda attacks Lichtning CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 19:41
Rokerda attacks MayI CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 19:30
Rokerda attacks Lichtning CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 19:05
Fortas attacks you20092 CT - CDZ 05.02.07 18:15
SuperFrodo attacks Nature CDZ - 05.02.07 17:54
Rokerda attacks Lichtning CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 17:54
Rokerda attacks Lichtning CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 17:53
SuperFrodo attacks Nature CDZ - 05.02.07 17:44
Rokerda attacks MayI CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 17:44
Rokerda attacks Lichtning CWM¹ - CDZ 05.02.07 17:42

[Rik Meleet]

It seems CWM is going all out against us.

[Ginger_Ale]

Yeah, I've noticed that the last few days.

My attacks aren't serious, I can cover them with 1 cranny.

[socralynnek]

I am getting attacked by someone from the CT alliance.
They are allied with some Hellas alliance which have some cities close to mine.

I hope I can defend myself. I am probably too far away from the rest for someone to help me. (the attack is in 2 hours)

[Rik Meleet]

Again: I have a large stack of Praetorians and legionairs - just PM me if you want some.