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Shabbaman
05-10-2006, 08:46
And we just start with the same kind of crap results as last season. Clearly, we get another season of 7 Colly's team riders in the top 10. If anyone defines that as fun, let me know and I could try to appreciate this.

So what happened? The first group got a lead of 13 minutes, which is quite a lot. Since I gave orders to control from 110 km to the finish, I'd say the attack has to be before that. Somehow I doubt that. I tried a pretty early late escape (sounds weird) myself, at 30 kilometers or something. At least you'd expect a pursuit group.
It'd be interesting to hear what Aggie did, he has 3 riders in the first group as well.

Oh, sprinting still is crap.

I think I'll log in again after the 11th of november, when the new season starts and the new engine is hopefully finally finished.

Aggie
05-10-2006, 09:33
I set my strategy to final sprint and appointent a crap rider as leader. The three captains ended in the first group.

I have decided to be patient and I will await season 3, which really should be the one with a proper engine.

PS my now 10 wheel sprint rider ended last in the final sprint!!!!!!

Kingreno
05-10-2006, 12:55
My 8 wheel climber got very close again in winning the mass sprint though! Of course his zero wheels in sprint help a lot there...

Shabbaman
05-10-2006, 14:06
Wait.

You set your strategy to final sprint and your guys escape? The only explanation I could come up with is that you've set your team to control the race very early. Am I right?

Perhaps we should just all set the same tactic next time.

Socrates
05-10-2006, 14:34
I set my best sprinter as team leader, and chose the sprint strat. He ended very close to the last place, not in the first group, while my 3 captains (also good sprinters) ended in the first group. [crazyeye]

And if anyone can answer some questions in the thread I started, that'd be very cool, as I feel a bit lost in this game, ie. I'm not sure of what I'm doing.

Aggie
05-10-2006, 15:12
None of us knows what they are doing. The engine needs tweaking...

Aggie
05-10-2006, 15:14
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

Wait.

You set your strategy to final sprint and your guys escape? The only explanation I could come up with is that you've set your team to control the race very early. Am I right?

Perhaps we should just all set the same tactic next time.


I believe that I wanted to control the race from 50 k of the finish. Not sure of that though.

Shabbaman
05-10-2006, 15:23
Then it really doesn't make sense at all.

Tubby Rower
05-10-2006, 15:57
That's the main reason why I haven't logged on in quite a while.

Robboo
05-10-2006, 17:29
Well I am doign good...

here is my tactics...late escape. I find a killer climb at the end, guess halfway point of climb and thats where i put to start the thats teh middle value for the three input boxes. The early box(setup i think) is 5 or less KM before that mid point adn teh bottom box is 5 or less KM more from the mid point. I find if you make teh effort to control and launch the attack narrow you end up with a tighter grouping in your team. The bigger the hill the better result and I havent figured out how to win or place in the top riders with a sprint stage.

I am only traininng my guys in late escape and i am building a young team for the future so my oldies will be for sale soon.

Socrates
08-10-2006, 03:58
I performed really well today, placing all my 10 riders in the first 28 places. [thumbsup] The thing is, that 28th place (my 10th) is my leader, which is my best climber, I believe, and the stage had a climbing finish on top of the Kilimandjaro (well, not at the very top ;) ). He is the first rider of the second group. In the meantime, my captains enjoy their good places at the front. Really weird. [hmm] Same as last Wednesday.

Aggie
08-10-2006, 12:32
Krys, what you are stating has been said a thousand times before. The game engine sucks and one of the main issues is that the leader doesn't end up ahead. We can only hope for improvement soon, else this game has no future.

The results of the 2nd pro-tour result are a copy of the 1st.... I again had the tactic to have a final sprint, controlling the race from the first kilometer.

Shabbaman
08-10-2006, 14:23
Oh, I haven't watched yet, but I take your word for it. We really should try to set exactly the same tactic sometimes.

Aggie
09-10-2006, 16:07
My tactic for next Wednesday will be an experiment from my side. I will appoint no leaders and captains and set my team to control the race for a mass sprint from the start.

Shabbaman
12-10-2006, 09:09
Wow... 0 points. The most remarkable thing of the race: highest placed colly's team rider on place 14. So we're doing something good.
I set my team orders to final sprint as well. Didn't have a lot of success, but then again, no colly's team, hurray... My highest ranked rider is on place 53: 6 wheels sprint, 4 wheels steer and 3 experience. Nice to know that there are 52 better sprinters in the peleton [rolleyes]

P.S. It's a good thing that propain is MIA, otherwise I'd be yelling at him now [ninja]

Kingreno
12-10-2006, 10:12
LOL. I flipped over my team and made all climbers domestique. They made up 6 out of 20 places in mass sprint.

Shabbaman
12-10-2006, 10:23
WTF...

Aggie
12-10-2006, 14:46
My tactic obviously didn't work. I'm still puzzled how colly could score this high in previous races.

Shabbaman
13-10-2006, 10:32
quote:Originally posted by Aggie

The three captains ended in the first group.



Out of curiosity, could you post the stats of those riders?

Aggie
13-10-2006, 10:50
Erdelyi: 7 climb, 5 time, 4 bad road, 1 sprint, 4 descend, 3 experience, 4 steer, 2 echelon
Lumet: 7 climb, 3 time, 4 bad road, 0 sprint, 4 descend, 5 experience, 4 steer, 3 echelon
Hoff Weekes: 3 climb, 3 time, 2 bad road, 10 sprint, 4 descend, 3 experience, 4 steer, 2 echelon

As you can see it is quite logical that my 0 star sprinter Lumet finishes before my 10 star sprinter Hoff Weekes :)

Shabbaman
13-10-2006, 11:08
OK.

My bet: your top sprinter has high echelon.

Shabbaman
18-10-2006, 22:58
Wow. 0 points again. I'm quitting.

Socrates
18-10-2006, 23:53
Forgot to set up tonight's race. [mischief]

ProPain
19-10-2006, 00:22
Like I said before:

- all rounders are favoured over specialist by the current engine.
- we're working on this but it's complex and I'm not giving an estimate on 'fixed date' Untill that we're not changing the online engine as it can only lead to unexpected site crashes.

I can imagine this takes the fun out of playing for you guys but nothing much more we can do. I'll be posting when things are fixed.

Shabbaman
19-10-2006, 09:21
My team is full of allrounders. The only thing my late escape riders lack is sprinting. It's the same tactic I used to dominate the first half of last season, and the two seasons before that. It looks as if it doesn't work at all, as if the team doesn't have orders. I really don't care about winning, but this difference between seasons is inconsistent.

What pisses me off most is that Aggie gets three riders in an escape group when he sets his team orders to final sprint.

Aggie
19-10-2006, 14:11
I had set up things like this:
- go for final sprint (edit: I ordered late escape...)
- control the race from the first km
- make the best echelon riders the captains (thanks to Shabba)
- choose a low level rider as leader

I guess my riders jumped with every chase group from the start and finally a few of them got away and ended in front. I have the biggest issues with the fact that my all-round and also 10 wheel sprinter makes nothing in the race.

I will show patience until the start of next season but will not continue if things stay the way they are now.

Shabbaman
19-10-2006, 14:27
quote:Originally posted by Aggie

II guess my riders jumped with every chase group from the start and finally a few of them got away and ended in front.

That makes sense, but it doesn't explain that when I try to control the race and try to escape, no one escapes. Perhaps the final sprint control script works "better".

ProPain
19-10-2006, 14:36
quote:Originally posted by Shabbaman

My team is full of allrounders. The only thing my late escape riders lack is sprinting. It's the same tactic I used to dominate the first half of last season, and the two seasons before that. It looks as if it doesn't work at all, as if the team doesn't have orders. I really don't care about winning, but this difference between seasons is inconsistent.

What pisses me off most is that Aggie gets three riders in an escape group when he sets his team orders to final sprint.


That's weird because the behavioural scripts havent changed over the season change. I'll ask Daniel to check the line up files.

Last week we changed the engine to get better results, we're now testing this. Should the change work we can move on the behavioural scripts, should the change not work we have a plan B but that will be more time intensive. Most problems appear to be caused by the engine not using the rider traits as we intended. This in turn makes the behavioural scripts unpredicatable. Once the trait handling is solved we're a big step ahead. Believe me, I'm as frustrated as you guys maybe even more. :)

PP

Shabbaman
02-11-2006, 09:15
Bizarre. Previous race I finally got some decent points. Makes some sense, as it was a mountain stage (that didn't finish in a mass sprint with everyone 1 second behind each other: nooo, there was a gap of 8 seconds between the first 40 or so and the rest of the field [rolleyes]) and I got decent climbers. So I fielded the same riders, and ended up with 0 points. Well, at least now I know for sure that I will relegate.

Nice one.

Socrates
02-11-2006, 14:50
I figured out a good strat for this season, and am curently getting very good results with it every race. :) But it seems we're only 3 players to be really involved in the game, and I'm having a hard time chasing the leader (I'm a solid 2nd).

Robboo
02-11-2006, 18:58
I am building up by training...barely attempting to win just try differnt combo of tactics.

Socrates
09-11-2006, 02:12
[lol] [lol] [lol]

Tonight I got 9 of my riders finishing at the 9 first places. [thumbsup] The remaining one finished... 149th on 150, along with a rider from my direct opponent, and both are the only ones not finishing in the peloton's massive sprint, but 25 seconds behind. Guess what, my last rider was tonight's leader. [mischief]

Anyway, I eventually reached the 1st place, and got me a 200ish-point lead before the last race of the season. I should be able to promote to [insert continent here] Tour, while still not knowing how to train, scout and stuff.

Socrates
12-11-2006, 01:47
With only a 2nd place tonight to be happy with, I end up as the best team of the division Africa 1.2 by far (270 points). So I should promote, right ?

Anyway, I'm eager to start next season with the new engine (hopefully), and I hope I'll get to know how to use the features I've ignored so far.